It was great, accept it is over America

[mrswdk]

According to our recent changes in the constitution marriage is community of man and woman, so technically you are not allowed to be gay

That doesn't mean that being gay is illegal, just that gays can't marry.

[shickingbrits]

Whew, so glad that you linked me to a site called 911myths. I was worried that the CIA was trying to hide $240bn in ten year securities due September 12, 2001 used in Project Hammer to buy up Russia's infrastructure during its collapse.

I thought that Richard Grove, the only surviving employees of Marsh & McClennan who had brought up discrepancies in software developed for them by SilverStream which could be used to hide the clearing of those securities might have been on to something (6 other employees at MM had serious problems related to the software and billing for it, but died with all their evidence the morning of 9-11 while attending a meeting to clear the air with an executive who attended via phone). The software linked MM with AIG and allowed them to conduct untraceable, high speed transactions (evidence of which took place as the attack was underway).

Of course, I speculated that the ONI which had been moved to the E-wing of Wedge 1 of the Pentagon, and were investigating the plundering of Russia, might have been specifically targeted. One of the team of 40 survived but none of the records did, so I guess that proves nothing. That the Pentagon's accounting office who were investigating the untracked (see I didn't say missing just for you) $2.3 trillion was also located here.

Good thing we had back-up records. Three private firms which managed most of the government securities, Garban, Cantor Fitzgerald and Euro-Broker's could shed some light on the situation. Too bad they accounted for 41% of the deaths in the WTCs and are unavailable for questioning. While CF and EB were struck by the planes, Garban located 50 floors below the impact zone miraculously experienced a secondary explosion and all records were destroyed.

But that is fine, we still have the El Dorado Task Force located in WTC6 which investigates interdepartmental money laundering. Unfortunately, their offices and records blew up in a secondary explosions prior to the collapses of the WTCs 1 and 2. The vaults holding US Customs treasures were fortunately empty as were the vaults holding the gold belonging to the NY Fed.

But the SEC still had to clear the securities under existing regulation. One regulation, an emergency clearing measure which had never been used and allowed for the bypassing of regulatory checks, was invoked and the securities cleared.

I'll stop here, for the moment. Here are some names that I'm sure you will check.

Kurt Sonnenfeld, worked for FEMA and took pictures of the empty Custom vaults.
Richard Grove, only surviving member of MM who questioned the software purchase from SilverStream.
AIG and the CIA,
Project Hammer,
Looting of Russia,
ONI,
El Dorado Task Force,
SilverStream,
NY FED gold,
M&M.

No doubt you will research this diligently and come back with informative debate. If you can't or won't debate informatively, then I recommend you read CIA document 1035-960 which will tell you how to debate "conspiracy theorists".

Mind you, I have just begun, so you may want to avoid further discussion.

[BoganGod]

So yes, all Macedonians are gay.

We are gay free nation... and it will stay that way

I know English isn't your 1st language, but by this, do you mean that Macedonia is freely gay, or free of gays? Because if you're claiming number 2, I'm calling BS on that. If it's number 2, than it just means you are embracing your cultural history.

I want some of what your smoking kiddo. Could I be correct in thinking the last sentence was meant to reference number 1 not number 2.......

@bbs - good to see you pedantically championing political correctness. Yes I agree that the word some is important.... However when it is blatantly obvious that a fellow user is making sweeping generalisations is there really a need to call them a bigot? A more sceptical reader might suspect you are being deliberately inflammatory.

[BigBallinStalin]

Whew, so glad that you linked me to a site called 911myths. I was worried that the CIA was trying to hide $240bn in ten year securities due September 12, 2001 used in Project Hammer to buy up Russia's infrastructure during its collapse.

I thought that Richard Grove, the only surviving employees of Marsh & McClennan who had brought up discrepancies in software developed for them by SilverStream which could be used to hide the clearing of those securities might have been on to something (6 other employees at MM had serious problems related to the software and billing for it, but died with all their evidence the morning of 9-11 while attending a meeting to clear the air with an executive who attended via phone). The software linked MM with AIG and allowed them to conduct untraceable, high speed transactions (evidence of which took place as the attack was underway).

