U.S. aircraft carrier sunk by French submarine

[betiko]

which is more or less the rank those european countries have in terms of economical power. The thing here is that the US is over militarized, that budget is just ridiculous... and 19 aircraft carriers... pfff a bit of an overkill init?

What is funny here, is that duka is from canada. Canada is by far much more the US's bitch and he should be looking in his own back yard first.

well yeah, once the US runs out of money, they won't be able to afford their numerous foreign missions and fleets abroad.

Nations that have 19 aircraft carriers, as betiko observed, while the next strongest state has 2, don't run out of money. When it needs more money, it goes and takes it.

A man with a gun in a town filled with pacifist farmers will never go hungry.

he just might run out of bullets or people to shoot.

That's not much solace if you're one of the farmers. And, I hate to break it to you, France is one of the farmers.

I don't possibly see how you can think this is any true. You're talking of two lifetime allies. A country run by european descendants, with a dominant european background; same dominant religion (if we count in terms of christians). Why do you want us to fear the US? We have roughly the same ideology. Go shake your american scarecrow somewhere else. There's a big list of countries that can be worried. And not like this hasn't been the situation since way before I was born. The US has been the major military power by far in over a century and it has never preocupied europeans.
In your example, that man with a gun is protecting the farmers in exchange of some food, not threatening them.

[saxitoxin]

In your example, that man with a gun is protecting the farmers in exchange of some food, not threatening them.

You seem to erroneously think the U.S. is "protecting" Europe out of a mutual interest of equals; like a bully protects the smart nerd who gives him test answers. This is not a relationship of mutual benefactors. The U.S. is "protecting" Europe like a plantation owner protects his slaves - he's defending his investment.

Europe is getting old and can't plow the fields for massa as much as it once did. That's why the U.S. has announced its "pivot to Asia." Geographically, the only other place Europe can pivot toward is Russia. Which is why I applaud Germany for accepting the inevitability of Russian regional hegemony peacefully, unlike Poland and the Baltics which are struggling and making a big commotion that will ultimately require them to be collared and cowed.

[waauw]

which is more or less the rank those european countries have in terms of economical power. The thing here is that the US is over militarized, that budget is just ridiculous... and 19 aircraft carriers... pfff a bit of an overkill init?

What is funny here, is that duka is from canada. Canada is by far much more the US's bitch and he should be looking in his own back yard first.

well yeah, once the US runs out of money, they won't be able to afford their numerous foreign missions and fleets abroad.

Nations that have 19 aircraft carriers, as betiko observed, while the next strongest state has 2, don't run out of money. When it needs more money, it goes and takes it.

The U.S. has broken and flaunted international law since the end of WW2. Why would you think it would quietly and politely go bankrupt? A man with a gun in a town filled with pacifist farmers will never be hungry.

I disagree. it doesn't matter that the next strongest state only has 2 aircraft carriers as opposed to 19. Why? The development of a multilateral world. Increasingly the world is starting to change into place with multiple local spheres of influence. China is a prime example of this. These pacifist farmers as you call them, are starting to divert their policy to a more hostile build-up. While an army might be strong enough to win almost any war, if local populations are unwilling to cooperate costs rapidly exceed earnings.

One thing to especially consider is monetary economics. The USD is not only one of the US's strongest advantages it's also it's strongest weakness. The petrodollar could easily inflate american prices as soon as a viable competitor to the USD-hegemony steps up, something not out of the question. For many years already, countries in both west and east have agreed that the world should head towards a basket of strong currencies rather than 1 dominant one. Once this happens, there will be an excess of USD's in foreign markets, which will drip the currency back into the US.

[GoranZ]

When the US gave the excuse of weapons of mass destruction to invade irak, Chirac gave Bush a little middle finger to stick right up his ass. The american people took it as a huge disrespect from france not to follow their lead. There was nothing personal there, we just thought it was not justified.

