Thanksgiving in not america.

[betiko]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

[saxitoxin]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

[betiko]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

[saxitoxin]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

It's just a 4-day harvest festival. All kind of agricultural societies have them.

[betiko]

Huh?? I really thought it was about the first pilgrims and the mayflower.
And correction: this is a protestant thing, not an agricultural society thing. Sure, maybe in a few countries there is something similar, but this is your protestant culture.

[saxitoxin]

Huh?? I really thought it was about the first pilgrims and the mayflower.
And correction: this is a protestant thing, not an agricultural society thing. Sure, maybe in a few countries there is something similar, but this is your protestant culture.

--->

Thanksgiving Day is a national holiday celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada as a day of giving thanks for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year. Several other places around the world observe similar celebrations. The reason for the earlier Thanksgiving celebrations in Canada has often been attributed to the earlier onset of winter in the north, thus ending the harvest season earlier.

In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition is commonly, but not universally, traced to a poorly documented 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest. The Pilgrims may have been influenced by watching the annual services of Thanksgiving for the relief of the siege of Leiden in 1574, while they were staying in Leiden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

I doubt it would ever be transplanted to France as there's not a large commercial component to it as with Halloween.

[riskllama]

also, canadas' thanksgiving is roughly a month earlier than the U.S. one. not sure why that is...

[DoomYoshi]

also, canadas' thanksgiving is roughly a month earlier than the U.S. one. not sure why that is...

The US date has hopped all around though. The president is supposed to decide, but they are too lazy to move the date. Also, the calendar lobby has forced this shit on them. It would be wicked if nobody knew when Thanksgiving was until the President announced it that day. f*ck the NFL and their holiday games, f*ck the black friday specials and the cunty stores that sell them, and f*ck the people who don't keep turkeys in the backyard to freshly slaughter day of meal.

[DoomYoshi]

Just for good measure f*ck daylight savings time.

[notyou2]

also, canadas' thanksgiving is roughly a month earlier than the U.S. one. not sure why that is...

I recently read that Canada moved it from November to October as it was too close to Remembrance Day where we remember all the troops we sacrificed for France, you ungrateful fuckers.

[mrswdk]

Remembrance day is Nov 11th, right? In China Nov 11th is Singles' Day, when the stores have big sales and single people can spoil themselves

Had Thanksgiving dinner last night. Happy Thanksgiving, 'murica friends.

[Gweeedo]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

There was starvation on both sides, they were not saying thank you, they were trying to make peace with the Indians after eating all their (the Indians) future crop supplies.

[saxitoxin]

I saw this on Martha Stewart Living ...

Canadian pumpkin pie is spicy, with ginger, nutmeg, cloves and cinnamon, while American pumpkin pie is typically sweet and hascustard in it.

DoomYoshi ... your opinion of pumpkin pie?

Betiko ... your opinion of Martha Stewart?

[2dimes]

I saw this on Martha Stewart Living ...

Canadian pumpkin pie is spicy, with ginger, nutmeg, cloves and cinnamon, while American pumpkin pie is typically sweet and has custard in it.

DoomYoshi ... your opinion of pumpkin pie?

Betiko ... your opinion of Martha Stewart?

Whipped cream on both.

The pie's still sweet here the spices don't make it enchilada or anything.

I like how Martha was hung out to dry as an example to promote the concept that insider trading is unacceptable...










If you're not in the right circles that is. Ever hear of who gave her the insider tips? They never really mentioned that, did they?

[betiko]

I saw this on Martha Stewart Living ...

Canadian pumpkin pie is spicy, with ginger, nutmeg, cloves and cinnamon, while American pumpkin pie is typically sweet and hascustard in it.

DoomYoshi ... your opinion of pumpkin pie?

Betiko ... your opinion of Martha Stewart?

I think martha stewart is an ex con and she should stop acting like she's the duchess of wales, she's rather like the queen of whales.

[notyou2]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

There was starvation on both sides, they were not saying thank you, they were trying to make peace with the Indians after eating all their (the Indians) future crop supplies.

Bullshit, they were thanking the natives for giving up the continent.

[Gweeedo]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

There was starvation on both sides, they were not saying thank you, they were trying to make peace with the Indians after eating all their (the Indians) future crop supplies.

Bullshit, they were thanking the natives for giving up the continent.

I forget the entire story but the 'thanksgiving' dinner was two years later (long after they had landed).
Long story short; the Indians were pissed off at the pilgrims, war was going to ensue.
The pilgrims knew that they had hosed the Indians, trying to appease the situation the pilgrims invited the chief to the settlement, the chief brought many braves with him (cuz they was hungry) knowing that the pilgrims would have to feed them.
The pilgrims decided to do the honorable thing and feed the Indians.
Peace was achieved...War broke out a year (or less) later after the pilgrims screwed the Indians once again.

Note: The Indians migrated, they use to visit that area every so, so leaving their seeds behind to plant when they returned. The pilgrims found the buried seeds and corn kernels and ate them (cus they was starving)...pissing of the Indians (cuz now they was going to starve).

