holy fucking shit

[BoganGod]

Let us say for the sake of argument that I agree. Go on

[BigBallinStalin]

Let us say for the sake of argument that I agree. Go on

Change can also occur through the dissemination and creation of knowledge--namely through journalism and from academia.

As John Maynard Keynes once said:

The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually slaves of some defunct economist.

I'm not opposed to a division of labor with the goal affecting change, so I don't reject grassroots movements and voting, which has a negligible impact on electoral outcomes per individual--which tends to reinforce irrational thought in such decisions. Nevertheless, the underlying causes of voters and movements do not tend to originate from themselves but from the ideas of academia which trickles into journalists. They're the pawns in this complex system of emergent and imposed order.

[nietzsche]

On respect to deja vu I was not attributing the explanation to anything mystical. It could very well be a glitch in our physical brain. I was simply taking advatange of you bringing it up to show that the theories formulated about it contain a lot of faith in the expectation of the explanation of everything that is by the positivistic approach. As i said, might be very well explainable by science some day, but today it hasnt. The explanations that i once read about it are not conclusive at all.

That was my point, you are convinced it will be explained and that is a belief. We have adopted those beliefs in this era after the triumph of science and technology over some of our needs, quite rapidly lately, and it sort of makes sense that we should stay in that approach, doesn't it?

Today we ridicule those who don't share these beliefs. I mean, what once was the thought of the most educated, not many decades ago, is now mainstream. Just look at the cartoons, talk shows, movies, etc. Shouldn't we be careful on what ideas we adopt, are these ours or are they simply the ideas we've been more exposed to? Didn't our ancestors some centuries ago did the same, adopted the ideas they were more exposed to and ended up having erroneous theories abot how the world works? Are we really smarter? Or are we just doing the same?

About me forgetting the materialistic/ deterministic approach about my life: yes, you could say i did it to feel better. But i didn't just stop thinking and went to church on sundays. It took some time, it took asking the question and going deep within myself (stay away from me natty).

I remembered what i had been thinking forever, but specifically an idea i had in college when i was about 20. Long story short i heard about an electronics concept from a friend and this idea came to my head, so i went to the next class of this friend where the teacher was to discuss the topic. Turned out it wasnt what i thought but the idea that spurred the name of the concept stayed with me. I got into philosophy years later and that idea just reasurred in the back of my mind, some times i pondered but i never got into depth with it.

Years later i found myself deeply depressed. Its funny depression in the sense that it takes away your enjoyment of life but it allows you to introspect much more (word of advice: "if you stare long enoung into the abyss, the abyss becomes you"). That got my into psychology and the different approachs at therapy. I read about all of them, from the old ones to the most current. From theory to practice. I went in and out of depression for a few years, the most working approach of theraphy for me being cognitive and meta cognitive. From there i got into cataloguing and studying my thoughts, i could see now how it all happened, how my mood changed and why. I was at beliefs now, but i couldnt fucking find how to work on beliefs.

I had to find that in what you label "mystical". It was right fucking there all the time, all those ideas i rejected for being hippie stuff, many times i tripped on them and kicked them away. But its ok, i guess it was my path.

By labeling them and ridiculing them you are not really dismissing their content. You are simply rejecting the "folk tale".

I got carried away: the name of the electronics concept was something translatable as "machine of states". The idea that came into my mind out of nowhere was that we were a machine of states, reaching into different directions (information) depending oun our state. I got the idea that this was key on the understading of ourselves. The topic discussed at class was something similar but more specialized and with a smaller scope.

So, on with these ideas i found that we have access to different information depending our state of mind, brain frequencies if you wish, and that all the different type of information is truth.

Then, logical thinking is valid qnd true, helpful in its scope, but not the only type of consciousness there is.

Dont be so quick to dismiss "magical thinking". A recent study( was recent when i read about it a couple of years ago) showed that some amount of magical thinking is necessary, indeed vital, for the production of the fundamental healthy amount of dopamine in our brains. This needs not to be an eye opener, as most of what we do is still irrational. We simply keep our logical and rational behaviour where it belongs, dont we? Were you thinking of black holes the last time you jerk off? (Hehe)

Edit: many grammatical errors, will edit tomorrow from the laptop because its a pita from the phone

Bold: Maybe it cannot be explained. Maybe the attempt to explain the workings of the brain is a limit that we cannot surpass, like accelerating a mass to c or using a lens to enhance an image past a certain distance.