Of course, I speculated that the ONI which had been moved to the E-wing of Wedge 1 of the Pentagon, and were investigating the plundering of Russia, might have been specifically targeted. One of the team of 40 survived but none of the records did, so I guess that proves nothing. That the Pentagon's accounting office who were investigating the untracked (see I didn't say missing just for you) $2.3 trillion was also located here.

Good thing we had back-up records. Three private firms which managed most of the government securities, Garban, Cantor Fitzgerald and Euro-Broker's could shed some light on the situation. Too bad they accounted for 41% of the deaths in the WTCs and are unavailable for questioning. While CF and EB were struck by the planes, Garban located 50 floors below the impact zone miraculously experienced a secondary explosion and all records were destroyed.

But that is fine, we still have the El Dorado Task Force located in WTC6 which investigates interdepartmental money laundering. Unfortunately, their offices and records blew up in a secondary explosions prior to the collapses of the WTCs 1 and 2. The vaults holding US Customs treasures were fortunately empty as were the vaults holding the gold belonging to the NY Fed.

But the SEC still had to clear the securities under existing regulation. One regulation, an emergency clearing measure which had never been used and allowed for the bypassing of regulatory checks, was invoked and the securities cleared.

I'll stop here, for the moment. Here are some names that I'm sure you will check.

Kurt Sonnenfeld, worked for FEMA and took pictures of the empty Custom vaults.
Richard Grove, only surviving member of MM who questioned the software purchase from SilverStream.
AIG and the CIA,
Project Hammer,
Looting of Russia,
ONI,
El Dorado Task Force,
SilverStream,
NY FED gold,
M&M.

No doubt you will research this diligently and come back with informative debate. If you can't or won't debate informatively, then I recommend you read CIA document 1035-960 which will tell you how to debate "conspiracy theorists".

Mind you, I have just begun, so you may want to avoid further discussion.

Oh, great. You wanna post sources and then read 911myths to make sure you're correct?

I've already corrected your previous mistakes doing the same thing, but apparently that's hardly phased you, so what does that indicate about yourself?

[BigBallinStalin]

So yes, all Macedonians are gay.

We are gay free nation... and it will stay that way

I know English isn't your 1st language, but by this, do you mean that Macedonia is freely gay, or free of gays? Because if you're claiming number 2, I'm calling BS on that. If it's number 2, than it just means you are embracing your cultural history.

I want some of what your smoking kiddo. Could I be correct in thinking the last sentence was meant to reference number 1 not number 2.......

@bbs - good to see you pedantically championing political correctness. Yes I agree that the word some is important.... However when it is blatantly obvious that a fellow user is making sweeping generalisations is there really a need to call them a bigot? A more sceptical reader might suspect you are being deliberately inflammatory.

Let's not have hate in our hearts against groups that people generally don't like. It's easier to say and believe bigoted comments when no one calls you out on it. Forcing yourself to be more accurate reduces such chances of remaining bigoted.

Besides, some people have odd definitions of groups like Dukasaur's "the Arabs," which doesn't mean "Arabs" but instead means "autocrats and members of terrorist organizations who happen to be Arabic." I'd have never discovered that had I not called out Dukasaur for saying bigoted comments.

[shickingbrits]

Sorry dude, didn't bother reading your 911myths. You did nothing to correct my previous "mistakes", you merely said 2/3 has been accounted for. I have shown how 1/10 could have been accounted for, they slipped it back in during a time of induced chaos.

If 10% of the "untracked" money was used for plundering Russia and 9/11 effectively shut down the investigation, what was the other 90% being used for? Of course I have no proof that the 10% was part of the $2.3 trillion mentioned. In fact, it most likely wasn't as the $2.3 trillion was described as having gone missing in a single year.

What it should show is massive motive. What does you purporting to have shown my mistakes when you in fact showed nothing say about you? What does your willingness to ignore substantial data regarding the money say about your intents?

[BoganGod]

So yes, all Macedonians are gay.

