Young Earth: The Evidence

[Symmetry]

You must all remember that Greece invented western civilization, including largely influencing Christianity. Plus, the inscription on the cross was written in Greek (and Hebrew and Latin, but who cares about those two especially since the Romans just stole all the Greek's stuff).

Where does Philadelphia fit into this?


--Andy

It's named in the Book of Revelations?

[waauw]

sabatage is correct. Opposed to many other historical writings (such as Plato and Aristotle), the Bible is much more likely to be accurate from that point of view. The most recent written copies of those were hundreds of years after that person had lived, and only a few copies were found, yet we still believe that they are true. However, the Bible was only written 20years after the fact, and hundreds of original copies were found, and people refuse to accept it.

You are comparing apples with oranges. Plato's books are philosophical works based on arguments. Manipulating them has very little advantage as they are judged according to the argumentation. Whilst the bible is of a completely different genre. It's a listing of tales.

[blackdragon1661]

What about Josephus? What if the tales are true? Isn't that what history is? True tales?

[Symmetry]

What about Josephus? What if the tales are true? Isn't that what history is? True tales?

Historiography is tough road to go down.

I guess you could start with E.H. Carr's "What is History?" for a start to find the answer.

A never ending dialogue between a historian and his facts, is one of his definitions I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_History%3F

Unsurprisingly, most professional historians would balk at the idea of "true tales" being the definition.

[waauw]

What about Josephus? What if the tales are true? Isn't that what history is? True tales?

That's besides the point. You can't compare the Bible with Plato as much as you can't compare Darwin with Keynes.
Neither Plato nor Aristotle were historians, nor were they novel writers.

[tzor]

What about Josephus?

Josephus may have had a chip on his shoulder, but what about him? The references to Christianity may be later additions.

[GoranZ]

You must all remember that Greece invented western civilization

Buhahahahaha, whats next, you gonna say that Greece invented the Earth

including largely influencing Christianity.

Typically Greek, why are you spreading lies, Greeks were Christians 2 millennia before Jesus

Plus, the inscription on the cross was written in Greek (and Hebrew and Latin,

Don't forget that Greece invented Jesus, but wait he wasn't Greek, how can that be when all famous people are Greeks

but who cares about those two especially since the Romans just stole all the Greek's stuff).

What? Poor Greeks every success that others have made is actually stolen Greek achievement

P.S. Which periods are the the most prosperous for Greek people? The ones in which they are conquered ... Alternative is bankruptcy every 20-30 years

[GoranZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507

Open your eyes jay, before you end up like the neanderthals... people like you are in decay for 200 years, you guys are endangered specie

[thegreekdog]

You must all remember that Greece invented western civilization, including largely influencing Christianity. Plus, the inscription on the cross was written in Greek (and Hebrew and Latin, but who cares about those two especially since the Romans just stole all the Greek's stuff).

Where does Philadelphia fit into this?


--Andy

It's named in the Book of Revelations?

And verily it shall come to pass that the Almighty shall first smiteth Philadelphia, for it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

I may be mixing up my Christianity with Star Wars.

[thegreekdog]

You must all remember that Greece invented western civilization

Buhahahahaha, whats next, you gonna say that Greece invented the Earth

including largely influencing Christianity.

Typically Greek, why are you spreading lies, Greeks were Christians 2 millennia before Jesus

Plus, the inscription on the cross was written in Greek (and Hebrew and Latin,

Don't forget that Greece invented Jesus, but wait he wasn't Greek, how can that be when all famous people are Greeks

but who cares about those two especially since the Romans just stole all the Greek's stuff).

What? Poor Greeks every success that others have made is actually stolen Greek achievement

P.S. Which periods are the the most prosperous for Greek people? The ones in which they are conquered ... Alternative is bankruptcy every 20-30 years

(1) Greeks did not invent the earth. The earth was invented for Greeks.
(2) Greeks were not Christians two millenia before Jesus, but it appears obvious that Jesus was Greek (swarthy? check. beard? check. supremely intelligent and learned? check.)
(3) Hey, it's not the Greeks fault that everyone has to steal our shit. Maybe if your ancestors had the wherewithal to climb out of the bushes they inhabited up until the 6th century AD and do something constructive instead of destructive, we wouldn't have this discussion. Let's see... where does the word barbarian come from again? Oh yeah, it stems from a Greek word meaning "not Greek."