This does not imply mysticism or anything not materialism. If you want to say then that I believe in materialism, I suppose by definition you are correct, however I think in this instance it's more akin to a mathematical postulate or even a theorem, which one holds to be true for a certain set until it can be disproven. Every second I see things explained by causalism and materialism-- the movement of my muscles driven by electrical impulses to muscle fibers, the operation of machinery, the evolution of gene propagation. So why would I expect something different from any form of thought, which we know to be the province of neural networks?

Italic: "Shouldn't we be careful what ideas we adopt..." Indeed. And that's a catch-22 statement if I ever heard one. How can you judge an idea on its merit unless it has already come to your attention? The propagation of ideas is how a culture grows and advances.

Whether a culture adopts erroneous theories I suspect is probably inevitable on some scale. And in no way am I saying we are smarter than our predecessors, just more informed.

Rest: blah. I never said there weren't other types of consciousness, but I do maintain that they aren't necessarily magical. There's nothing magical about sleep, or hypnosis, or whatever. The brain is a vast organ, but still an organ.

Oh, and I love pitas, they are delicious.

-TG

In both bold and italic I see you are not paying attention to the idea of beliefs. Or you are not giving it its enough importance. And that's my biggest point.

You'd be surprised how much our beliefs filter our experience. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, all those things with fancy names have their root in beliefs and belief systems. Even if you are a hardcore materialist/determinist, it all starts on a belief. You then chose other beliefs, secondary beliefs that are in accordance with them.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

On respect to deja vu I was not attributing the explanation to anything mystical. It could very well be a glitch in our physical brain. I was simply taking advatange of you bringing it up to show that the theories formulated about it contain a lot of faith in the expectation of the explanation of everything that is by the positivistic approach. As i said, might be very well explainable by science some day, but today it hasnt. The explanations that i once read about it are not conclusive at all.

That was my point, you are convinced it will be explained and that is a belief. We have adopted those beliefs in this era after the triumph of science and technology over some of our needs, quite rapidly lately, and it sort of makes sense that we should stay in that approach, doesn't it?

Today we ridicule those who don't share these beliefs. I mean, what once was the thought of the most educated, not many decades ago, is now mainstream. Just look at the cartoons, talk shows, movies, etc. Shouldn't we be careful on what ideas we adopt, are these ours or are they simply the ideas we've been more exposed to? Didn't our ancestors some centuries ago did the same, adopted the ideas they were more exposed to and ended up having erroneous theories abot how the world works? Are we really smarter? Or are we just doing the same?

About me forgetting the materialistic/ deterministic approach about my life: yes, you could say i did it to feel better. But i didn't just stop thinking and went to church on sundays. It took some time, it took asking the question and going deep within myself (stay away from me natty).

I remembered what i had been thinking forever, but specifically an idea i had in college when i was about 20. Long story short i heard about an electronics concept from a friend and this idea came to my head, so i went to the next class of this friend where the teacher was to discuss the topic. Turned out it wasnt what i thought but the idea that spurred the name of the concept stayed with me. I got into philosophy years later and that idea just reasurred in the back of my mind, some times i pondered but i never got into depth with it.

Years later i found myself deeply depressed. Its funny depression in the sense that it takes away your enjoyment of life but it allows you to introspect much more (word of advice: "if you stare long enoung into the abyss, the abyss becomes you"). That got my into psychology and the different approachs at therapy. I read about all of them, from the old ones to the most current. From theory to practice. I went in and out of depression for a few years, the most working approach of theraphy for me being cognitive and meta cognitive. From there i got into cataloguing and studying my thoughts, i could see now how it all happened, how my mood changed and why. I was at beliefs now, but i couldnt fucking find how to work on beliefs.

I had to find that in what you label "mystical". It was right fucking there all the time, all those ideas i rejected for being hippie stuff, many times i tripped on them and kicked them away. But its ok, i guess it was my path.

By labeling them and ridiculing them you are not really dismissing their content. You are simply rejecting the "folk tale".

I got carried away: the name of the electronics concept was something translatable as "machine of states". The idea that came into my mind out of nowhere was that we were a machine of states, reaching into different directions (information) depending oun our state. I got the idea that this was key on the understading of ourselves. The topic discussed at class was something similar but more specialized and with a smaller scope.

