Saudi Arabia is way cool

[mrswdk]

That's a pretty weak interpretation.

In any case, I don't understand what point any of this is supposed to prove. Oh noes, women in Saudi Arabia are required to dress in Islamic dress. Who cares?

[Symmetry]

That's a pretty weak interpretation.

In any case, I don't understand what point any of this is supposed to prove. Oh noes, women in Saudi Arabia are required to dress in Islamic dress. Who cares?

Apparently the population of Saudi Arabia.

[mrswdk]

Fun fact: there are more Muslims from China than there are from Saudi Arabia.

[Symmetry]

Fun fact: there are more Muslims from China than there are from Saudi Arabia.

Hmm, wiki has Saudi Arabian muslims at 25,493,000, China at 23,308,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

[warmonger1981]

Not surprised due to Chinese population.

[Symmetry]

Fun fact: In 1999 China cracked down on the Falun Gong religious movement. Shortly afterward the number of organ transplants rose sharply. Investigations have indicated that China is harvesting the organs of political prisoners for transplant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour%E2%80%93Matas_report

[AndyDufresne]

Fun fact: there are more Muslims from China than there are from Saudi Arabia.

There are more Chinese from China than there are from Saudi Arabia too!


--Andy

[Symmetry]

I've literally provided evidence that there are more muslims in Saudi Arabia than China. Seriously guys, question the evidence if you want, but don't take mrswdk's word as fact.

[mrswdk]

Fun fact: In 1999 China cracked down on the Falun Gong religious movement. Shortly afterward the number of organ transplants rose sharply. Investigations have indicated that China is harvesting the organs of political prisoners for transplant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour%E2%80%93Matas_report

The practice of harvesting of executed prisoners' organs has already surfaced, been pounced on by politicians and subsequently outlawed.

What's the next Symmetry Scoop gonna be - that the UK and China have started negotiating the terms of Hong Kong's return to China?

[Symmetry]

Fun fact: In 1999 China cracked down on the Falun Gong religious movement. Shortly afterward the number of organ transplants rose sharply. Investigations have indicated that China is harvesting the organs of political prisoners for transplant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour%E2%80%93Matas_report

The practice of harvesting of executed prisoners' organs has already surfaced, been pounced on by politicians and subsequently outlawed.

What's the next Symmetry Scoop gonna be - that the UK and China have started negotiating the terms of Hong Kong's return to China?

Well, if it's a practice that already been acknowledged, it can't be wrong. Thanks for the clarification mrswdk. Once again your moral compass has pointed true.

It's sad that imprisoning people for political reasons and harvesting their internal organs has become so objectionable to people, especially politicians. I'm not sure why it should be brought up at all.

BTW, how did your test for psychopathy go?

[mrswdk]

Fun fact: In 1999 China cracked down on the Falun Gong religious movement. Shortly afterward the number of organ transplants rose sharply. Investigations have indicated that China is harvesting the organs of political prisoners for transplant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour%E2%80%93Matas_report

The practice of harvesting of executed prisoners' organs has already surfaced, been pounced on by politicians and subsequently outlawed.

What's the next Symmetry Scoop gonna be - that the UK and China have started negotiating the terms of Hong Kong's return to China?

Well, if it's a practice that already been acknowledged, it can't be wrong. Thanks for the clarification mrswdk. Once again your moral compass has pointed true.

It's sad that imprisoning people for political reasons and harvesting their internal organs has become so objectionable to people, especially politicians. I'm not sure why it should be brought up at all.

BTW, how did your test for psychopathy go?

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

[Symmetry]

Fun fact: In 1999 China cracked down on the Falun Gong religious movement. Shortly afterward the number of organ transplants rose sharply. Investigations have indicated that China is harvesting the organs of political prisoners for transplant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour%E2%80%93Matas_report

The practice of harvesting of executed prisoners' organs has already surfaced, been pounced on by politicians and subsequently outlawed.

What's the next Symmetry Scoop gonna be - that the UK and China have started negotiating the terms of Hong Kong's return to China?

Well, if it's a practice that already been acknowledged, it can't be wrong. Thanks for the clarification mrswdk. Once again your moral compass has pointed true.

It's sad that imprisoning people for political reasons and harvesting their internal organs has become so objectionable to people, especially politicians. I'm not sure why it should be brought up at all.

BTW, how did your test for psychopathy go?

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

So the psychopathy test didn't go well?

[GoranZ]

That's a pretty weak interpretation.

In any case, I don't understand what point any of this is supposed to prove. Oh noes, women in Saudi Arabia are required to dress in Islamic dress. Who cares?

It means there is almost no way for you to freely go to Saudi Arabia and visit the location as free person. In my eyes its Muslim men only. Maybe that's beautiful for you... but most of us dont share your excitement, and that can be clearly seen from previous posts.

[persianempire]

So, to recap:

lmaooo. Well mrs none of these idiots are going to tell you what you want to hear , which is that this is a fn epic modern city built in the middle of the desert. They're not going to admit how awesome it is. because they are all too busy bad mouthing muslim countries and people, wah wah the women cant do anything wah wah.Even tho Saudi women are rich as shit and are living the good life . wah wah they hafto wear this or that they are so imprisoned wah wah . I personally think the Saudis are shit, but im amazed , astounded and in awe of the the things they've built over the last little while. I hafto reiterate tho, once the oil money is gone , these magnificent cities will become nothing but ghost towns. Also they don't have any military power, American puppets , good at taking American money.

[mrswdk]

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

So the psychopathy test didn't go well?

You think it's psychopathic to support organs being taken from dead bodies and given to hospitals for transplants?