[jonesthecurl]

Actually it stems from the Greeks' inability to understand other languages. They thought other languages sounded like "bah-bah-bah". A modern equivalent would be "Blahblarians".

[AndyDufresne]

You must all remember that Greece invented western civilization

Buhahahahaha, whats next, you gonna say that Greece invented the Earth

including largely influencing Christianity.

Typically Greek, why are you spreading lies, Greeks were Christians 2 millennia before Jesus

Plus, the inscription on the cross was written in Greek (and Hebrew and Latin,

Don't forget that Greece invented Jesus, but wait he wasn't Greek, how can that be when all famous people are Greeks

but who cares about those two especially since the Romans just stole all the Greek's stuff).

What? Poor Greeks every success that others have made is actually stolen Greek achievement

P.S. Which periods are the the most prosperous for Greek people? The ones in which they are conquered ... Alternative is bankruptcy every 20-30 years

(1) Greeks did not invent the earth. The earth was invented for Greeks.
(2) Greeks were not Christians two millenia before Jesus, but it appears obvious that Jesus was Greek (swarthy? check. beard? check. supremely intelligent and learned? check.)
(3) Hey, it's not the Greeks fault that everyone has to steal our shit. Maybe if your ancestors had the wherewithal to climb out of the bushes they inhabited up until the 6th century AD and do something constructive instead of destructive, we wouldn't have this discussion. Let's see... where does the word barbarian come from again? Oh yeah, it stems from a Greek word meaning "not Greek."

TGD is the Oracle of PhilaDELPHIa


--Andy

[TA1LGUNN3R]

A new challenger approaches!

I love young earth debates! Let's start with simple questions:

Q: Is it possible for something to be created from nothing?
A: No. The First Law of Thermodynamics clearly states otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics

And it's an idiot...

Pay particular attention to the phrase "the total energy of the system is constant."

-TG

SO you believe that something can be made from nothing?

The problem is that you're attempting to apply an incomplete logic to nature, and there is a disparity between the logic of humanity and the logic of nature (or reality).

Using logic in everyday science and engineering is all well and good, but you must keep in mind that our math and rules that we set for a frame of reference is just that, a reference and not wholly encompassing of reality.

It's easy to say that the idea of a creator is a logical necessity. I can certainly see the logic there, but it's the logic built upon an incomplete knowledge. However, I agree with Hawking in that a creator is not necessary to the beginning of the universe, and here's why: 350 years ago, when Redi disproved spontaneous generation in his famous maggot experiments, it was a prevailng belief that maggots and therefore flies spontaneously came to be, as if from the aether. There was little knowledge of microscopic life, and the idea that life sized creatures can be borne from invisible matter was inconceivable to many. The history of biology is full of such examples.

And that's my point. Where the proponents of spontaneous generation or Lamarckian evolution or whatever other scientific theory that has fallen by the wayside went wrong is not that they were dumb, just that they operated upon conventional logic of the time and therefore could not imagine something which defied their incomplete logic.

If you had never learned about bacteria and viruses, would you believe some guy who told you that a invisible speck of an organism about a millionth of your size was responsible for your illness? Most likely you would not.

Similarly, while I may not completely grasp the finer points of the Big Bang Theory, I'm not gonna say it's wrong because it defies conventional wisdom. Experimental data certainly seems to support it, and it does not defy the laws of thermodynamics.

And besides, depending on God to create reality is a lazy cop-out--where did he come from? A paradoxical endless loop arises, and asserting that there must be a something to create applies to God as well.

So, tough titties and suck it up, cupcake. You're not the center of the universe.

-TG

[tzor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507

Open your eyes jay, before you end up like the neanderthals... people like you are in decay for 200 years, you guys are endangered specie

Hey those red haired neanderthals did pretty well. Up until the English invaded them.

[KoolBak]

I like putting it in perspective.....if the earth's history was compressed into a 24 hour period, the existence of man would be less than the final 2 minutes....we really need to get over ourselves.

[notyou2]

I like putting it in perspective.....if the earth's history was compressed into a 24 hour period, the existence of man would be less than the final 2 minutes....we really need to get over ourselves.

Kool, that's not what the book says. The book says man is as old as the earth, well maybe a day or two younger.

[crispybits]

I like putting it in perspective.....if the earth's history was compressed into a 24 hour period, the existence of man would be less than the final 2 minutes....we really need to get over ourselves.

