The New Neo-Racism

[Phatscotty]

The new neo-racism - publicly accusing everyone else of racism 24-7, far more prevalent than any literal racism, causing even more damage than literal racism ever could, since now 'racism' a boogie man you can't prove doesn't exist. Much like a racist might only know the color of another's skin that gives them ample evidence to make all kind of false assumptions and project stereotypes in jokes, even create all kinds of public discussions and displays about how one is lesser based on little to virtually no knowledge at all.... Today's new neo-racist only need to know the color of a thought or opinion of another, sometimes even that a simple disagreement might exist, to send them off into a hate frenzied slanderous damnation complete with hell-fire and brimstone. To warrant keeping their kids from associating with 'those people' and to tell everyone else they shouldn't associate either. That color is an excuse to not have to ever talk to them, to never see them, may wish they did not exist and even argue they should not exist. This new neo-racist certainly justifies making all kinds of wildly ridiculous assumptions based on disinformation, misdirection, half-truth and many times even based on no knowledge at all, while the arrogance in their ignorance is loudly proclaimed as righteously indignant.

Hmm, heard this. Wondering what others think of it

"Playing their physiology and psychology is how you break human beings down into accepting whatever idea you want to introduce"

[khazalid]

that's barely even sentient. come on...

'causing even more damage than literal racism ever could'

'while the arrogance in their ignorance is loudly proclaimed as righteously indignant'

right.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy

[notyou2]

He practiced the black arts and is responsible for the death of Robert Plant's young son.

[got tonkaed]

Not really sure I would buy a lot of that. A lot of the stuff there seems like the type of thing you wouldn't get first hand...ie you see someone say it on TV or read about it online or through social media. While it would certainly be annoying, it probably doesn't go much further than that.

I'd imagine if you are not really in a diverse area or are not around something more in line with what people would think of as racism, the idea makes a lot more sense though.

[Phatscotty]

that's barely even sentient. come on...

'causing even more damage than literal racism ever could'

'while the arrogance in their ignorance is loudly proclaimed as righteously indignant'

right.

Well, how many times do you see or hear being literal racism everyday? Okay, so what's the damage there.
How many people do you hear talking about supposed racism everyday? What's the damage there?

For me, that answer is ZERO actual racism seen or heard today, yesterday, have to think back a ways...
Supposed racism... racism new neo-racist talk about all day everyday, making racist literature, looping black n white photos of lynching, making racist memes, assuming racist thoughts and assuming racist motivations.... Hmm, many many of those today. Counting all the anti-white reverse racism stuff, from today....hmmmmm, maybe 35 different statements, memes, pictures, of blatant racism, that is supposedly okay and deserved because of supposed literal racism, of which I actually never see but am supposed to believe is prevalent all around me. And hey, even if I don't see it or hear it, they must be thinking it, these racists I hear so much about.

Seriously, the next time you see something about racism or hear something about racism, tell me who it is saying it or doing it.

[Phatscotty]

Not really sure I would buy a lot of that. A lot of the stuff there seems like the type of thing you wouldn't get first hand...ie you see someone say it on TV or read about it online or through social media. While it would certainly be annoying, it probably doesn't go much further than that.

I'd imagine if you are not really in a diverse area or are not around something more in line with what people would think of as racism, the idea makes a lot more sense though.

Well, how about this. Nobody says or does anything racist to a certain race person, no damage was done that day. That same person, the next day, hears in school about how this guy is racist, that girl is racist, look at this racism, ooh, here's another person saying something racist on the other side of the country, slavery this, slavery that. Ready to explode over racism is sometimes the outcome, anger is tapped into, rage is elevated over something that they didn't actually see, but someone made sure to show them. So, is the world better off today, now that a person is showed a bunch of hatred, and has hatred themselves? What does pushing and shoving hate shown by other people, total strangers, do, or intended to do?

[got tonkaed]

It just doesn't seem like what you are talking about is any different from any number of things that someone could hear that would set someone off. That person is (pick the thing you don't like), and then people like that person less.

I mean certainly any number of things could be damaging to a younger person to be labeled as, but I think past a certain point you would be talking about a different issue entirely.

I would figure these days most things that people would find racist are either things people say (which falls into the camp of things you are talking about with labeling/mislabeling) and remnants of more overtly racist things that still a have a dissimilar racial impact.

To me the fact that certain communities are regularly harassed by law enforcement to the point that we are seeing rioting in cities across the country is a bigger issue than someone being mislabeled.

[Phatscotty]

It just doesn't seem like what you are talking about is any different from any number of things that someone could hear that would set someone off. That person is (pick the thing you don't like), and then people like that person less.

I mean certainly any number of things could be damaging to a younger person to be labeled as, but I think past a certain point you would be talking about a different issue entirely.

I would figure these days most things that people would find racist are either things people say (which falls into the camp of things you are talking about with labeling/mislabeling) and remnants of more overtly racist things that still a have a dissimilar racial impact.