Yeah, yeah, Chirac talked a lot, but did he DO anything? Did he use France's seat on the U.S. Security Council to help pass a motion censuring the U.S. for its invasion of Iraq? No. That's precisely what patches is talking about. Talk is cheap. Anybody can go "blah, blah, blah, my principles reign supreme" for the news cameras, but behind the scenes they bend over and take it up the ass.

All kinds of European countries made irrelevant donkey noises about how the American actions were wrong, but did any of them actually take any meaningful actions? Did any of them actually bring a motion on the floor of the U.N. to sanction the U.S.? Did any of them actually launch a prosecution at the World Court to hang George Bush for his war crimes? (Don't say it was none of your business -- you spent millions hunting Milosevic, why didn't you spend millions hunting Bush, who was responsible for at least 100,000 needless deaths, 500 times more than Milosevic?) Did anybody actually embargo the U.S.? Refuse to sell titanium to American defense contractors? Freeze the assets of companies known to be selling arms to totalitarian regimes in the Middle East? Did you DO anything? Anything at all? No, just talk, talk, talk. It doesn't matter what the idiots with the news cameras think. It doesn't matter what the idiot lumpenproletariat thinks. What matters, is, did you take any ACTION to stop what was happening?

We just have a very conservative vision of borders here, we just want nothing to change.

A lovely vision. But the gangsters in Washington and Peking and Moscow don't give a shit what you want or don't want. All they care about is -- do you have enough tanks to stop them when they come and take what they want?

Each european nation is really different, and the current problems the EU is facing shows that we can't get much closer than we already are. Are we putting ourselves in a difficult situation? I don't think so. We pass on the lead. No need for it. This is like playing risk, dropping a smaller bonus and not attacking, just stacking while others are stacking more. You're still droping enough to make it uninteresting to be attacked if other guys are smart.

Well, yeah, you don't have to be Number 1 in the world. It's okay to be Number 5 or Number 10, as long as you're tough enough that others can't come and dictate to you. But unfortunately, that isn't the case.

Nailed it...

Actually the UK, France and Germany have the nr. 5, 6 and 7 strongest militaries on the planet.
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2014-4?IR=T

The problem is that although UK, France and Germany have 5-th,6-th and 7-th strongest armies, they all combined wont make army with capabilities of American, Russian or Chinese one.

Well, yeah, you don't have to be Number 1 in the world. It's okay to be Number 5 or Number 10, as long as you're tough enough that others can't come and dictate to you. But unfortunately, that isn't the case.

Actually the UK, France and Germany have the nr. 5, 6 and 7 strongest militaries on the planet.
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2014-4?IR=T

You missed the relevant passage, so I've highlighted it for you. It's okay to be number 5 or number 10, (or numbers 5, 6, and 7), as long as others can't dictate to you. If you travel to foreign wars merely as an auxiliary supplement to American forces, you're obviously not big enough, regardless of what cardinal number you console yourself with.

Those who don't study history are destined to repeat it. The West today is precisely analogous to the Delian League. Just as Athens became progressively more bold in exploiting its "allies" to pursue its own imperialistic agenda, so is the U.S., and just as Athens dragged its too-trusting friends into ruin, so will the American Imperium.

Nailed it again...

which is more or less the rank those european countries have in terms of economical power. The thing here is that the US is over militarized, that budget is just ridiculous... and 19 aircraft carriers... pfff a bit of an overkill init?

Maybe it is. But Europe needs to at the very least be able to solve basic European problems. It doesn't need to go on foreign adventures in Afghanistan or whatnot, but it should at least be able to stop Russia from re-occupying Poland, for instance, without waiting for American help. It should have been able to resolve the situation in Bosnia without American help. It should be able to close the Bosporus at will, and the Straits of Gibraltar, and the Kattegat. At present, none of these basic European security concerns could be dealt with sans American help.

I think that Russians have no intentions to occupy Poland, but they have no intentions to give Ukraine to NATO/EU, and would fight until EU give up on Ukraine.