Kool, that's not what the book says. The book says man is as old as the earth, well maybe a day or two younger.

Of course, but you do know that day doesn't always mean 24 hours and we can use different definitions for the same word, even for the same word used multiple times in the same context within the same passage, without being in any way inconsistent or dishonest.... (according to those who literally believe the book we can anyway)

[GoranZ]

(1) Greeks did not invent the earth. The earth was invented for Greeks.

You forgot to take your pills

(2) Greeks were not Christians two millenia before Jesus, but it appears obvious that Jesus was Greek (swarthy? check. beard? check. supremely intelligent and learned? check.)

You need to check your head, before the damage spreads.

(3) Hey, it's not the Greeks fault that everyone has to steal our shit. Maybe if your ancestors had the wherewithal to climb out of the bushes they inhabited up until the 6th century AD and do something constructive instead of destructive, we wouldn't have this discussion. Let's see... where does the word barbarian come from again? Oh yeah, it stems from a Greek word meaning "not Greek."

Poor Greeks everyone is stealing from you , even the planet was once all yours but others took it. At you ratio I presume all Greeks will disappear very soon. Phew what a relief for Europe. Soon Europe will have no more Greeks... This deserves a celebration

TGD is the Oracle of PhilaDELPHIa

In which mental institution?

[KoolBak]

I like putting it in perspective.....if the earth's history was compressed into a 24 hour period, the existence of man would be less than the final 2 minutes....we really need to get over ourselves.

Kool, that's not what the book says. The book says man is as old as the earth, well maybe a day or two younger.

My bad

[thegreekdog]

(1) Greeks did not invent the earth. The earth was invented for Greeks.

You forgot to take your pills

(2) Greeks were not Christians two millenia before Jesus, but it appears obvious that Jesus was Greek (swarthy? check. beard? check. supremely intelligent and learned? check.)

You need to check your head, before the damage spreads.

(3) Hey, it's not the Greeks fault that everyone has to steal our shit. Maybe if your ancestors had the wherewithal to climb out of the bushes they inhabited up until the 6th century AD and do something constructive instead of destructive, we wouldn't have this discussion. Let's see... where does the word barbarian come from again? Oh yeah, it stems from a Greek word meaning "not Greek."

Poor Greeks everyone is stealing from you , even the planet was once all yours but others took it. At you ratio I presume all Greeks will disappear very soon. Phew what a relief for Europe. Soon Europe will have no more Greeks... This deserves a celebration

TGD is the Oracle of PhilaDELPHIa

In which mental institution?

You can't get rid of us. A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, making money, taking seats of [real] power. And hey, if you succeed in your wish, you still have to deal with democratic forms of government, art, literature, theater, science, mathematics, and pretty much everything else originating with the Greeks. So good luck with that! Like I said, your ancestors couldn't hold a candle to Greeks - they literally thought a candle was magic and would drop it if they had a chance to hold it.

How does it feel knowing that your ancestors were physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually inferior to Greeks? How does it feel knowing that in order to advance beyond the post-neanderthal stage you had to adopt Greek customs, economics, science, and government? I bet it feels bad.

[tzor]

You can't get rid of us. A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, ...

Planting vineyards

Pindar Vineyards was founded in 1979 by the entrepreneurial Dr. Herodotus “Dan” Damianos. Starting off with just 30 acres of uncultivated land in Peconic on the North Fork of Long Island, Dr. Damianos envisioned grand possibilities for his fledgling vineyard, named after the Hellenic poet from Sparta. His dream is being realized as the expanding Pindar currently encompasses nearly 550 acres of prime viticultural property, making it Long Island’s largest vineyard.

[thegreekdog]

You can't get rid of us. A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, ...

Planting vineyards

Pindar Vineyards was founded in 1979 by the entrepreneurial Dr. Herodotus “Dan” Damianos. Starting off with just 30 acres of uncultivated land in Peconic on the North Fork of Long Island, Dr. Damianos envisioned grand possibilities for his fledgling vineyard, named after the Hellenic poet from Sparta. His dream is being realized as the expanding Pindar currently encompasses nearly 550 acres of prime viticultural property, making it Long Island’s largest vineyard.

[GoranZ]

You can't get rid of us.