To me the fact that certain communities are regularly harassed by law enforcement to the point that we are seeing rioting in cities across the country is a bigger issue than someone being mislabeled.

And to you, all communities commit crimes at about the same rate, and that is why you expect the same amount of police response to all communities?

Also you hit a good one, mislabeling/labeling. It is because of perceived racism, say, by whites against blacks, therefore, it's totally okay to now mislabel/label all whites as racist. The thing here is, racism could be getting better and better everyday, all the way down to the very last racist on earth. Still, people would push that all over the place and go 'see! racism exists!!!' and people who like to justify a lot of things, even more racism, do so based on the fact racism exists, and that is the never ending self destructive dance which is being pushed forward by people talking about and accusing racism all day everyday, even when they have no idea if the person is racist or not, even if they just disagree with a policy

[Phatscotty]

Does Morgan Freeman have a point here?

[got tonkaed]

But I am not sure that anyone really seriously puts forward the idea that all whites are racists. Sure you see some pretty silly things that get passed around email chains and the weird news story of the day, but I doubt that is a very large number of people.

I figure there are probably two points in regards to the communities and police response. Certainly no one is going to seriously argue that all communities are going to have the same crime rates, but unless someone can put forward a good reason why responses vary so much between different communities it is kind of a hard one to figure out.

On top of that, in regards to a racial element, certainly someone with more time and effort could probably take a look at redlining practices of a generation or two ago and see how the correspond to impoverished areas now (where a lot of this police stuff is hotting up the most).

If there was a way to show that areas where redlining occurred in a prevalent way have led to more cases of harassment from police to the local people would that change how/if you viewed there being a connection?

[Phatscotty]

I bet ya I could put forward a few reason's why. And I don't think what's happened in the last year or so (Ferguson, Baltimore) are indicators police are as bad and as guilty in the 'perceptions' that are held about them. Feel free to elaborate.

Just came across this in my search for that 'white guilt' piece my state university put out, I guess as a statement representing all white people? This guy is pretty funny though, I think he might be touching on a few things relative, perhaps the definition for new neo-racism needs to be more inclusive to other areas where this kind of racism that is out there, related to the definition that the OP talks about

[got tonkaed]

Funny Clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto (I am bad at embedding).

To me it is situations like this that lead to situations like Baltimore, Ferguson and others. The thing is, a lot of things are complex and are not going to immediately be overtly racist. You are right, there could be a ton of different reasons why these things are happening and racism alone doesn't to be the answer (maybe it isn't the answer at all). Having said that though, when you start to put a history together of redlining, municipal activity and police enforcement which ends up being antagonistic, it seems the outcomes are uneven.

All it takes for individual actors to want those things to happen, and then those uneven outcomes end up taking on racist components.

I don't think it is a hard sell to say overt racism is not as strong as before. But it also feels like simply saying prejudice is alive and well is not strong enough.

[macbone]

Morgan Freeman on racism in the US:



More idiocy than racism:



Is justice color-blind?



The people's comments here are telling based on whether the actor is white or black.

Racism toward Asians in the US:



Of course, racism isn't just relegated to the US:

Regina Ip accused of racism over tales of Filipino maids bedding expat bosses

Executive councillor Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee refused to apologise to Hong Kong's Filipino community yesterday after sparking outrage by quoting anecdotes of domestic helpers seducing expatriate bosses and ruining marriages.

In an article that was later removed from her Facebook page and blog, Ip chastised the international media for only focusing on the misbehaviour of employers of domestic helpers - such as the abused Indonesian Erwiana Sulistyaningsih - and said they should not ignore "the issue of a large number of Filipino maids being turned into sexual resources for male foreigners".

In the controversial commentary, also published in the Chinese-language Ming Pao newspaper, the pro-Beijing lawmaker and former security secretary said during her time in office she had received complaints from "foreign women" living in Discovery Bay that the government was "allowing Filipino domestic helpers to seduce their husbands".

Ip said she told them she could not help because it would be difficult to regulate such matters under existing law. She went on to claim that friends in the expatriate community had told her many tales of families breaking up because the husbands were having affairs with their maids.

While the Filipino community reacted with anger, Civic Party lawmaker Claudia Mo Man-ching accused Ip of "blatant racism" and filed a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission yesterday.

The Asian Migrants' Co-ordinating Body, which champions domestic helpers' rights, demanded the Philippine government list Ip as an "undesirable alien" and ban her from entering their country.

Its spokesman Eman Villanueva said: "It is very racist as it is directed to a particular nationality. In many cases the foreign domestic helpers are sexually abused or harassed by their employers. That is more problematic than seducing their employers as it is up to the man [to decide] whether they will be seduced."

He said Ip, widely tipped to run for chief executive in 2017, should be pressing the government to protect maids instead of further victimising them.

Ip, who heads the pro-establishment New People's Party, was unrepentant when contacted by the Post yesterday.

"Why should I apologise?" she asked. "I have really received such complaints about the maids and I am only stating facts."