What is funny here, is that duka is from canada. Canada is by far much more the US's bitch and he should be looking in his own back yard first.

If I was Prime Minister, we would follow a more independent policy...

Still, no matter who or what ruled Canada, there's zero chance that Canada could seriously stand up to the U.S. and say "go f*ck yourself." A population one-tenth of the U.S., the world's longest border (which would be too long to defend completely even if we became a Spartan nation of full-time warriors) and an economy completely interlocked in almost every way, all mean that Canada will forever be a stable whore to the American. It can choose between being a completely loyal stable whore, or a somewhat feisty and smart-assed stable whore that sometimes says "no", but it will never be able to cross the street completely.

Europe doesn't face those limitations. Europe could reclaim its rightful position as the centre of civilization, instead of being an auxiliary.

European Union could be strong if it is united, currently it isn't. Basically none of its members dont put the interests of European Union in front of their countries interests... You cant have strong EU with that behavior. Americans, Russians and Chinese know this.

The only reason the US can dictate over europe to the degrees we see today is because europe is divided. This is why europe should unite its armies. Jointly we'd have the demographically 3rd largest army in the world, with military technology that strongly rivals Russia. No nation on earth would even think of meddling with intra-european affairs if we'd ever reach that stage.

Jointly, europe holds the potential to re-become more powerful than the US.

Not really... Joined European Army still has no chances vs Russian army.

The power in place in russia isn't a democracy anymore, it's corrupt as it can be and a big part of the russian population is against it. the rest are just brainwashed or just trying to save their priviledges. There is nothing much we can do to save russians from putin.

You are largely mistaking in your assumption. Russian population have never seen more democratic and less corrupted government in their history.
Thinking that Russian population is against their current government puts you in the losing position in any situation... Face it they are not against Putin, sooner you realize this fact the better for you.
And you look totally brainwashed

let's face it: the EU has reached its limits. we'll go more backwards than frontwards in that union. The EU is immensely unpopular since the last 10 years, people blame everything on the EU. I think it's more about saving what we have now...

EU didn't reach its limits... EU expanded as far its influence reaches... If we include Balkan countries, Iceland and Norway, EU has no significant influence over other countries, both neighboring or distant.

There is as much difference between a french, a german and a russian. why would we all unite against russians?

You don't think France and Germany would have a vested interest in preventing Russia from invading and conquering Poland (the scenario put forward by Duk)?

oh come on, if such thing happened, that would be WW3. Putin can't be that stupid. Of course EU countries would retaliate somehow, but just saying that Poland has proved that they trust more in the american's help than EU countries throughout their military purchases. So they can just go cry at the americans before their fellow europeans.

1. Polish interests in front of European
2. French interests in front of European

You think that combined army will be strong... sorry but without US half of Europe will simply turn towards the Russians in 2 seconds... Thats how strong EU is.

which is more or less the rank those european countries have in terms of economical power. The thing here is that the US is over militarized, that budget is just ridiculous... and 19 aircraft carriers... pfff a bit of an overkill init?

What is funny here, is that duka is from canada. Canada is by far much more the US's bitch and he should be looking in his own back yard first.

well yeah, once the US runs out of money, they won't be able to afford their numerous foreign missions and fleets abroad.

Nations that have 19 aircraft carriers, as betiko observed, while the next strongest state has 2, don't run out of money. When it needs more money, it goes and takes it.

The U.S. has broken and flaunted international law since the end of WW2. Why would you think it would quietly and politely go bankrupt? A man with a gun in a town filled with pacifist farmers will never be hungry.

The time of diplomacy is long over... There are multiple rising giants(Russia, China, India) that want to sit on the World leading table and share the spoils... Unfortunately EU isn't one of them.

[waauw]

Actually the UK, France and Germany have the nr. 5, 6 and 7 strongest militaries on the planet.
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2014-4?IR=T

The problem is that although UK, France and Germany have 5-th,6-th and 7-th strongest armies, they all combined wont make army with capabilities of American, Russian or Chinese one.