We are gay free nation... and it will stay that way

I know English isn't your 1st language, but by this, do you mean that Macedonia is freely gay, or free of gays? Because if you're claiming number 2, I'm calling BS on that. If it's number 2, than it just means you are embracing your cultural history.

I want some of what your smoking kiddo. Could I be correct in thinking the last sentence was meant to reference number 1 not number 2.......

@bbs - good to see you pedantically championing political correctness. Yes I agree that the word some is important.... However when it is blatantly obvious that a fellow user is making sweeping generalisations is there really a need to call them a bigot? A more sceptical reader might suspect you are being deliberately inflammatory.

Let's not have hate in our hearts against groups that people generally don't like. It's easier to say and believe bigoted comments when no one calls you out on it. Forcing yourself to be more accurate reduces such chances of remaining bigoted.

Besides, some people have odd definitions of groups like Dukasaur's "the Arabs," which doesn't mean "Arabs" but instead means "autocrats and members of terrorist organizations who happen to be Arabic." I'd have never discovered that had I not called out Dukasaur for saying bigoted comments.

A hard on for accuracy can get in the way of the story. Dukasaur and geography....... shakes head. My dear bbs, like mccathy with reds under the bed, you sir have bigots on the brain. If labelling people bigots helps you sleep better, then have it. Just be aware that you generalising most people as bigots, could well make you a bigot.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sorry dude, didn't bother reading your 911myths. You did nothing to correct my previous "mistakes", you merely said 2/3 has been accounted for. I have shown how 1/10 could have been accounted for, they slipped it back in during a time of induced chaos.

If 10% of the "untracked" money was used for plundering Russia and 9/11 effectively shut down the investigation, what was the other 90% being used for? Of course I have no proof that the 10% was part of the $2.3 trillion mentioned. In fact, it most likely wasn't as the $2.3 trillion was described as having gone missing in a single year.

What it should show is massive motive. What does you purporting to have shown my mistakes when you in fact showed nothing say about you? What does your willingness to ignore substantial data regarding the money say about your intents?

So, if you are (1) unwilling to read other people's arguments, (2) refuse to admit to your historic mistakes (which you've conveniently forgotten), and (3) have your belief perseverance kick in whenever countered, what's the chance of having a reasonable debate with you? Presumably, it's going to be extremely low, which is unfortunate.


Your performance in the Chinese democracy thread signaled terrible flaws in your reasoning, so should people expect you to process information for other topics any better? For all we know, you could be knowledgeable on 9-11, but you also exhibit little control over your cognitive biases.

[BigBallinStalin]

A hard on for accuracy can get in the way of the story. Dukasaur and geography....... shakes head. My dear bbs, like mccathy with reds under the bed, you sir have bigots on the brain. If labelling people bigots helps you sleep better, then have it. Just be aware that you generalising most people as bigots, could well make you a bigot.

I've just checked under my bed and have found zero bigots underneath. Thanks for your concern!

Also, just be aware that generalizing people who generalize most people as bigots could well make one a bigot!--no, they'd be a meta-bigot!

[Gillipig]

My bad.

Rockefeller set up the University of Chicago as a tool. Created Friedman economics as a function. You are just a brainwashee who wants to infect others.

You imposed negative characteristics on an entire group of people without providing any good reasons to do so. It's bigoted (and dumb). E.g. based on the earth-shattering evidence of your recent post, let's apply your similar reasoning: "white rich people are evil because they're brainwashing and infecting people with economics." Does that sound like an insightful statement?

I have given exceptionally good reasons for placing negative characteristics on an entire group. They embezzled trillions of taxpayers dollars and then blew up some buildings to hide the evidence and get more money.

I understand you may think one post is not connected with the last, but this is called a thread.

lol, so were all the rich people in on the "trillion dollar embezzlement and blow up some buildings (WTC?)" scheme?

Which statement seems more likely to be correct:

1. CC users are bigoted idiots.
2. Some CC users are bigoted idiots.

If I hadn't been on this site for so long I would've gone with #2, but since I have been here a long while.......well let's just say #1 is accurate enough for all intents and purposes.