So, on with these ideas i found that we have access to different information depending our state of mind, brain frequencies if you wish, and that all the different type of information is truth.

Then, logical thinking is valid qnd true, helpful in its scope, but not the only type of consciousness there is.

Dont be so quick to dismiss "magical thinking". A recent study( was recent when i read about it a couple of years ago) showed that some amount of magical thinking is necessary, indeed vital, for the production of the fundamental healthy amount of dopamine in our brains. This needs not to be an eye opener, as most of what we do is still irrational. We simply keep our logical and rational behaviour where it belongs, dont we? Were you thinking of black holes the last time you jerk off? (Hehe)

Edit: many grammatical errors, will edit tomorrow from the laptop because its a pita from the phone

Bold: Maybe it cannot be explained. Maybe the attempt to explain the workings of the brain is a limit that we cannot surpass, like accelerating a mass to c or using a lens to enhance an image past a certain distance.

This does not imply mysticism or anything not materialism. If you want to say then that I believe in materialism, I suppose by definition you are correct, however I think in this instance it's more akin to a mathematical postulate or even a theorem, which one holds to be true for a certain set until it can be disproven. Every second I see things explained by causalism and materialism-- the movement of my muscles driven by electrical impulses to muscle fibers, the operation of machinery, the evolution of gene propagation. So why would I expect something different from any form of thought, which we know to be the province of neural networks?

Italic: "Shouldn't we be careful what ideas we adopt..." Indeed. And that's a catch-22 statement if I ever heard one. How can you judge an idea on its merit unless it has already come to your attention? The propagation of ideas is how a culture grows and advances.

Whether a culture adopts erroneous theories I suspect is probably inevitable on some scale. And in no way am I saying we are smarter than our predecessors, just more informed.

Rest: blah. I never said there weren't other types of consciousness, but I do maintain that they aren't necessarily magical. There's nothing magical about sleep, or hypnosis, or whatever. The brain is a vast organ, but still an organ.

Oh, and I love pitas, they are delicious.

-TG

In both bold and italic I see you are not paying attention to the idea of beliefs. Or you are not giving it its enough importance. And that's my biggest point.

You'd be surprised how much our beliefs filter our experience. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, all those things with fancy names have their root in beliefs and belief systems. Even if you are a hardcore materialist/determinist, it all starts on a belief. You then chose other beliefs, secondary beliefs that are in accordance with them.

Reality operates independently of belief, which I think was part of the op.

-TG

[nietzsche]

On respect to deja vu I was not attributing the explanation to anything mystical. It could very well be a glitch in our physical brain. I was simply taking advatange of you bringing it up to show that the theories formulated about it contain a lot of faith in the expectation of the explanation of everything that is by the positivistic approach. As i said, might be very well explainable by science some day, but today it hasnt. The explanations that i once read about it are not conclusive at all.

That was my point, you are convinced it will be explained and that is a belief. We have adopted those beliefs in this era after the triumph of science and technology over some of our needs, quite rapidly lately, and it sort of makes sense that we should stay in that approach, doesn't it?

Today we ridicule those who don't share these beliefs. I mean, what once was the thought of the most educated, not many decades ago, is now mainstream. Just look at the cartoons, talk shows, movies, etc. Shouldn't we be careful on what ideas we adopt, are these ours or are they simply the ideas we've been more exposed to? Didn't our ancestors some centuries ago did the same, adopted the ideas they were more exposed to and ended up having erroneous theories abot how the world works? Are we really smarter? Or are we just doing the same?

About me forgetting the materialistic/ deterministic approach about my life: yes, you could say i did it to feel better. But i didn't just stop thinking and went to church on sundays. It took some time, it took asking the question and going deep within myself (stay away from me natty).

I remembered what i had been thinking forever, but specifically an idea i had in college when i was about 20. Long story short i heard about an electronics concept from a friend and this idea came to my head, so i went to the next class of this friend where the teacher was to discuss the topic. Turned out it wasnt what i thought but the idea that spurred the name of the concept stayed with me. I got into philosophy years later and that idea just reasurred in the back of my mind, some times i pondered but i never got into depth with it.