Actually, if the brittish, french and germans were to combine their strengths, they would be a strong contender to at least Russia and China, not sure about USA. Their military technologies far outstrip the chinese currently. The military technologies of Russian and europe are quite rivaled depending on the weapon. The demographics on the other hand put the 3 far ahead of Russia with more than 60 million. The USA of course is much stronger than the 3 combined.

Not really... Joined European Army still has no chances vs Russian army.

Don't make me laugh:

• Russia only holds 146 million citizens, while Europe holds 501 million.
• Russia's economy is based on gas and oil, while europe has much vaster secondary sectors. And as observed during WWII, this is a strong advantage. The US pacific Navy/army/airforce was vastly inferior to the japanese pre-WWII. The americans luckely had better industrial infrastructure. It was a piece of cake to convert their factories towards military purposes. The same principle would count with any conflict Russia-Europe. The longer the conflict lasts, the more painful it would become for Russia. The Russians simply don't have the infrastructure to build weapons en mass.
• Though Russia has a vaster nuclear arsenal, their population is a lot more centered around cities due to their harsh climate. European populations are much more scattered. So though Russia has more nukes, they also have more targets to hit, while europeans have less nukes but lesser targets to hit. Not that I think any of the two would dare letting it escalate to nuclear warfare.
• The only advantage Russia has is that it can weaken europe by cutting its gas and oil. But as most of Russia's gas/oil travels from Siberia to european Russia by Pipeline, it wouldn't be difficult to cut the russians off of their own gas.
• Technology-wise the russians don't really have a head-start on europe. In some weaponry they are superior, in others they are inferior.

let's face it: the EU has reached its limits. we'll go more backwards than frontwards in that union. The EU is immensely unpopular since the last 10 years, people blame everything on the EU. I think it's more about saving what we have now...

EU didn't reach its limits... EU expanded as far its influence reaches... If we include Balkan countries, Iceland and Norway, EU has no significant influence over other countries, both neighboring or distant.

That is actually wrong. The french are actually fairly well established in certain parts of Africa and I'd use the balkan as a good example that europe does exert some significant influence if it really wants to. As for the rest of the world, europe has been a lot more pacifist and non-interventionist in the past 60 years as compared to the rest of their history.

1. Polish interests in front of European
2. French interests in front of European

You think that combined army will be strong... sorry but without US half of Europe will simply turn towards the Russians in 2 seconds... Thats how strong EU is.

Bullshit. Western europe doesn't fear Russia due to geographic distances and many parts of eastern europe have a historic hatred towards Russia.

[GoranZ]

Not really... Joined European Army still has no chances vs Russian army.

Don't make me laugh:

• Russia only holds 146 million citizens, while Europe holds 501 million.
• Russia's economy is based on gas and oil, while europe has much vaster secondary sectors. And as observed during WWII, this is a strong advantage. The US pacific Navy/army/airforce was vastly inferior to the japanese pre-WWII. The americans luckely had better industrial infrastructure. It was a piece of cake to convert their factories towards military purposes. The same principle would count with any conflict Russia-Europe. The longer the conflict lasts, the more painful it would become for Russia. The Russians simply don't have the infrastructure to build weapons en mass.
• Though Russia has a vaster nuclear arsenal, their population is a lot more centered around cities due to their harsh climate. European populations are much more scattered. So though Russia has more nukes, they also have more targets to hit, while europeans have less nukes but lesser targets to hit. Not that I think any of the two would dare letting it escalate to nuclear warfare.
• The only advantage Russia has is that it can weaken europe by cutting its gas and oil. But as most of Russia's gas/oil travels from Siberia to european Russia by Pipeline, it wouldn't be difficult to cut the russians off of their own gas.
• Technology-wise the russians don't really have a head-start on europe. In some weaponry they are superior, in others they are inferior.

