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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:44 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I agree that we should try and free AoG, but you and tgd went about this a totally stupid way that ruined everything. In reality, you caused the ban of AoG. I hope you're happy.


What?

DoomYoshi wrote:No, I'm just illustrating how the Platinum Lounge fucked over AoG. There were plenty of legitimate and honest ways we could have saved AoG. Instead, by resorting to lying, fraud, and chaos causing, everything was ruined.


What?

Look dude, I was trying to make an argument as to why the rule and its enforcement were not appropriate in AoG's case.

Can you explain whether or not it is appropriate for me to share private messages with people? Or does your expectation of non-privacy extend only to the Platinum Lounge? Because I have some interesting messages from you over the last few days.


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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:52 am

I would never do it. I'm curious as to his take on it. Does the word "private" in front of "message" mean more to him than the word "private" in front of "user group?"

I also thought about whether he pmed me to see if I would tell him any inside information about AoG. Fortunately, I truly knew nothing about what AoG was doing and reacted more to the report itself.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby nietzsche on Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:23 pm

When DY was recriminated about his actions he reacted in two ways:

1. Redirecting the blame by saying we had AoG banned.
2. Saying he is a moderator for the site and shouldn't be expected not share what he saw in a private forum.

I think it was a poor choice by him, not thoroughly thought. But the stop should've been there, implicitly, it was not right to share private information.

I knew that bW and blake could read what had been said in the PL, but I assumed it was not going to be used against AoG. We don't know what happens in the moderator forums, and I guess they could've reached a decision using that private information if they wanted it, but I trusted that was not going to be the case.

It's not like the PL has many rules, only perhaps zero politics talk. But the implicit privacy rule is fundamental if we want people to feel at ease to say what they feel like. And it's not like you can't share anything, but we have to be very careful not to potentially affect any members if we share something.

To me it's still unclear what DY really thinks about the whole issue. He said to me he wouldn't share private information again, but I don't know if I can convince notyou2 or AoG (who has the attention span of a bee) or the rest that he's being honest.

THe intention is what's important, and I don't think DY was thinking on helping AoG, but rather in showing he was right and showing off. That having been said, I don't think he's evil or anything, he just acted foolishly.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:22 pm

In this particular issue, I would agree that I used poor judgement.

However, in the span of 3 days since internal memos about the PL have been leaked by:
metsfanmax
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thegreekdog

So, the secrecy aspect isn't 100%, it totally isn't and never has been.

It seems people over-reacted because it had the potential to get someone in trouble. On a general note, I would say the only time a secrecy leak is ok is if it affects illegal activities. That may be a difference in perspective. Many in our society (North American) perceive the police as the enemy and the prevalent sense of justice is "it's only illegal if you get caught". My sense of justice is much simpler than that. I think it is the role of society to self-police. We only need the police as an extension of our own desires for security and fairness, and to remove some of the emotional nature of poor decisions. If you have to think about who is watching what you do (with the exception of anal banging someone in the presence of their mom, etc.) then you probably shouldn't do it.

To a certain amount of people, the scoreboard on CC is an important aspect of CC. It really still is the best marker of skill at RISK (as an overall set of games, rather than a particular ruleset) on the internet, despite our decline. Using some basic libertarian concepts of judgement, AoG's freedom to go towards 0 points negatively impacted the desires of those who want a fair scoreboard.

So here's the rub. I'm a Freemason, and there very much is a strict sense of privacy and secrecy with what we do. I take the privacy more seriously than most (many will share parts of the ritual with their wife or whatever). The lodge which I am master of is known as the cop lodge. We have 3 active cops in our lodge, as well as another dozen retired or inactive members who were/are cops. So, using my RL concepts of privacy and justice and how they interact, I came up with the decision. Unfortunately, it was tarnished by emotional forces, caused by tgd's totally ridiculous arguments, and my wringer of a week.

By the time this thread came around, I was no longer emotionally compromised and just trolling notyou2. A private message, about a private forum called "privacy" with the only contents of the message being about privacy demands to be made public, using #FacebookLogic.

So, I guess the question is: what happens going forward? I already gave my assurance. This is based on the assumption that nobody will admit to breaking the rules in the PL since everybody knows that the admins read that forum. And if you come to kill my wife, I will f*ck you up. I dare you. Bring it.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:08 am

DoomYoshi wrote:To a certain amount of people, the scoreboard on CC is an important aspect of CC. It really still is the best marker of skill at RISK (as an overall set of games, rather than a particular ruleset) on the internet, despite our decline. Using some basic libertarian concepts of judgement, AoG's freedom to go towards 0 points negatively impacted the desires of those who want a fair scoreboard.


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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:51 am

DoomYoshi wrote:AoG's freedom to go towards 0 points negatively impacted the desires of those who want a fair scoreboard.