[Symmetry]

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

So the psychopathy test didn't go well?

You think it's psychopathic to support organs being taken from dead bodies and given to hospitals for transplants?

I think it's psychopathic to support the harvest of human organs for political reasons. Do you genuinely not see a problem with that?

[mrswdk]

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

So the psychopathy test didn't go well?

You think it's psychopathic to support organs being taken from dead bodies and given to hospitals for transplants?

I think it's psychopathic to support the harvest of human organs for political reasons. Do you genuinely not see a problem with that?

You are confusing two separate issues here:
- the arrest of Falun Gong members for unspecified reasons
- the harvesting of prisoners' organs for transplant patients

[mrswdk]

In any case, the suppression of the Falun Gong movement was the work of Jiang Zemin and his cronies, who are currently in the process of being annihilated by Xi's anti-corruption campaign. Tens to hundreds of officials and police officers responsible for clamping down on Falun Gong practitioners have been sacked/punished/whatever, and the police are starting to soften their approach towards Falun Gong in general.

Fear not, young padawan (*^。^*)

[notyou2]

Saudi Arabia bans use of Gregorian calendar, English language in state bureaus, hotels; order use of Islamic calendar, Arabic only

source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 26,00.html

Is this enough to support what I said?

No.

http://xrdarabia.org/2012/05/23/saudis- ... n-english/

Saudis Don’t Ban English

A reader pointed me to a very strange article he’d come across:

Saudi Arabia bans English language.

As this made no sense, I took a look to see what it was all about.

I’m not sure how an article could come out wrong-headedly. The article it cites, from the UAE’s Gulf News, says nothing about dropping English. Instead, it reports that the Saudis are insisting that the Hijri or Islamic calendar be used for dating purposes on all official and business documents. This does makes sense because the Hijri Calendar is indeed the national calendar. Translations from one calendar to another already create problems when they’re necessary. Performing those translations when not necessary just creates more problems.

The Gulf News article also quotes an unnamed Saudi daily saying that hotels and the like should use Arabic to greet customers on the phone. That’s a suggestion, not a ban. It makes sense, too, because Saudi Arabia’s population speaks Arabic, though English has certainly become an unofficial second language.

English is the language of instruction at both King Abdullah University of Science and Technology and King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals. It is taught in Saudi public schools starting at the fourth grade.

Two recent articles in Arab News also stress the importance the Kingdom and its residents place on English:

Kingdom expands English education

English the ‘preferred language for business’

The article it cites, from the UAE’s Gulf News, says nothing about dropping English

Lets see what Gulf News article says about English... source: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-ara ... -1.1024301

Dubai: Saudi Arabia has banned all government and private agencies from using the Gregorian calendar in official dealings.

The use of the English language to answer calls or communicate, mainly in companies and hotels, has also been banned, a local daily said...

Seems to me that blogger on xrdarabia only reads what he want, not whats written.

There is another interesting limitation for women in Saudi Arabia... I presume this applies to you if you dont mask as men
http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/60 ... ia-cant-do

P.S. You should also check your name, it might be forbidden in Saudi Arabia.

Once again... Is this enough to support what I said?

This seems to bother you Goranz.

[tzor]

You think it's psychopathic to support organs being taken from dead bodies and given to hospitals for transplants?

That's an interesting statement. This in fact may be where the differences lie and why one has a longer wait time.

Here is a web page from the UK NHS.

Unlike many other types of organ donation, it is possible to donate a kidney while you are alive because you only need one kidney to survive. This is known as a living donation.

People who want to be considered as a kidney donor are tested very carefully to ensure they are a suitable donor and are fit for the operation needed to remove a kidney.

Ideally, living donations will come from a close relative because they are more likely to share the same tissue type and blood group as the recipient, which reduces the risk of the body rejecting the kidney. However donations from those who are not blood relatives are sometimes possible.

Kidney donations are also possible from people who have recently died. This is known as deceased kidney donation. However, this type of kidney donation has a slightly lower chance of long-term success.

So you can use deceased people (long term success reduction) and you can skimp on the matching requirements (greater chance of rejection) but this will drastically reduce your "wait time." Or you can do what they do in other countries and steal kidneys as needed from living victims.

[mrswdk]

This seems to bother you Goranz.

He's hoping to use feminism as his latest excuse for why he doesn't pick up checks or walk his dates home at the end of the evening.

[GoranZ]

This seems to bother you Goranz.

According to Saudi Arabia, atheists are its greatest enemies. I'm just fulfilling what they want

This seems to bother you Goranz.

He's hoping to use feminism as his latest excuse for why he doesn't pick up checks or walk his dates home at the end of the evening.

Luckily for me I dont live in Saudi Arabia... BTW did you find your husband in Saudi Arabia? As far as I know Saudi men are not allowed to see their future wifes before the weeding.

[Symmetry]

The average American patient waits more than 4.5 years for a kidney. The average Chinese patient waits 2 weeks.

Personally, I don't see how it benefits society to outlaw the harvesting of organs from someone who is dead. A dead person no longer has any use for their kidney or liver, but someone who is still alive might.

So the psychopathy test didn't go well?

You think it's psychopathic to support organs being taken from dead bodies and given to hospitals for transplants?

I think it's psychopathic to support the harvest of human organs for political reasons. Do you genuinely not see a problem with that?

You are confusing two separate issues here:
- the arrest of Falun Gong members for unspecified reasons
- the harvesting of prisoners' organs for transplant patients

How are these not linked?

[mrswdk]

They were not detained for the purposes of organ harvesting, they were detained because Jiang Zemin was a paranoid old frog.