Oh and are you really trying to stand up for rich people? Yeez, they're rich BBS, they don't need a poor bloke like yourself sticking up for them.

Are ya saying bigoted comments are okay as long as you also don't like the targeted group?

Of course, would you really mind if I grouped all serial killers into a negativ label that didn't fit them all? If I call serial killers "psychopaths" for example, will you argue with me for having the temerity to mislabel them like that? Will you feel all emotional inside when you hear me refer to them in this manner that doesn't fit them all? I'm more inclined to think you would not care enough to correct me on that, and if you would correct me your intentions would more likely be to annoy me, rather than to stick up for the serial killers.

[shickingbrits]

What "mistakes"?

I said that more than $2 trillion was embezzled through 9-11.

When someone says, $2 trillion was embezzled, you don't reply, but 2/3 is back in the coffers and that is the end of it. That 2/3s of the $2 trillion is back in the coffers doesn't mean it wasn't embezzled. You don't say, it was "untracked" therefore it wasn't missing. What you do is find, if possible, where it went, how it was used, by who, how it was returned.

It shows your state of mind that you would take the return of 2/3s of the embezzled funds to mean they weren't embezzled and you expect others to do the same.

Telling me or anyone that 2/3s was returned is not an acceptable answer. What is acceptable is investigating it. So how was it investigated. Thanks to your useful link, we can see that in 2000 it was already realized that the funds were "untracked". So what was done?

An investigation was launched by the Pentagon's auditor located in Wedge 1. In May 2001 a new comptroller, Dov Zakheim, was brought in. Interesting guy. His companies were involved in FTS, Flight Termination Systems. An FTS looks like a missile on the undercarriage of a plane, exactly as seen on the planes that hit the WTCs and allows for remote control. Intriguingly, SPC had just had a Pentagon contract for 32 767s, the same planes that were crashed into the trade centers. In 2004, after failing to explain the missing 2.3 trillion and overseeing the disappearance of another $1 trillion, he resigned.

So, while the Pentagon auditors investigation came to a rather sudden end, the guy in charge of the finances that had disappeared, were disappearing and continued to disappear happened to have the exact equipment that ended the investigation.

before I get too far along, let me remind you what 911myths, your chosen source of information proposes happened:

[BigBallinStalin]

Are ya saying bigoted comments are okay as long as you also don't like the targeted group?

Of course, would you really mind if I grouped all serial killers into a negativ label that didn't fit them all? If I call serial killers "psychopaths" for example, will you argue with me for having the temerity to mislabel them like that? Will you feel all emotional inside when you hear me refer to them in this manner that doesn't fit them all? I'm more inclined to think you would not care enough to correct me on that, and if you would correct me your intentions would more likely be to annoy me, rather than to stick up for the serial killers.

Well, exccuuuuuuse me! Lootifer and I have already differentiated between good bigotry and bad bigotry (boo ya!). Good bigotry rightfully applies to the serial killers, but does it apply to the always vaguely defined "rich people"?

In other words, why do you hate yourself--merely because you're richer than the average Zimbabwean? Come to the light, Gillipig.

[BigBallinStalin]

What "mistakes"?

I said that more than $2 trillion was embezzled through 9-11.

When someone says, $2 trillion was embezzled, you don't reply, but 2/3 is back in the coffers and that is the end of it. That 2/3s of the $2 trillion is back in the coffers doesn't mean it wasn't embezzled. You don't say, it was "untracked" therefore it wasn't missing. What you do is find, if possible, where it went, how it was used, by who, how it was returned.

It shows your state of mind that you would take the return of 2/3s of the embezzled funds to mean they weren't embezzled and you expect others to do the same.

Telling me or anyone that 2/3s was returned is not an acceptable answer. What is acceptable is investigating it. So how was it investigated. Thanks to your useful link, we can see that in 2000 it was already realized that the funds were "untracked". So what was done?