No, actually, it really didn't impact the desire of those who want a fair scoreboard.

DoomYoshi wrote:However, in the span of 3 days since internal memos about the PL have been leaked by: thegreekdog


sarcasm/ Yeah, because that's the same thing /sarcasm

DoomYoshi wrote:caused by tgd's totally ridiculous arguments,


I did not ask you respond and my posts on the subject up until this thread were never directed at you. Your revisionist history in this regard is disturbing, albeit not puzzling. Further, if you had actually comprehended my posts, I never said that AoG wasn't intentionally losing games and/or points by deadbeating. My contention throughout this process has been twofold. First, AoG's loss of points did not affect the scoreboard and was not in any way point dumping as I've seen the rule enforced on this site (i.e. in all the point dumping cases I've seen, the dumper is losing points to his or her friends) and I called for the use of better judgment. If me calling for the use of better judgment (or judgment on a case-by-case basis) caused problems, I'm not sure why. I'm not a disrespectful person and I've tried to make an argument. Further, I used to be a moderator so I know the thankless job that it is. Second, I have contended (and contended in the past) that this site's moderators tend to defer to higher ranked players at the expense of lower ranked players. Therefore, the report itself (and the user who reported AoG) rubbed me the wrong way.

In any event, my arguments are not ridiculous and it is dishonest for you to say they are ridiculous given private conversations we've had. I strongly suggest you stop asserting that my arguments are ridiculous and stop making light of them given your comments to me in private.

It appears to me that you realized you made a mistake and you're having trouble apologizing and moving on. I suggest you do that.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:42 am

thegreekdog wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:AoG's freedom to go towards 0 points negatively impacted the desires of those who want a fair scoreboard.


No, actually, it really didn't impact the desire of those who want a fair scoreboard.


Yes it did. A fair scoreboard means that every point earned was earned in a match where all players played to win.

That is why we have rules against multis, secret diplomacy and point dumping.

thegreekdog wrote:(i.e. in all the point dumping cases I've seen, the dumper is losing points to his or her friends)


Ok, well your stats suck dick.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:58 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:AoG's freedom to go towards 0 points negatively impacted the desires of those who want a fair scoreboard.


No, actually, it really didn't impact the desire of those who want a fair scoreboard.


Yes it did. A fair scoreboard means that every point earned was earned in a match where all players played to win.

That is why we have rules against multis, secret diplomacy and point dumping.

thegreekdog wrote:(i.e. in all the point dumping cases I've seen, the dumper is losing points to his or her friends)


Ok, well your stats suck dick.


More cogent arguments. Well done.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby blackdragon1661 on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:10 am

What is the Platinum Lounge anyway?
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby riskllama on Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:48 am

I nominate blackdragon1661 for host of the Platinum Lounge.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:54 am

blackdragon1661 wrote:What is the Platinum Lounge anyway?


It's a social experiment.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby iAmCaffeine on Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:00 pm

what/where exactly is this leaked info shizniz?
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:01 pm

Nietzsche appeared to me in a dream about AoG's sister.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby iAmCaffeine on Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:19 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:Nietzsche appeared to me in a dream about AoG's sister.


nothing new there then.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby notyou2 on Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:36 pm

DY published the PM I sent him in the OP and thought it was funny.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:04 pm

notyou2 wrote:DY published the PM I sent him in the OP and thought it was funny.


It is kind of ironic through, right?
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:50 pm

I thought I made a post here yesterday but I think I deleted it by accident when I meant to edit it.

Anyway, it was something like "blah blah blah, let's move on, blah blah, I don't even know what this is all about, blah."
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby iAmCaffeine on Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:02 pm

notyou2 wrote:DY published the PM I sent him in the OP and thought it was funny.


There's obviously more to it than a couple of sentences. Someone get me up to speed!
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby notyou2 on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:18 pm

Sorry, I am not airing dirty laundry. This isn't facebook.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby Symmetry on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:46 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
notyou2 wrote:DY published the PM I sent him in the OP and thought it was funny.


There's obviously more to it than a couple of sentences. Someone get me up to speed!


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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby nietzsche on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:46 pm

Haha, counting Symmetry and both temporal bans to Mets, I executed 4 bans from the PL. Let's see if notyou2 can top my number.
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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby Symmetry on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:57 pm

nietzsche wrote:Haha, counting Symmetry and both temporal bans to Mets, I executed 4 bans from the PL. Let's see if notyou2 can top my number.


Oh! Thank you for that- the whole thing was bothering me.

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Re: notyou2 explains privacy

Postby notyou2 on Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:38 pm

nietzsche wrote:Haha, counting Symmetry and both temporal bans to Mets, I executed 4 bans from the PL. Let's see if notyou2 can top my number.


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