If Russians cant harm EU, Chinese dont have a chance, why are Americans still around in Europe?
Between you and me, even Americans dont believe you

You think that combined army will be strong... sorry but without US half of Europe will simply turn towards the Russians in 2 seconds... Thats how strong EU is.

Bullshit. Western europe doesn't fear Russia due to geographic distances and many parts of eastern europe have a historic hatred towards Russia.

Historic hatred... You are saying about Polish and Baltic nations. Baltic nations can barely keep what they have... previous time when Poland didn't trusted Russia they ended up divided between Russia, Prussia and Austria.

[betiko]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

[waauw]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

He just feels threatened by europe. Macedonia is insignificant enough to get crushed by my little finger.

[saxitoxin]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

EU: Since the EU only really exists on paper, and would be fighting as a bunch of individual states, I have no doubt Russia could flatten the EU one by one without much trouble. I do doubt, however, Russia would be able to occupy an EU nation. But it could give any nation in Europe a fast, bloody nose that would scare it back into hiding or possibly ignite enough domestic unrest to replace its government with an extremist isolationist or collaborationist regime with no real threat of military repercussion. Just a few dozen Onyx cruise missiles hitting downtown London, followed by a short occupation of the Shetland Islands, would result in the almost instant collapse of the entire British political system. The UK will be saying hello to Prime Minister President Nigel Farage while Canada is welcoming ERII as its new full-time Queen and Charles' head is being used for polo at Ascot Park. Italy, France, or Germany could be cowed just as fast.

U.S.: Russia is no conventional threat to the U.S., since the U.S. is surrounded by the world's biggest moat, so it's hard to imagine a situation in which U.S. ground forces were actually fighting Russian ground forces. The U.S. would be very hard pressed to contribute any significant number of ground forces to Europe, though, IMO. Which is why the current course it's taking is exceptionally dangerous for Europe. The U.S. is engaged in high-stakes poker with Russia, but it's playing with Europe's chips, not its own.

[waauw]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

EU: Since the EU only really exists on paper, and would be fighting as a bunch of individual states, I have no doubt Russia could flatten the EU one by one without much trouble. I do doubt, however, Russia would be able to occupy an EU nation. But it could give any nation in Europe a fast, bloody nose that would scare it back into hiding or possibly ignite enough domestic unrest to replace its government with an extremist isolationist or collaborationist regime with no real threat of military repercussion. Just a few dozen 500-lbs. bombs falling on downtown Edinburgh, followed by a short occupation of the Shetland Islands, would result in the almost instant collapse of the entire British political system. Italy, France, or Germany could be cowed just as fast.

European history contradicts you. For centuries now most wars have been fought between coalitions, so I don't see why you think Russia would become the exception where everybody would fight as a bunch of individual states.
Moreover, european governments have proven themselves extremely resilient in times of war. Both in WWI and WWII governments with what rests of their armies just fled to neighbouring nations whenever their entire country was overrun. To fight another day. If even in such extreme conditions governments didn't fall, what makes you think they would with a flattening of Edinburgh and an occupation of the Shetland islands.

[saxitoxin]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

EU: Since the EU only really exists on paper, and would be fighting as a bunch of individual states, I have no doubt Russia could flatten the EU one by one without much trouble. I do doubt, however, Russia would be able to occupy an EU nation. But it could give any nation in Europe a fast, bloody nose that would scare it back into hiding or possibly ignite enough domestic unrest to replace its government with an extremist isolationist or collaborationist regime with no real threat of military repercussion. Just a few dozen 500-lbs. bombs falling on downtown Edinburgh, followed by a short occupation of the Shetland Islands, would result in the almost instant collapse of the entire British political system. Italy, France, or Germany could be cowed just as fast.

European history contradicts you. For centuries now most wars have been fought between coalitions, so I don't see why you think Russia would become the exception where everybody would fight as a bunch of individual states.
Moreover, european governments have proven themselves extremely resilient in times of war. Both in WWI and WWII governments with what rests of their armies just fled to neighbouring nations whenever their entire country was overrun. To fight another day. If even in such extreme conditions governments didn't fall, what makes you think they would with a flattening of Edinburgh and an occupation of the Shetland islands.

