Atheistic morality

[chang50]

chang50, don't bother. I've patiently spent the past few pages trying to welcome shickforbrits into the army of clarity: science and logic. He can't even science, bro.

His muddled thinking is responsible for many of the problems in representative democratic governments: crony capitalism, government waste, excessive pollution, and stupid laws.

Coupled with a near total inability to comprehend opposing views and a victim/martyr complex..it's hard work.

[BoganGod]

chang50, don't bother. I've patiently spent the past few pages trying to welcome shickforbrits into the army of clarity: science and logic. He can't even science, bro.

His muddled thinking is responsible for many of the problems in representative democratic governments: crony capitalism, government waste, excessive pollution, and stupid laws.

BBS my dear sir, frankly I am disgusted at your lax approach towards scientific enquiry. Apply the evidence based scientific method and occams razor to the ramblings of brickedupslit. Even the most cursory glance would raise questions about the validity of attributing any type of thinking to brickedupslut.

[Metsfanmax]

chang50, don't bother. I've patiently spent the past few pages trying to welcome shickforbrits into the army of clarity: science and logic. He can't even science, bro.

His muddled thinking is responsible for many of the problems in representative democratic governments: crony capitalism, government waste, excessive pollution, and stupid laws.

BBS my dear sir, frankly I am disgusted at your lax approach towards scientific enquiry. Apply the evidence based scientific method and occams razor to the ramblings of brickedupslit. Even the most cursory glance would raise questions about the validity of attributing any type of thinking to brickedupslut.

bricksforbrains is not worth trying to understand, it's more like a random process than something we can understand using deterministic scientific theories.

[shickingbrits]

But of course it isn't an absence in belief.

When presented with the idea that the basic ingredients of the universe inherently had the recipe for life, you are suggesting a belief, the belief that the Big Bang was random. This is of course not the only conceivable position to take, but it is the one you have taken, the belief you hold.

While you may not personally take this to its logical conclusions it doesn't mean that others don't. When others do take it to their logical conclusions, you can't even say they are wrong. Your conclusions allow for the conclusions of others who do take this to the extreme.

I believe that the Big Bang was God and it was a recipe that those ingredients were following. From this, I can then say that life is the combination of those ingredients in action. Such a combination of ingredients lead to Buddha, Jesus, and other prophets. I can then say the one whose conclusions create the best result for people is the best guide in this swirling mass.

Jesus, not the Pope, not Paul, not Peter, not Bogangod's cult leader, but Jesus.

I can use the guidance that Jesus provided to assess my moral position. I can use Christ's guidance to assess the morality of the Church. By what standard can you judge the Church? By what standard can you judge your moral position?

Your standard is not unbiased, it was bias that lead to it. You actively chose life to be random. And from this bias you have reached your beliefs. That your beliefs have no standard and they encompass all the evil ever done bothers you not a whim, because that the acts were evil can not be confirmed within your beliefs. The only evil which can be condemned is the unsuccessful attempts made by the weak against the strong. Those random inferior lives going against all that is required for survival, strength.

That you have failed to reach these conclusions suggests that you weren't seeking a better story than God, it suggests that your motive was merely to rebel against God at the first possible choice without much consideration.

I will assume this was a response to my post although why you cannot use quotes like everyone else.?..my counter response is brief.My atheism IS an absence of belief,who are you to say otherwise?And I don't accept your unfounded assertion that what you claim are the logical conclusions of atheism are what you say they are.Please refrain from telling me and countless millions of others what they believe and the consequences thereof when you know so very little about us.

You first.

[shickingbrits]

BBS, enjoy the fruits of your invisible hand.

Mets, why you selling your soul so cheaply?

Bogan you have an impressive ability to think yourself into a rut.

Kool-aid for all.

[BigBallinStalin]

chang50, don't bother. I've patiently spent the past few pages trying to welcome shickforbrits into the army of clarity: science and logic. He can't even science, bro.

His muddled thinking is responsible for many of the problems in representative democratic governments: crony capitalism, government waste, excessive pollution, and stupid laws.

BBS my dear sir, frankly I am disgusted at your lax approach towards scientific enquiry. Apply the evidence based scientific method and occams razor to the ramblings of brickedupslit. Even the most cursory glance would raise questions about the validity of attributing any type of thinking to brickedupslut.

I already have, my good man!