An investigation was launched by the Pentagon's auditor located in Wedge 1. In May 2001 a new comptroller, Dov Zakheim, was brought in. Interesting guy. His companies were involved in FTS, Flight Termination Systems. An FTS looks like a missile on the undercarriage of a plane, exactly as seen on the planes that hit the WTCs and allows for remote control. Intriguingly, SPC had just had a Pentagon contract for 32 767s, the same planes that were crashed into the trade centers. In 2004, after failing to explain the missing 2.3 trillion and overseeing the disappearance of another $1 trillion, he resigned.

So, while the Pentagon auditors investigation came to a rather sudden end, the guy in charge of the finances that had disappeared, were disappearing and continued to disappear happened to have the exact equipment that ended the investigation.

before I get too far along, let me remind you what 911myths, your chosen source of information proposes happened:

If you read the 911myths section about the $2.3 trillion issue, then you'd get a better glimpse of why much of your post is inaccurate. My repeating myself won't help, so it's up to you to control for your bias.

[shickingbrits]

Thanks. If I read your version of history and repeated it, you wouldn't have to tell me why I'm wrong. Since I choose other sources than the ones you've decided are correct, you don't have to examine why you aren't correct.

Ever consider that I have heard your version hundreds of times and in seeing it was incorrect, did further research? If such is the case, why have you been presented with the same info as me and found it correct? Your superior intellect? If you can't argue against the points that show your version is incorrect, while I can, what does that tell ya?

[BigBallinStalin]

Thanks. If I read your version of history and repeated it, you wouldn't have to tell me why I'm wrong. Since I choose other sources than the ones you've decided are correct, you don't have to examine why you aren't correct.

Ever consider that I have heard your version hundreds of times and in seeing it was incorrect, did further research? If such is the case, why have you been presented with the same info as me and found it correct? Your superior intellect? If you can't argue against the points that show your version is incorrect, while I can, what does that tell ya?

Yes, I'm sure you've addressed contrary claims to your position while controlling for your rampant cognitive bias. I know this because you claim that China was a democratic country, and it reverted to 5000-year autocracy which wasn't 5000 years old because Communism isn't that old in order to save itself from democracy which didn't exist because China was instead full of autocracies that were under the indeterminate influence of Western Powers which may or may not have forced China to invade Korea in the 1950s.

But rest assured, you'll continue feeling that you're correct while I'll opt for massive skepticism and further clarification.

[shickingbrits]

I could point out that personal attacks are a sign of weakness, your choice to ignore my points show signs of brainwashing, but you are obviously too weak to understand that.

[BoganGod]

A hard on for accuracy can get in the way of the story. Dukasaur and geography....... shakes head. My dear bbs, like mccathy with reds under the bed, you sir have bigots on the brain. If labelling people bigots helps you sleep better, then have it. Just be aware that you generalising most people as bigots, could well make you a bigot.

I've just checked under my bed and have found zero bigots underneath. Thanks for your concern!

Also, just be aware that generalizing people who generalize most people as bigots could well make one a bigot!--no, they'd be a meta-bigot!

Make that a meta-bigot arsehole. Would love to have MBA after my name....... May I advise you to check your closet for bigots. I would say I'm happy to share your closet, however that would just be creepy. Also would hate to evict AOG and Scotty who are rapidly running out of private spaces for special times.

@britickslitz - your weakness is evident by your perpacity in playing the player not the ball. For shame fellow, for shame

[Gillipig]

Are ya saying bigoted comments are okay as long as you also don't like the targeted group?

Of course, would you really mind if I grouped all serial killers into a negativ label that didn't fit them all? If I call serial killers "psychopaths" for example, will you argue with me for having the temerity to mislabel them like that? Will you feel all emotional inside when you hear me refer to them in this manner that doesn't fit them all? I'm more inclined to think you would not care enough to correct me on that, and if you would correct me your intentions would more likely be to annoy me, rather than to stick up for the serial killers.

Well, exccuuuuuuse me! Lootifer and I have already differentiated between good bigotry and bad bigotry (boo ya!). Good bigotry rightfully applies to the serial killers, but does it apply to the always vaguely defined "rich people"?

