AfroMaidan

by **GoranZ** on Sun May 03, 2015 4:30 am

It started with Ferguson, the struggle continues with Baltimore

"We strongly advise everyone to respect the right to peaceful protest in Ukraine" Obama's quote for 2014 Ukrainian revolution.

Another, from yesterday's joint press conference with the Japanese prime minister: "Marauders in Baltimore must be considered criminals. The violence had nothing to do with peaceful protests."

Double standards?

by **waauw** on Sun May 03, 2015 5:34 am

GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

by **GoranZ** on Sun May 03, 2015 6:28 am

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

by **mrswdk** on Sun May 03, 2015 7:09 am

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

How did the EU, or any of its specific constituent members, suffer as a result of the Ukraine crisis?

by **Symmetry** on Sun May 03, 2015 7:43 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

How did the EU, or any of its specific constituent members, suffer as a result of the Ukraine crisis?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=How+did+the+EU%2C+or+any+of+its+specific+constituent+members%2C+suffer+as+a+result+of+the+Ukraine+crisis%3F&oq=How+did+the+EU%2C+or+any+of+its+specific+constituent+members%2C+suffer+as+a+result+of+the+Ukraine+crisis%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Hope that helps.

by **mrswdk** on Sun May 03, 2015 8:02 am

I looked on Bing and found nothing. Does that Google search throw up anything worth reading?

by **Symmetry** on Sun May 03, 2015 8:24 am

I can only lead a horse to water...

by **mrswdk** on Sun May 03, 2015 9:26 am

Symmetry wrote:I can only lead a horse to water...

http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ind ... ogle.co.uk

Are there any links on your Google search that answer my question?

by **waauw** on Sun May 03, 2015 10:13 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

How did the EU, or any of its specific constituent members, suffer as a result of the Ukraine crisis?

trade embargoes cause a lot of collateral damage especially if the other side poses embargoes too.

by **mrswdk** on Sun May 03, 2015 10:16 am

waauw wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

How did the EU, or any of its specific constituent members, suffer as a result of the Ukraine crisis?

trade embargoes cause a lot of collateral damage especially if the other side poses embargoes too.

So what collateral damage did EU members states suffer? Genuine question.

by **nietzsche** on Sun May 03, 2015 12:06 pm

im sorry but i just found that image and didn't know where to put it

by **riskllama** on Sun May 03, 2015 12:53 pm

hey! throw that bitch in the gulag, she's stealing roadsigns...

by **GoranZ** on Wed May 06, 2015 10:13 pm

mrswdk wrote:So what collateral damage did EU members states suffer? Genuine question.

Generally Russia made counter sanctions to European products(mainly from food industry) which were replaced by homemade Russian products or Imported products from other parts of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ian_crisis

by **mrswdk** on Thu May 07, 2015 1:10 am

nietzsche wrote:

im sorry but i just found that image and didn't know where to put it

Is this your first time on the internet?

by **tzor** on Thu May 07, 2015 10:32 am

Symmetry wrote:I can only lead a horse to water...

Why does the water smell funny?

by **Army of GOD** on Thu May 07, 2015 10:36 am

Afroman + Iron Maiden = ???

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 07, 2015 1:19 pm

Symmetry wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Double standards?

No doubt the whole Ukraine issue was the stupidest mistake EU leaders have made in the past few years.

On that we agree... Both EU and Russia suffered economically, and US got away with no loses to its economy.

How did the EU, or any of its specific constituent members, suffer as a result of the Ukraine crisis?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=How+did+the+EU%2C+or+any+of+its+specific+constituent+members%2C+suffer+as+a+result+of+the+Ukraine+crisis%3F&oq=How+did+the+EU%2C+or+any+of+its+specific+constituent+members%2C+suffer+as+a+result+of+the+Ukraine+crisis%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Hope that helps.

It's funny. When I click that link, the number one item on the list is this thread!

Well, at least Off-Topics helps push up Conquer Club's search engine placement.

Anyway, mrswdk, it's mainly a tempest in a teapot:
http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_who_pays_for_the_sanctions_on_russia372
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/russia-eu-sanctions-west-trade-embargos-cars-ukraine
Europe is expected to lose about 21 billion. Given the fact that the EU's GDP is about 18 trillion, that's about 0.11%. I don't think there will be mass starvation in Brussels or anything.

I think the bigger cost is in long-term development. If the West hadn't tried to push the Ukraine too far, too soon, the Ukraine would have moved closer to the west one small step at a time. By trying to rush the process, we blew it.