RE: brickbrain,

I strive to be scientifically minded with my judgments of people, and initially I thought you didn't want to examine your own beliefs, so I gave you a good trial-run. It's become apparent that you consistently adhere to a batshit crazy worldview, and you don't realize it because you refuse to think critically about it.

Now we can bask in the warmth of ignoring him for good reasons, but should we ridicule him? This is a normative issue, thus is beyond the boundary of science.

[shickingbrits]

Would you like a tall glass of water with that ridicule?

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, enjoy the fruits of your invisible hand.

Mets, why you selling your soul so cheaply?

Bogan you have an impressive ability to think yourself into a rut.

Kool-aid for all.

I already am! Today I bought a pack of cigarettes without experiencing long queues due to rampant shortages--as is prevalent in less economically free countries. Despite government intervention, high taxes, and the surplus of ignorant people like you, a long series of exchanges in the complex production process, which can stretch across the world, has resulted in the mutually beneficial trade between myself and the store owner. It only took me 5 minutes too! It's amazing!

I'm not sure you could provide kool-aid for all because we live in a world of scarcity. If you charge a zero price for it, there'll soon be a shortage since demand would outstrip supply. Some people won't get the quantity of kool-aid that they're willing to pay for! Others will get more than they otherwise would be willing to pay for! I can't believe you support such a loss in social welfare.

[oVo]

'Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air. Consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.' - Hitler

Discuss.

Fuck him, he was an immoral bitch.

[shickingbrits]

BBS, That's great, I'm sure my grandfather would be so jealous. He is forced to grow tobacco because he doesn't want to smoke the chemical additives and the freebase nicotine in store bought cigs.

Kool-aid for all.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets, why you selling your soul so cheaply?

I'm an atheist, I have no soul. So it was really a bargain.

[shickingbrits]

I wouldn't bet on it.

[Metsfanmax]

I wouldn't bet on it.

Neither would I, since it can't be proven or disproven. The bet would always remain unfulfilled. At least, until the bet no longer mattered.

[shickingbrits]

And with your scientific water, food and air it's eternity away.

[Metsfanmax]

And with your scientific water, food and air it's eternity away.

Even if not, what good would money do in heaven or hell?

[shickingbrits]

Suspect you would need to define "good in hell".

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, That's great, I'm sure my grandfather would be so jealous. He is forced to grow tobacco because he doesn't want to smoke the chemical additives and the freebase nicotine in store bought cigs.

Kool-aid for all.

And he was free to do so so long as property rights and the freedom to contract are upheld within market institutions. You should thank the markets--and the invisible hand which provided your grandfather with the means to grow his own tobacco.

Also, your grandpa's concern is similar to mine which is why American Spirits, organic, 100% additive free, have been provided on the market. I didn't even have to petition a politician to have this opportunity. The 'invisible hand' of the market granted me the ability to satisfy my wants.

[Metsfanmax]

Suspect you would need to define "good in hell".

Help me out here. You're the one that believes in that nonsense.

[shickingbrits]

I'll help you out.

But first, a question on morals.

You are at your cousin's house. They are giving their kid tap water all day everyday. What do you do?

[oVo]

You have a problem with water on tap?

[shickingbrits]

You don't have a problem with giving a baby fluoride?

[Metsfanmax]

I'll help you out.

But first, a question on morals.

You are at your cousin's house. They are giving their kid tap water all day everyday. What do you do?

I'd drink the tap water.

It's better than drinking the Kool-Aid.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'd go to the market and purchase my own water filter because it makes the water taste better. I wonder if shickbricks bought his cousin a water filter, or if berated his cousin for being a kool-aid drinker... The market enables charitable actions; poor thinking does not.

[shickingbrits]

Fair enough.

Money won't do much good in either, but the actions that you do to get it and the things you do with it can weigh on your soul.

I imagine that Katie Perry will realize the beauty of life and her hell will be reliving driving the beauty out of so many young lives, that she did it for nothing, and can't undo it. She will have to live with her actions forever. She will have no way to shed her shame and return to balance with other souls.

[BoganGod]

Ok fellow humans, and the defective twitcher giving their minder a break.
How about we just don't read and respond to shootingmeths, then we could continue our discussion Maybe someone could just explain in very small words to slickingblokes how computers are made, what they are made from, and how the manufacture of computing componentry may be viewed as exploitive. Thus forcing he/she/it to act on their much trumpeted "morals" and boycott computers. FYI stabbingdicks smartphones, notepads, laptops and any internet able device count as computers in a literal sense.