Years later i found myself deeply depressed. Its funny depression in the sense that it takes away your enjoyment of life but it allows you to introspect much more (word of advice: "if you stare long enoung into the abyss, the abyss becomes you"). That got my into psychology and the different approachs at therapy. I read about all of them, from the old ones to the most current. From theory to practice. I went in and out of depression for a few years, the most working approach of theraphy for me being cognitive and meta cognitive. From there i got into cataloguing and studying my thoughts, i could see now how it all happened, how my mood changed and why. I was at beliefs now, but i couldnt fucking find how to work on beliefs.

I had to find that in what you label "mystical". It was right fucking there all the time, all those ideas i rejected for being hippie stuff, many times i tripped on them and kicked them away. But its ok, i guess it was my path.

By labeling them and ridiculing them you are not really dismissing their content. You are simply rejecting the "folk tale".

I got carried away: the name of the electronics concept was something translatable as "machine of states". The idea that came into my mind out of nowhere was that we were a machine of states, reaching into different directions (information) depending oun our state. I got the idea that this was key on the understading of ourselves. The topic discussed at class was something similar but more specialized and with a smaller scope.

So, on with these ideas i found that we have access to different information depending our state of mind, brain frequencies if you wish, and that all the different type of information is truth.

Then, logical thinking is valid qnd true, helpful in its scope, but not the only type of consciousness there is.

Dont be so quick to dismiss "magical thinking". A recent study( was recent when i read about it a couple of years ago) showed that some amount of magical thinking is necessary, indeed vital, for the production of the fundamental healthy amount of dopamine in our brains. This needs not to be an eye opener, as most of what we do is still irrational. We simply keep our logical and rational behaviour where it belongs, dont we? Were you thinking of black holes the last time you jerk off? (Hehe)

Edit: many grammatical errors, will edit tomorrow from the laptop because its a pita from the phone

Bold: Maybe it cannot be explained. Maybe the attempt to explain the workings of the brain is a limit that we cannot surpass, like accelerating a mass to c or using a lens to enhance an image past a certain distance.

This does not imply mysticism or anything not materialism. If you want to say then that I believe in materialism, I suppose by definition you are correct, however I think in this instance it's more akin to a mathematical postulate or even a theorem, which one holds to be true for a certain set until it can be disproven. Every second I see things explained by causalism and materialism-- the movement of my muscles driven by electrical impulses to muscle fibers, the operation of machinery, the evolution of gene propagation. So why would I expect something different from any form of thought, which we know to be the province of neural networks?

Italic: "Shouldn't we be careful what ideas we adopt..." Indeed. And that's a catch-22 statement if I ever heard one. How can you judge an idea on its merit unless it has already come to your attention? The propagation of ideas is how a culture grows and advances.

Whether a culture adopts erroneous theories I suspect is probably inevitable on some scale. And in no way am I saying we are smarter than our predecessors, just more informed.

Rest: blah. I never said there weren't other types of consciousness, but I do maintain that they aren't necessarily magical. There's nothing magical about sleep, or hypnosis, or whatever. The brain is a vast organ, but still an organ.

Oh, and I love pitas, they are delicious.

-TG

In both bold and italic I see you are not paying attention to the idea of beliefs. Or you are not giving it its enough importance. And that's my biggest point.

You'd be surprised how much our beliefs filter our experience. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, all those things with fancy names have their root in beliefs and belief systems. Even if you are a hardcore materialist/determinist, it all starts on a belief. You then chose other beliefs, secondary beliefs that are in accordance with them.

Reality operates independently of belief, which I think was part of the op.

-TG

Suppose we agree: I was referring to your beliefs. You are functioning in a certain state of mind right now, and most of the times you post it's the same. Others have a different state of mind most of the time, different beliefs and see things differently. Doesn't that bother you, or spur you to investigate, what makes it so? You just label them wrong and you are right.

Or I don't know anymore, I'm lost.

[AAFitz]

The worst part is that you probably won't die in some cool way, like driving your Lamborghini over a cliff and exploding in a fiery descent to your doom. Statistically, you'll get cancer, or heart disease, or dementia, and your body and/or mind will wither away to the verge of nothingness. You'll end up in some hospital shitting your pants with nurses cleaning up after you. And maybe you'll have family, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll rack up huge amounts of debt while you stave off the inevitable, and the hospital boards won't care. You'll eventually succumb to that tunnel of blackness as you remember all the things you've done and ponder all your regrets.