In other words, why do you hate yourself--merely because you're richer than the average Zimbabwean? Come to the light, Gillipig.

Haha, well whatever you and Lootifer decided was good bigotry it's entirely subjective by nature and thus isn't very difficult to ignore as a notion, I'm surprised you could even get your heads around such a loose and obviously flawed system of thought as defining good and bad bigotry. It seems to me any such definition would have to be based on personal preference, meaning they would not only vary greatly between person and person, but also between different times and places.
And also with that in mind, why did you ask me if I thought bigoted comments were okay as long as you don't like the group in question, when you are obviously okay with that yourself? You may be more picky with the groups you consider unwanted enough to not mind sticking up for, but that is not a difference in principal but rather a preference. I have different amounts of disdain for different groups, and so do you, even though you claim to have created a clear line seperating "the bad guys" from "the good guys", your mind doesn't care about that, and will on an emotional level treat different kinds of people in a variety of different ways, not easily categorized into the two groups you and Lootifer made up. My amount of disdain for let's say serial killers, is greatly larger than my amount of disdain for the very rich, nonetheless I have a negative view of them both and will not stick up against wrong sayings uttered against them. Why? Because that makes it seem like I'm on their side, and I'd rather avoid such misunderstandings, it is also likely the reason why you don't want to stand up for serial killers even when someone is saying something about them that isn't true. Now the real reason you stand up for the rich is probably because you do not even have a negative view of them, (correct me if I'm wrong on that), if you had I doubt you would've stayed true to your professed guideline of good bigotry and bad bigotry and duly corrected whoever uttered the untruth. Either way you would not be able to remain consistent to this philosophy due to your highly flawed human mind.

[shickingbrits]

Indeed Bogan, being frustrated by someone is the greatest weakness.

But you see, I believe that I'm trying to do BBS a service. Studies of susceptibility to hypnosis and other forms of mind control show that people with strong wills are not susceptible regardless of intelligence. Those with weak wills are susceptible to suggestions within the confines of their moral base. As BBS has no moral base and has shown his susceptibility, I've given him the benefit of the doubt that he is not so rigid as to not be susceptible to further suggestion and would fill the remaining space in his easily loaded mind with pertinent information.

Having informed him of this was counterproductive, but I have great faith in the weakness of his will.

[shickingbrits]

So far we have:

Missing trillions

The guy in charge of finding it's main job is getting government contracts and receives one at this time one for 32 planes. He makes another trillion disappear and for most of his life has been a military-industrial complex insider.

10% of the number was used to create the Russian Oligarchs by the CIA and some banking establishments.

Pentagon accountants saying they were funding empty enterprises, then being reassigned for saying it.

The investigators are killed with guided planes. The records destroyed. A CIA bank and Paul Bremmer's company acquire a software for clearing some of the missing trillions. A debunking site claims there is no need to investigate it.

I've posted the "official story". Can I move ahead with the real one yet?

[mrswdk]

Lootifer and I have already differentiated between good bigotry and bad bigotry

The good people of OT refuse to be subject to your value judgements. We choose freedom!

[BigBallinStalin]

I could point out that personal attacks are a sign of weakness, your choice to ignore my points show signs of brainwashing, but you are obviously too weak to understand that.

If you pointed that out, then would you sound any sillier? "I'll have you know that talking about my failure to overcome my cognitive bias is an ad hominem!"


Surely, a man of your scientific nature would welcome the possibility that "brainwashing" isn't the only possibility to explain my later reaction to your posts, right? Why else would I ignore your later points?

[BigBallinStalin]

A hard on for accuracy can get in the way of the story. Dukasaur and geography....... shakes head. My dear bbs, like mccathy with reds under the bed, you sir have bigots on the brain. If labelling people bigots helps you sleep better, then have it. Just be aware that you generalising most people as bigots, could well make you a bigot.

I've just checked under my bed and have found zero bigots underneath. Thanks for your concern!

Also, just be aware that generalizing people who generalize most people as bigots could well make one a bigot!--no, they'd be a meta-bigot!

