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How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:50 am

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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:21 pm

I wonder if the US is catching up. Or does the US's alliance with the British prohibit that from ever happening?

Also, I need more information on the definition of "invasion."

The remainder have been included because the British were found to have achieved some sort of military presence in the territory – however transitory – either through force, the threat of force, negotiation or payment.


I feel like that definition stretches the term "invasion." If that's the term we are using, then the US wins this hands down. Also... if we're using this definition, how are Luxembourg and Vatican City not includible?

And what about Sweden? They were occupied by Nazi Germany, right? Didn't the Brits help the Swedes out with that?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:27 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I wonder if the US is catching up. Or does the US's alliance with the British prohibit that from ever happening?

Also, I need more information on the definition of "invasion."

The remainder have been included because the British were found to have achieved some sort of military presence in the territory – however transitory – either through force, the threat of force, negotiation or payment.


I feel like that definition stretches the term "invasion." If that's the term we are using, then the US wins this hands down. Also... if we're using this definition, how are Luxembourg and Vatican City not includible?

And what about Sweden? They were occupied by Nazi Germany, right? Didn't the Brits help the Swedes out with that?


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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:57 pm

When did the British invade Greece? They invaded Greece in World War II, but only to expel Germany (similar to my argument for Sweden... albeit I don't know if the British actually fough there).

When did the British invade Canada? I know Canadian territories were involved in the War of 1812, but I don't think they were a proper country yet (and I thought the US invaded Canada, not the British invading Canada). Are they counting the Beatles invasion?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:10 pm

when did they invade Japan? WW2?

I wouldn't consider that an invasion...
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:12 pm

Army of GOD wrote:when did they invade Japan? WW2?


This is what I'm saying. I'm sure an argument can be made that the British achieved some sort of military presence in Japan through force, the threat of force, negotiation or payment. But then we can say the same thing for Luxembourg, Vatican City, and pretty much any country where the Brits said "You'd better do what we say... or else!" And then we would come to the U.S. under that same definition, and it's every country.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:15 pm

Also, technically, although the Brits invaded the US in the 1812 thing, the US was a lot smaller then, and thus shouldn't be coloured in completely.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:16 pm

And when was the British invasion of Mexico exactly?
Can't be bothered to look any further, it's such an easy target. Interesting, though I guess technically true, that they managed to invade themselves.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:23 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:And when was the British invasion of Mexico exactly?
Can't be bothered to look any further, it's such an easy target. Interesting, though I guess technically true, that they managed to invade themselves.


1862 from what I can tell- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_intervention_in_Mexico#1862:_Arrival_of_the_French

The British, Spanish and French fleets arrived at Veracruz, between 8 and 17 December 1861 intending to pressure the Mexicans into settling their debts.[14] The Spanish fleet seized San Juan de Ulúa and subsequently the capital Veracruz[14] on 17 December. The European forces advanced to Orizaba, Cordoba and Tehuacán, as they had agreed in the Convention of Soledad.[14] The city of Campeche surrendered to the French fleet on 27 February, and a French army, commanded by General Lorencez, arrived on 5 March. When the Spanish and British realised the French ambition was to conquer Mexico, they withdrew their forces on 9 April, their troops leaving on 24 April. In May, the French man-of-war Bayonnaise blockaded Mazatlán for a few days.

Mexican forces commanded by General Ignacio Zaragoza defeated the French army in the Battle of Puebla on 5 May 1862 (commemorated in Mexico by the Cinco de Mayo holiday). The pursuing Mexican army was ontained by the French at Orizaba, Veracruz, on 14 June. More British troops arrived on 21 September, and General Bazaine arrived with French reinforcements on 16 October. The French occupied the port of Tampico, Tamaulipas, on 23 October, and took control of Xalapa, Veracruz, peacefully on 12 December.[citation needed]
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby mrswdk on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:51 pm

@tgd I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the US has had a military presence in every single country on the planet.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:57 pm

mrswdk wrote:@tgd I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the US has had a military presence in every single country on the planet.


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And straight off the bat, several of the white countries had coups staged by the US.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:05 pm

Do Russia and China know that they have US troops?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:06 pm

no military presence in Mongolia?


god damn Huns..
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:10 pm

Sym,

Perhaps you should ask Ron Paul, image comes from the ronpaulinstitute.org.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:13 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:Sym,

Perhaps you should ask Ron Paul, image comes from the ronpaulinstitute.org.


So you're saying it's BS?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:16 pm

No, I'm saying it is an image posted on a website.

I accept the non-apology you offered in regards to saying I made a mistake in the other thread. I accept the future non apology for what you will say to me in this one.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:17 pm

mrswdk wrote:@tgd I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the US has had a military presence in every single country on the planet.


No, but one could say the US met this definition:

sort of military presence in the territory – however transitory – either through force, the threat of force, negotiation or payment.

Even in states with no military presence. For example - the US has no military presence in Cuba proper (i.e. excluding Guantanamo), but they have exerted threats of force, including sanctions. That seems to count.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Keefie on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:20 pm

Just to correct an earlier post.

Sweden remained a neutral country throughout the whole of WWII and was never invaded by Germany.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:30 pm

I accept the non-apology you offered in regards to saying I made a mistake in the other thread. I accept the future non apology for what you will say to me in this one.


That would be the thread where you're arguing that 36% of Americans believe in conspiracy theories, with an image that directly says the opposite?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:38 pm

Symmetry wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:And when was the British invasion of Mexico exactly?
Can't be bothered to look any further, it's such an easy target. Interesting, though I guess technically true, that they managed to invade themselves.


1862 from what I can tell- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_intervention_in_Mexico#1862:_Arrival_of_the_French

The British, Spanish and French fleets arrived at Veracruz, between 8 and 17 December 1861 intending to pressure the Mexicans into settling their debts.[14] The Spanish fleet seized San Juan de Ulúa and subsequently the capital Veracruz[14] on 17 December. The European forces advanced to Orizaba, Cordoba and Tehuacán, as they had agreed in the Convention of Soledad.[14] The city of Campeche surrendered to the French fleet on 27 February, and a French army, commanded by General Lorencez, arrived on 5 March. When the Spanish and British realised the French ambition was to conquer Mexico, they withdrew their forces on 9 April, their troops leaving on 24 April. In May, the French man-of-war Bayonnaise blockaded Mazatlán for a few days.

Mexican forces commanded by General Ignacio Zaragoza defeated the French army in the Battle of Puebla on 5 May 1862 (commemorated in Mexico by the Cinco de Mayo holiday). The pursuing Mexican army was ontained by the French at Orizaba, Veracruz, on 14 June. More British troops arrived on 21 September, and General Bazaine arrived with French reinforcements on 16 October. The French occupied the port of Tampico, Tamaulipas, on 23 October, and took control of Xalapa, Veracruz, peacefully on 12 December.[citation needed]


Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that one.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:40 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:
mrswdk wrote:@tgd I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the US has had a military presence in every single country on the planet.


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And straight off the bat, several of the white countries had coups staged by the US.


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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:01 pm

Just a about a week ago someone asked me what I thought would happen if the next nation to make a moon landing were to pick up the US flag and take it back to Earth.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:09 pm

then they would be dicks
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Sackett58 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:25 pm

Does Marine contingent at embassy's count as troops on foreign soil?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Lootifer on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:31 pm

Invade is an interesting word.

No one in Austraila or New Zealand treats the assimilation of the locals as an invasion. Generally its referred to in a negative light but seldom called anything remotely similar to an invasion.
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