And yet most everybody always tries that desperate grab for a last chance.

It's not the death that's terrible, it's the dying.

-TG

Thats so damn close to the truth for some its uncanny. Its horrible to watch someone go through it. I hope I have the courage to..lets just say not let that happen if the time comes.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

On respect to deja vu I was not attributing the explanation to anything mystical. It could very well be a glitch in our physical brain. I was simply taking advatange of you bringing it up to show that the theories formulated about it contain a lot of faith in the expectation of the explanation of everything that is by the positivistic approach. As i said, might be very well explainable by science some day, but today it hasnt. The explanations that i once read about it are not conclusive at all.

That was my point, you are convinced it will be explained and that is a belief. We have adopted those beliefs in this era after the triumph of science and technology over some of our needs, quite rapidly lately, and it sort of makes sense that we should stay in that approach, doesn't it?

Today we ridicule those who don't share these beliefs. I mean, what once was the thought of the most educated, not many decades ago, is now mainstream. Just look at the cartoons, talk shows, movies, etc. Shouldn't we be careful on what ideas we adopt, are these ours or are they simply the ideas we've been more exposed to? Didn't our ancestors some centuries ago did the same, adopted the ideas they were more exposed to and ended up having erroneous theories abot how the world works? Are we really smarter? Or are we just doing the same?

About me forgetting the materialistic/ deterministic approach about my life: yes, you could say i did it to feel better. But i didn't just stop thinking and went to church on sundays. It took some time, it took asking the question and going deep within myself (stay away from me natty).

I remembered what i had been thinking forever, but specifically an idea i had in college when i was about 20. Long story short i heard about an electronics concept from a friend and this idea came to my head, so i went to the next class of this friend where the teacher was to discuss the topic. Turned out it wasnt what i thought but the idea that spurred the name of the concept stayed with me. I got into philosophy years later and that idea just reasurred in the back of my mind, some times i pondered but i never got into depth with it.

Years later i found myself deeply depressed. Its funny depression in the sense that it takes away your enjoyment of life but it allows you to introspect much more (word of advice: "if you stare long enoung into the abyss, the abyss becomes you"). That got my into psychology and the different approachs at therapy. I read about all of them, from the old ones to the most current. From theory to practice. I went in and out of depression for a few years, the most working approach of theraphy for me being cognitive and meta cognitive. From there i got into cataloguing and studying my thoughts, i could see now how it all happened, how my mood changed and why. I was at beliefs now, but i couldnt fucking find how to work on beliefs.

I had to find that in what you label "mystical". It was right fucking there all the time, all those ideas i rejected for being hippie stuff, many times i tripped on them and kicked them away. But its ok, i guess it was my path.

By labeling them and ridiculing them you are not really dismissing their content. You are simply rejecting the "folk tale".

I got carried away: the name of the electronics concept was something translatable as "machine of states". The idea that came into my mind out of nowhere was that we were a machine of states, reaching into different directions (information) depending oun our state. I got the idea that this was key on the understading of ourselves. The topic discussed at class was something similar but more specialized and with a smaller scope.

So, on with these ideas i found that we have access to different information depending our state of mind, brain frequencies if you wish, and that all the different type of information is truth.

Then, logical thinking is valid qnd true, helpful in its scope, but not the only type of consciousness there is.

Dont be so quick to dismiss "magical thinking". A recent study( was recent when i read about it a couple of years ago) showed that some amount of magical thinking is necessary, indeed vital, for the production of the fundamental healthy amount of dopamine in our brains. This needs not to be an eye opener, as most of what we do is still irrational. We simply keep our logical and rational behaviour where it belongs, dont we? Were you thinking of black holes the last time you jerk off? (Hehe)

Edit: many grammatical errors, will edit tomorrow from the laptop because its a pita from the phone

Bold: Maybe it cannot be explained. Maybe the attempt to explain the workings of the brain is a limit that we cannot surpass, like accelerating a mass to c or using a lens to enhance an image past a certain distance.

This does not imply mysticism or anything not materialism. If you want to say then that I believe in materialism, I suppose by definition you are correct, however I think in this instance it's more akin to a mathematical postulate or even a theorem, which one holds to be true for a certain set until it can be disproven. Every second I see things explained by causalism and materialism-- the movement of my muscles driven by electrical impulses to muscle fibers, the operation of machinery, the evolution of gene propagation. So why would I expect something different from any form of thought, which we know to be the province of neural networks?