The Europe of 2015 is plump and fat and ready to be served; its military is in disrepair, it no longer has any natural resources or self-sustaining agriculture, most of its governments are battling back extremist political parties in their own nations, it hasn't experienced war for 80 years, its economy is being jolted from one extreme to the next by the PIGS.

If the U.S. ever chose not to intervene, we know how fast it would take the EU to put together any kind of reasonable coalition beyond its vague defense pact. The Russians could attack tomorrow and the European Commission would immediately get to work scheduling the first public hearings on the practicalities of an anti-Russia alliance for 2017, a vote in EuroParl in 2018, a series of referendums spanning 2019 to 2020, an environmental impact study on the proposed anti-Russian alliance for 2021, a two-year study on how the anti-Russia alliance will effect the tulip market in Holland from 2021-2023 ...

[waauw]

The Europe of 2015 is plump and fat and ready to be served; its military is in disrepair, it no longer has any natural resources or self-sustaining agriculture, most of its governments are battling back extremist political parties in their own nations, it hasn't experienced war for 80 years, its economy is being jolted from one extreme to the next by the PIGS.

If the U.S. ever chose not to intervene, we know how fast it would take the EU to put together any kind of reasonable coalition beyond its vague defense pact. The Russians could attack tomorrow and the European Commission would immediately get to work scheduling the first public hearings on the practicalities of an anti-Russia alliance for 2017, a vote in EuroParl in 2018, a series of referendums spanning 2019 to 2020, an environmental impact study on the proposed anti-Russian alliance for 2021, a two-year study on how the anti-Russia alliance will effect the tulip market in Holland from 2021-2023 ...

That's only true if you assume governments behave the same way prior to war and during war. Certainly some leaders might be stunned to inaction, but others would quickly step forward to retaliate and agree immediately. Nothing unites people more than the face of imminent danger.
This does not even taking into account any predetermined automatic reactions.

[saxitoxin]

The Europe of 2015 is plump and fat and ready to be served; its military is in disrepair, it no longer has any natural resources or self-sustaining agriculture, most of its governments are battling back extremist political parties in their own nations, it hasn't experienced war for 80 years, its economy is being jolted from one extreme to the next by the PIGS.

If the U.S. ever chose not to intervene, we know how fast it would take the EU to put together any kind of reasonable coalition beyond its vague defense pact. The Russians could attack tomorrow and the European Commission would immediately get to work scheduling the first public hearings on the practicalities of an anti-Russia alliance for 2017, a vote in EuroParl in 2018, a series of referendums spanning 2019 to 2020, an environmental impact study on the proposed anti-Russian alliance for 2021, a two-year study on how the anti-Russia alliance will effect the tulip market in Holland from 2021-2023 ...

That's only true if you assume governments behave the same way prior to war and during war. Certainly some leaders might be stunned to inaction, but others would retaliate and agree immediately. Nothing unites people more than the face of imminent danger.
This does not even taking into account any predetermined automatic reactions.

Hope is not a strategy.

(That said, I'm not really conducting neutral analysis here, I have too much of an internalized conflict of interest against the US/EU and in favor of Russia to be impartial. )

[betiko]

So it's great to see how rotten you think things are in Europe.
Can you now tell me how much better things are in the US and Russia? Cause it's pretty easy to portrait how decadent and hopeless their society is. No future dude!

[GoranZ]

Bottom line, russia can get ass kicked Easily by the US alone, by the EU alone and goran can go back to his cave. Debate won.

How French declare victory... no wonder you guys have lost so many wars

He just feels threatened by europe.

By Europe? Since when European Union become Europe? You are little-bit daydreaming

Macedonia is insignificant enough to get crushed by my little finger.