Make that a meta-bigot arsehole. Would love to have MBA after my name....... May I advise you to check your closet for bigots. I would say I'm happy to share your closet, however that would just be creepy. Also would hate to evict AOG and Scotty who are rapidly running out of private spaces for special times.

@britickslitz - your weakness is evident by your perpacity in playing the player not the ball. For shame fellow, for shame

Your magnanimous attitude will surely grant you extra closet access in the afterlife--with no external costs visited upon current closet occupants. All of us are simply enthralled by your shining example.

[BigBallinStalin]

Are ya saying bigoted comments are okay as long as you also don't like the targeted group?

Of course, would you really mind if I grouped all serial killers into a negativ label that didn't fit them all? If I call serial killers "psychopaths" for example, will you argue with me for having the temerity to mislabel them like that? Will you feel all emotional inside when you hear me refer to them in this manner that doesn't fit them all? I'm more inclined to think you would not care enough to correct me on that, and if you would correct me your intentions would more likely be to annoy me, rather than to stick up for the serial killers.

Well, exccuuuuuuse me! Lootifer and I have already differentiated between good bigotry and bad bigotry (boo ya!). Good bigotry rightfully applies to the serial killers, but does it apply to the always vaguely defined "rich people"?

In other words, why do you hate yourself--merely because you're richer than the average Zimbabwean? Come to the light, Gillipig.

Haha, well whatever you and Lootifer decided was good bigotry it's entirely subjective by nature and thus isn't very difficult to ignore as a notion, I'm surprised you could even get your heads around such a loose and obviously flawed system of thought as defining good and bad bigotry. It seems to me any such definition would have to be based on personal preference, meaning they would not only vary greatly between person and person, but also between different times and places.
And also with that in mind, why did you ask me if I thought bigoted comments were okay as long as you don't like the group in question, when you are obviously okay with that yourself? You may be more picky with the groups you consider unwanted enough to not mind sticking up for, but that is not a difference in principal but rather a preference. I have different amounts of disdain for different groups, and so do you, even though you claim to have created a clear line seperating "the bad guys" from "the good guys", your mind doesn't care about that, and will on an emotional level treat different kinds of people in a variety of different ways, not easily categorized into the two groups you and Lootifer made up. My amount of disdain for let's say serial killers, is greatly larger than my amount of disdain for the very rich, nonetheless I have a negative view of them both and will not stick up against wrong sayings uttered against them. Why? Because that makes it seem like I'm on their side, and I'd rather avoid such misunderstandings, it is also likely the reason why you don't want to stand up for serial killers even when someone is saying something about them that isn't true. Now the real reason you stand up for the rich is probably because you do not even have a negative view of them, (correct me if I'm wrong on that), if you had I doubt you would've stayed true to your professed guideline of good bigotry and bad bigotry and duly corrected whoever uttered the untruth. Either way you would not be able to remain consistent to this philosophy due to your highly flawed human mind.

Ah, I see your "absolute subjectivity of no good reasons allowed" standard and raise you a "reasonable but not absolute subjectivity" standard, which is objective enough. If you disagree, please demonstrate with good reason that being bigoted against serial killers is not at all "good bigotry." If there's no good reason to call people (bad) bigots for being prejudiced against serial killers*, then the good-bad bigotry distinction holds. You are welcome to my relative objectivity camp.


*("Aw, c'mon. This serial killer, who is covered in blood and looks like he may kill me, is probably not like other serial killers. Instead of making a decision based on my prejudice against serial killers, I really think I should give this serial killer a chance!"

What!? NO! Exercise good bigotry and get the hell away from him!!--or her!!)

[BigBallinStalin]

Lootifer and I have already differentiated between good bigotry and bad bigotry

The good people of OT refuse to be subject to your value judgements. We choose freedom!

Nonsense! I've assigned myself as Official Value Judgement Judge of CC, which is a place a freedom; therefore, your choice for freedom has already been satisfied. Rejecting your OVJJ of CC is a rejection of freedom itself, you counter-revolutionary!