Italic: "Shouldn't we be careful what ideas we adopt..." Indeed. And that's a catch-22 statement if I ever heard one. How can you judge an idea on its merit unless it has already come to your attention? The propagation of ideas is how a culture grows and advances.

Whether a culture adopts erroneous theories I suspect is probably inevitable on some scale. And in no way am I saying we are smarter than our predecessors, just more informed.

Rest: blah. I never said there weren't other types of consciousness, but I do maintain that they aren't necessarily magical. There's nothing magical about sleep, or hypnosis, or whatever. The brain is a vast organ, but still an organ.

Oh, and I love pitas, they are delicious.

-TG

In both bold and italic I see you are not paying attention to the idea of beliefs. Or you are not giving it its enough importance. And that's my biggest point.

You'd be surprised how much our beliefs filter our experience. Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, all those things with fancy names have their root in beliefs and belief systems. Even if you are a hardcore materialist/determinist, it all starts on a belief. You then chose other beliefs, secondary beliefs that are in accordance with them.

Reality operates independently of belief, which I think was part of the op.

-TG

Suppose we agree: I was referring to your beliefs. You are functioning in a certain state of mind right now, and most of the times you post it's the same. Others have a different state of mind most of the time, different beliefs and see things differently. Doesn't that bother you, or spur you to investigate, what makes it so? You just label them wrong and you are right.

Or I don't know anymore, I'm lost.

And? What is the utility in adopting these others states of mind? What do they get me, as far as what we haven't already addressed?

As for the cause, it's probably largely cultural and from education. I'm okay with that. I'm a product of my environment, to some extent. Anyone who thinks they aren't is delusional. I grew up with a quasi-religious background, and previously held beliefs which I picked up without actually considering them. I have since eschewed religion and any other dualist belief, not out of some teenage rebellion, but because the contradictions spoke against it (which I struggled with for a long time) and I never saw anything to support it. Like I said earlier, I aspire to improve the quality of life, and I have specific goals in mind. I'm not going to get anywhere if I'm channeling my chakra into positive auras or something.

Here's a belief of mine for you: you must accept reality in order to understand it, to change it to your liking.

How do you direct electricity to serve your ends? By learning about current and voltage and conductivity and all that. Then you can wire your house or steal power from the power lines.

-TG

[nietzsche]

All I'm saying is, you have a bosch super hammer drill and younare using it as a hammer because you have a belief that says it can only push nails.

[BoganGod]

All I'm saying is, you have a bosch super hammer drill and younare using it as a hammer because you have a belief that says it can only push nails.

What a beautiful analogy. Take me you syphilitic nihilist.

[nietzsche]

All I'm saying is, you have a bosch super hammer drill and younare using it as a hammer because you have a belief that says it can only push nails.

What a beautiful analogy. Take me you syphilitic nihilist.

Your ass belongs to me now.

My first action with it will be to lend it to natty, he'll do what he pleases with it.

[BoganGod]

All I'm saying is, you have a bosch super hammer drill and younare using it as a hammer because you have a belief that says it can only push nails.

What a beautiful analogy. Take me you syphilitic nihilist.

Your ass belongs to me now.

My first action with it will be to lend it to natty, he'll do what he pleases with it.

Not again. Anal bleaching, a wax, then a rim job. Such a boring routine.

[Dukasaur]

All I'm saying is, you have a bosch super hammer drill and younare using it as a hammer because you have a belief that says it can only push nails.

What a beautiful analogy. Take me you syphilitic nihilist.

Your ass belongs to me now.

My first action with it will be to lend it to natty, he'll do what he pleases with it.

Not again. Anal bleaching, a wax, then a rim job. Such a boring routine.

You seem to spend a lot of time thinking about your anus. Maybe you should become an astronomer.

[BoganGod]

To think about one's anus is a fundamental obligation....

[BigBallinStalin]

To think about one's anus is a fundamental obligation....

It depends on where you put it.

[BoganGod]

I put an obligation above a guilt trip, and below a duty. How about you?

[nietzsche]

Ok, natty has had enough fun with his cucumbers.

Now BBS gets to have BoganGod's ass for a week.