I have no desire to do something to you or your nation. After all you nations biggest enemy is actually your nation. The damage you guys inflict on your self(and to your friends) is bigger then the damage your enemies can imagine

A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, making money, taking seats of [real] power.

You guys want to spread corruption in US now? You Evil Greek Dogs.
Another interesting question... Greeks that live in US are fighting for Greek or American interests? Have fun replying

And hey, if you succeed in your wish, you still have to deal with democratic forms of government

No thanks, no one wants Greek form of Democracy. It produces bankruptcy every 20-30 years. Keep it for your self.

Like I said, your ancestors couldn't hold a candle to Greeks - they literally thought a candle was magic and would drop it if they had a chance to hold it.

Candles were made from whale fat by the Chinese, during the qin Dynasty (221–206 BC). In India, wax from boiling cinnamon was used for temple candles. In Europe, the Middle-East and Africa, candle making remained unknown until the early middle-ages. Source: History of candle making
You must be feeling like imbecile now. As I said previously you are your own biggest enemy.

How does it feel knowing that your ancestors were physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually inferior to Greeks? How does it feel knowing that in order to advance beyond the post-neanderthal stage you had to adopt Greek customs, economics, science, and government? I bet it feels bad.

If you think that Greeks are superior to their neighbors then I recommend that you visit a doctor, they are specialists, they can help you.

[thegreekdog]

You can't get rid of us.

I have no desire to do something to you or your nation. After all you nations biggest enemy is actually your nation. The damage you guys inflict on your self(and to your friends) is bigger then the damage your enemies can imagine

A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, making money, taking seats of [real] power.

You guys want to spread corruption in US now? You Evil Greek Dogs.
Another interesting question... Greeks that live in US are fighting for Greek or American interests? Have fun replying

And hey, if you succeed in your wish, you still have to deal with democratic forms of government

No thanks, no one wants Greek form of Democracy. It produces bankruptcy every 20-30 years. Keep it for your self.

Like I said, your ancestors couldn't hold a candle to Greeks - they literally thought a candle was magic and would drop it if they had a chance to hold it.

Candles were made from whale fat by the Chinese, during the qin Dynasty (221–206 BC). In India, wax from boiling cinnamon was used for temple candles. In Europe, the Middle-East and Africa, candle making remained unknown until the early middle-ages. Source: History of candle making
You must be feeling like imbecile now. As I said previously you are your own biggest enemy.

How does it feel knowing that your ancestors were physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually inferior to Greeks? How does it feel knowing that in order to advance beyond the post-neanderthal stage you had to adopt Greek customs, economics, science, and government? I bet it feels bad.

If you think that Greeks are superior to their neighbors then I recommend that you visit a doctor, they are specialists, they can help you.

It is obvious to everyone (except apparently you) that the interests of Greeks are the interests of every freedom-loving, wealth-loving, personal-improving people. The interests of Americans coincides directly with the interests of Greeks. After all, the United States has borrowed or stolen many of the things Greeks invented. This is similar to all successful nations and cultures: everything they hold dear was once held dear by Greeks.

[GoranZ]

Like I said, your ancestors couldn't hold a candle to Greeks - they literally thought a candle was magic and would drop it if they had a chance to hold it.

Candles were made from whale fat by the Chinese, during the qin Dynasty (221–206 BC). In India, wax from boiling cinnamon was used for temple candles. In Europe, the Middle-East and Africa, candle making remained unknown until the early middle-ages. Source: History of candle making
You must be feeling like imbecile now. As I said previously you are your own biggest enemy.

No reply on this one? Thanks for confirming how you feel

A lot of us have moved to the US and set up shop here - doing our thing, making money, taking seats of [real] power.

You guys want to spread corruption in US now? You Evil Greek Dogs.
Another interesting question... Greeks that live in US are fighting for Greek or American interests? Have fun replying

It is obvious to everyone (except apparently you)

Why you say everyone when you are only one... Wait you mean about the voices in your head. My bad, I apologize

that the interests of Greeks are the interests of every freedom-loving, wealth-loving, personal-improving people. The interests of Americans coincides directly with the interests of Greeks. After all, the United States has borrowed or stolen many of the things Greeks invented.

United States stolen many things that Greeks invented So you are in United States to stole them back

This is similar to all successful nations and cultures: everything they hold dear was once held dear by Greeks.

And United States are not the only one... whole world did it Man you have gone over the edge of sanity, IDK if doctors can help you.