See whats is the problem in EU... You probably think that Belgium is one of the most significant country in Europe, although its size is as Macedonia's.
No wonder Americans keep an eye on your fingers all the time, who knows where you want to put them. Hopefully they wont end up in your ass and I wont read about the shit-floods in Belgium.

[waauw]

Macedonia is insignificant enough to get crushed by my little finger.

See whats is the problem in EU... You probably think that Belgium is one of the most significant country in Europe, although its size is as Macedonia's.
No wonder Americans keep an eye on your fingers all the time, who knows where you want to put them. Hopefully they wont end up in your ass and I wont read about the shit-floods in Belgium.

Don't be jealous because we have the rest of europe eating chocolates from our hands and you're not invited.

[betiko]

belgium might only be 20% bigger than macedonia... but it's got over 5 times your population. They are also uncomparably superior to your country in every way, just deal with it.
In a country e-penis war on this site no one would lose against you goran. There is just not a single country crappier than yours around here. And you're the one always bringing up subjects about wars and nationalities, geez. Take a look at where you come from.

[saxitoxin]

In a country e-penis war on this site no one would lose against you goran.

uh ...

France vs. Macedonia
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=209069

France vs. Dairy Queen
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=209105

[betiko]

In a country e-penis war on this site no one would lose against you goran.

uh ...

France vs. Macedonia
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=209069

France vs. Dairy Queen
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=209105

that's not e-penile. that's saxi trap threads.

[GoranZ]

belgium might only be 20% bigger than macedonia... but it's got over 5 times your population. They are also uncomparably superior to your country in every way, just deal with it.

Hahahahaha in every way you say

There is just not a single country crappier than yours around here.

And France lost against my country here... making it even crappier then mine

And you're the one always bringing up subjects about wars and nationalities, geez.

I post every war that France lost(0 won unfortunately), you dont like it, I post about war game in which French sub take out US carrier, you dont like it, I think that what ever I will post you wont like it.

In a country e-penis war on this site no one would lose against you goran.

uh ...

France vs. Macedonia
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=209069

France vs. Dairy Queen
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=209105

that's not e-penile. that's saxi trap threads.

Even saxi lost count how many times France has been f*cked around here...

FRANCE vs. 1989 HONDA ACCORD
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=209171

I guess I cant blame him, it happened many many times. Its kinda boring to see it being f*cked again

[warmonger1981]

I heard it will be difficult for America to experience a situation such as the Weimar Republic experienced due to the actual physical currency versus the digitized currency. The printing presses wouldn't be able to keep up unless they printed currency notes of extreme denominations. If this is true I don't know.

[Endgame422]

So it's great to see how rotten you think things are in Europe.
Can you now tell me how much better things are in the US and Russia? Cause it's pretty easy to portrait how decadent and hopeless their society is. No future dude!

Now you get it.
Western society is essentially falling apart at the seams.
So that includes of course USA most of europe australia but as western society permeates in to other cultures more and more through the ever opening information window, it slowly poisons them.
A similar thing happens to all cultures eventually but as we become more and more connected and similar we become more and more vulnerable.
China and russia who are major players in the world and are traditionally very different from western society look more like the USA to me every day.
When western civilization comes grinding to a halt,which it will sooner or later, its going to drag everyone down with it.

[betiko]

the real question here goran is which is the crapiest european country?

I think the 4 finalists would probably be macedonia, albania, moldova and kosovo. Not sure the other 3 would like to be compared to macedonia though... as they would ass kick macedonia with their little finger too.

[GoranZ]

the real question here goran is which is the crapiest european country?

I think the 4 finalists would probably be macedonia, albania, moldova and kosovo. Not sure the other 3 would like to be compared to macedonia though... as they would ass kick macedonia with their little finger too.

Crappiest European country is France, that is quite obvious.
You guys are always compared to chickens, you know nothing about honor, you dream that you are big yet you are small(chicken size), you guys dont respect others yet you feel a need to be respected.
And irony to be bigger, if there weren't for the Russians or Americans you would have talk German now.