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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:34 pm

Keefie wrote:Just to correct an earlier post.

Sweden remained a neutral country throughout the whole of WWII and was never invaded by Germany.


Shit. Sorry about that.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:38 pm

Sackett58 wrote:Does Marine contingent at embassy's count as troops on foreign soil?


Embassies tend to be thought of as being the soil of the ambassador nation, I think. So US marines stationed at a US embassy anywhere in the world would be in America for example.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Sackett58 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:43 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Sackett58 wrote:Does Marine contingent at embassy's count as troops on foreign soil?


Embassies tend to be thought of as being the soil of the ambassador nation, I think. So US marines stationed at a US embassy anywhere in the world would be in America for example.

I was wondering about that when the mention of U.S. troops in Russia and China.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:11 pm

If we are taking the same time scale as symmetry for British invasions, then there have been several occasions of US troops in both China and Russia.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:24 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:If we are taking the same time scale as symmetry for British invasions, then there have been several occasions of US troops in both China and Russia.


Really? Can you provide one of the several occasions when the US invaded Russia?

I'm genuinely intrigued.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:35 pm

Dumbass, you are talking about invasions by the Brits, I and the rest of us, are talking about military presence by the US.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:40 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:Dumbass, you are talking about invasions by the Brits, I and the rest of us, are talking about military presence by the US.


So, you don't have any evidence then?
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:49 pm

I have as much evidence as you do for your entire thread. I posted it. Enjoy.

You have been foed.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:05 pm

Foe'd for asking for evidence. That's a new one.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:41 pm

Symmetry wrote:Foe'd for asking for evidence. That's a new one.


In his defense, you can be frustrating.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:13 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Foe'd for asking for evidence. That's a new one.


In his defense, you can be frustrating.


Sure, but this has to be a new record.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:19 pm

I just don't see the point in answering him.

The Brits were the superpower, now the US is.

The Brits literally had to sail to and discover unknown places to invade them. The US launch an attack anywhere faster than I can change my oil.

I just can't be bothered to read sym's reply of: not another galaxy, prove they can launch one in another galaxy.

I'm pretty sure most posters are aware of the US's role in the opium wars and the China marines last century. Surely if Sym can use such arbitrary measures for invasion then those could be used to show military presence. US was allied with Russia in WWII, no doubt a google would discover some war time bases.

Whoever did the image, both images, obviously had their own criteria.

The US has many of its non allies surrounded by bases, and the CIA and other US agents such as the World Bank are pretty good at ensuring the US is calling the shots. Compared to the UK? Hard to compare.

The UK had the advantage of its acts not showing up in each pub, barbershop, and florist. The soldiers were better rewarded, more likely to be career soldiers and less likely to return to the UK.

The US has better means of psychological warfare. This helps in all forms of war, from that which is hard to perceive as war to making a war well perceived.

The UK was harvesting opium under terrible conditions in India and moving it to China. The US is harvesting opium in Afghan and moving it to the US and Europe. The military was there for both investments.

The UK used its warships and financial duplicity to secure the Suez Canal, the US does the same to secure its resources and trade routes.

Same-same,but different.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:33 pm

Surely providing the evidence for your assertions would back them up. All you've done is demand that other people should find your evidence for you and try to derail the topic into an argument about the US.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby waauw on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:11 pm

Symmetry wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:If we are taking the same time scale as symmetry for British invasions, then there have been several occasions of US troops in both China and Russia.


Really? Can you provide one of the several occasions when the US invaded Russia?

I'm genuinely intrigued.


Actually the US has invaded Russia about a century ago. The American government supported the Tsars. They didn't want the communists to take over, so troops were sent to Syberia to help the imperialists. Though I'm not certain this qualifies as an invasion, but then again the same goes for that british invasion-map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire%E2%80%93United_States_relations#American_Civil_War

"Even before Germany surrendered, the US participated in Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War with the Polar Bear Expedition and the American Expeditionary Force Siberia."
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:22 pm

waauw wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:If we are taking the same time scale as symmetry for British invasions, then there have been several occasions of US troops in both China and Russia.


Really? Can you provide one of the several occasions when the US invaded Russia?

I'm genuinely intrigued.


Actually the US has invaded Russia about a century ago. The American government supported the Tsars. They didn't want the communists to take over, so troops were sent to Syberia to help the imperialists. Though I'm not certain this qualifies as an invasion, but then again the same goes for that british invasion-map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire%E2%80%93United_States_relations#American_Civil_War

"Even before Germany surrendered, the US participated in Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War with the Polar Bear Expedition and the American Expeditionary Force Siberia."


That was exactly the kind of thing I was asking for- thanks.

The British invasion of Russia was similar- as a response to the revolution.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:25 pm

Yes, many countries joined in against the CRevoltion and on the side of what I seem to remember was called the "White Russians" (as opposed to Red, not a racial thing). Within the defition of the map's creator, taking sides in someone else'scivil war seems to count as invasion.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:27 pm

Incidentally, I think the first naval action in WWI was on a lake in the Congo. I'll see if I can find the reference. That's be one more to turn pink. I wouldn't want anyone to be left out.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:31 pm

It was in lake Tanganyika, which borders on the modern Democratic Republic of the Congo.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:33 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, many countries joined in against the CRevoltion and on the side of what I seem to remember was called the "White Russians" (as opposed to Red, not a racial thing). Within the defition of the map's creator, taking sides in someone else'scivil war seems to count as invasion.


The map that I posted in the OP is from the article- itself drawn from the book the article discusses. But yes- actually sending troops in to a country is an invasion, I think.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby mrswdk on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:17 pm

Oh, I see. So when we say 'invade' in this thread we're not actually using the word in any meaningful sense? Drivel like this is why I also have Symmetry foed.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:35 pm

mrswdk wrote:Oh, I see. So when we say 'invade' in this thread we're not actually using the word in any meaningful sense? Drivel like this is why I also have Symmetry foed.


No- Britain sent troops into Russia.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:12 pm

mrswdk wrote:Oh, I see. So when we say 'invade' in this thread we're not actually using the word in any meaningful sense? Drivel like this is why I also have Symmetry foed.


It's not Sym's fault that the author of the study used a loose definition of invasion.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:20 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Oh, I see. So when we say 'invade' in this thread we're not actually using the word in any meaningful sense? Drivel like this is why I also have Symmetry foed.


It's not Sym's fault that the author of the study used a loose definition of invasion.


And it's not my fault if some countries were only loosely invaded by the British. Hell- Hawaii was kind of a walk over invasion that surprised me. Jones was surprised that Brits invaded Mexico.

I do like the idea that Brits only loosely invaded a bunch of countries. That's a great lawyerly way to put it.
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Re: How many countries have not been invaded by the British?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:26 pm

Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Oh, I see. So when we say 'invade' in this thread we're not actually using the word in any meaningful sense? Drivel like this is why I also have Symmetry foed.


It's not Sym's fault that the author of the study used a loose definition of invasion.


And it's not my fault if some countries were only loosely invaded by the British. Hell- Hawaii was kind of a walk over invasion that surprised me. Jones was surprised that Brits invaded Mexico.

I do like the idea that Brits only loosely invaded a bunch of countries. That's a great lawyerly way to put it.


I think it's fascinating (the countries invaded or militarily bullied) by the Brits.

I also am fascinated by how many people have you foed.
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