I think there is three different stories of a thanksgiving dinner...this is the favorite...cuz it involves pissed off Indians

[saxitoxin]

just wondering two things:
1) is thanksgiving celebrated everywhere in canada too?
2) are ALL americans aware that this is only an american/north american thing? I mean it s very nice to see all these americans wishing happy thanksgiving To anyone, but this is an absolute normal day anywhere else in the world.

I wonder if this might be exported to europe in the next decades though. After all, halloween has been slowly growing these past ten years. It s still something just celebrated very mildly by a small part of the european populations because it s fun and it corresponds to the celebration of the dead week.

Thanksgiving would really not correspond to anything here. I eat stuffed turkey and meet my family for christmas. Thanksgiving just sounds like something too similar to christmas.

Does France not have any harvest festival?
I'm going to look it up.

Edit ... I guess not ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _festivals

we got a wine harvest festival and we all drink crap 1 year old wine to get wasted in restaurants.

but from what I know.... thanksgiving isn't about harvesting.... It's about saying thank you to those indians who welcomed starving pilgrims from the mayflower.

There was starvation on both sides, they were not saying thank you, they were trying to make peace with the Indians after eating all their (the Indians) future crop supplies.

Bullshit, they were thanking the natives for giving up the continent.

I forget the entire story but the 'thanksgiving' dinner was two years later (long after they had landed).
Long story short; the Indians were pissed off at the pilgrims, war was going to ensue.
The pilgrims knew that they had hosed the Indians, trying to appease the situation the pilgrims invited the chief to the settlement, the chief brought many braves with him (cuz they was hungry) knowing that the pilgrims would have to feed them.
The pilgrims decided to do the honorable thing and feed the Indians.
Peace was achieved...War broke out a year (or less) later after the pilgrims screwed the Indians once again.

Note: The Indians migrated, they use to visit that area every so, so leaving their seeds behind to plant when they returned. The pilgrims found the buried seeds and corn kernels and ate them (cus they was starving)...pissing of the Indians (cuz now they was going to starve).

I think there is three different stories of a thanksgiving dinner...this is the favorite...cuz it involves pissed off Indians

I'm not saying it's incorrect, but that doesn't sound right. IIRC there were only like 30-50 PIlgrims who survived the first winter, which included women and children. What kind of war would have broke out? I thought the first war wasn't until the King Philip's War?

[saxitoxin]

According to English sources, Massasoit prevented the failure of Plymouth Colony and the almost certain starvation that the Pilgrims faced during the earliest years of the colony's establishment. Moreover, Massasoit forged critical political and personal ties with the colonial leaders John Carver, Stephen Hopkins, Edward Winslow, William Bradford, and Miles Standish – ties which grew out of a treaty on March 22, 1621.

There was some tension between Massasoit and the colonists when they refused to give up Squanto whom Massasoit believed to have betrayed him. This was not resolved until a visit by Edward Winslow to Massasoit in March 1623 when Massasoit was ill and Winslow nursed him. After his recovery, Winslow reports that Massasoit said "the English are my friends and love me." Moreover, Winslow also noted that Massasoit felt duty-bound to observe that "whilst I live I will never forget this kindness they have showed me."

During his reign as grand sachem, Massasoit never permitted the Pokanoket to convert to Christianity, and with great diplomatic skill, managed to stay such efforts. Perhaps unsurprisingly however, the half century of peace that Massasoit so assiduously negotiated collapsed soon after his death. Breaking with his father's diplomacy, and in response to increasing depredations into Wampanoag territory by his ally, Massachusetts Bay, Wamsutta began to form an alliance with Connecticut. Within a year of his succession, and almost immediately after appearing in front of the court in 1662, Wamsutta died suddenly. Metacom, Massasoit's second son, became sachem of the Pokanoket, and chief sachem of the Greater Wampanoag Confederacy. Metacom, also known as Philip, certainly believed that Wamsutta had been murdered at the hands of the English. Wamsutta's death was one of the leading factors that eventually led to King Philip's War, the bloodiest war in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massasoit

[DoomYoshi]

I saw this on Martha Stewart Living ...

Canadian pumpkin pie is spicy, with ginger, nutmeg, cloves and cinnamon, while American pumpkin pie is typically sweet and hascustard in it.

DoomYoshi ... your opinion of pumpkin pie?

Betiko ... your opinion of Martha Stewart?

I like my pumpkin pie like I like my hot chocolate: with cayenne salsa and guacamole dip.

[Metsfanmax]

If you're not in the right circles that is. Ever hear of who gave her the insider tips? They never really mentioned that, did they?

It was not as big of a media sensation because the guy who started the insider trading scandal was the CEO of a biotech company that was too small to gain public attention. His broker, who was also Stewart's broker, is the one who shared the info with Stewart. In fact, both the CEO and the broker did go to prison.

[2dimes]

Phew, justice is served. Custard inside, spiced or no?

[notyou2]

Passem peace pipe