While she admitted she did not have quantitative data to support her claims, Ip said Hongkongers should not turn a blind eye to the problems.

Late last night she made an apology of sorts, but only for the picture that accompanied her Facebook post with the headline: “Lots of Filipino maids provide sex services to foreign men?” She blamed the graphic designer for a “misleading” visual.

Ip later did apologize for her comments, but in HK, if someone has a darker skin color, they're often the recipients of racist remarks and attitudes, like the Filipino fans rugby fans who were called a "nation of slaves," or the Filipino wife of an expat who was asked to leave the Football Club's pool where the family were visiting as guests of a member and who was later denied re-entry after she left to call a taxi for a daughter. The club apologized for both "mix-ups."

[Phatscotty]

Funny Clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto (I am bad at embedding).

To me it is situations like this that lead to situations like Baltimore, Ferguson and others. The thing is, a lot of things are complex and are not going to immediately be overtly racist. You are right, there could be a ton of different reasons why these things are happening and racism alone doesn't to be the answer (maybe it isn't the answer at all). Having said that though, when you start to put a history together of redlining, municipal activity and police enforcement which ends up being antagonistic, it seems the outcomes are uneven.

All it takes for individual actors to want those things to happen, and then those uneven outcomes end up taking on racist components.

I don't think it is a hard sell to say overt racism is not as strong as before. But it also feels like simply saying prejudice is alive and well is not strong enough.

but really, do people know racism is real or not and how bad it is because of what they know to be true in their own experiences, or because of what they hear other people say all day over and over again and again. Well, yeah, you keep hearing how bad racism is over here over there, sure after a while your gonna be like 'omg, racism is a huge problem!' but really you might not have ever seen such racism. TV doesn't count.....or does it???

[Phatscotty]

Morgan Freeman on racism in the US:



More idiocy than racism:



Is justice color-blind?



The people's comments here are telling based on whether the actor is white or black.

Racism toward Asians in the US:



Of course, racism isn't just relegated to the US:

Regina Ip accused of racism over tales of Filipino maids bedding expat bosses

Executive councillor Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee refused to apologise to Hong Kong's Filipino community yesterday after sparking outrage by quoting anecdotes of domestic helpers seducing expatriate bosses and ruining marriages.

In an article that was later removed from her Facebook page and blog, Ip chastised the international media for only focusing on the misbehaviour of employers of domestic helpers - such as the abused Indonesian Erwiana Sulistyaningsih - and said they should not ignore "the issue of a large number of Filipino maids being turned into sexual resources for male foreigners".

In the controversial commentary, also published in the Chinese-language Ming Pao newspaper, the pro-Beijing lawmaker and former security secretary said during her time in office she had received complaints from "foreign women" living in Discovery Bay that the government was "allowing Filipino domestic helpers to seduce their husbands".

Ip said she told them she could not help because it would be difficult to regulate such matters under existing law. She went on to claim that friends in the expatriate community had told her many tales of families breaking up because the husbands were having affairs with their maids.

While the Filipino community reacted with anger, Civic Party lawmaker Claudia Mo Man-ching accused Ip of "blatant racism" and filed a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission yesterday.

The Asian Migrants' Co-ordinating Body, which champions domestic helpers' rights, demanded the Philippine government list Ip as an "undesirable alien" and ban her from entering their country.

Its spokesman Eman Villanueva said: "It is very racist as it is directed to a particular nationality. In many cases the foreign domestic helpers are sexually abused or harassed by their employers. That is more problematic than seducing their employers as it is up to the man [to decide] whether they will be seduced."

He said Ip, widely tipped to run for chief executive in 2017, should be pressing the government to protect maids instead of further victimising them.

Ip, who heads the pro-establishment New People's Party, was unrepentant when contacted by the Post yesterday.

"Why should I apologise?" she asked. "I have really received such complaints about the maids and I am only stating facts."

While she admitted she did not have quantitative data to support her claims, Ip said Hongkongers should not turn a blind eye to the problems.

Late last night she made an apology of sorts, but only for the picture that accompanied her Facebook post with the headline: “Lots of Filipino maids provide sex services to foreign men?” She blamed the graphic designer for a “misleading” visual.

Ip later did apologize for her comments, but in HK, if someone has a darker skin color, they're often the recipients of racist remarks and attitudes, like the Filipino fans rugby fans who were called a "nation of slaves," or the Filipino wife of an expat who was asked to leave the Football Club's pool where the family were visiting as guests of a member and who was later denied re-entry after she left to call a taxi for a daughter. The club apologized for both "mix-ups."

Ok Mac, I get it. Racism exists. I have known about this for a very long time. You put a lot into that post, like you just found out about racism or something.. I've known about racism just about as long as ive known about asshole, mean old people, people who steal my stuff, bullies and show-offs. I don't get it, like there is this pressure out there on people to 'admit' racism exists. well duh, I guess we're supposed to talk about it all the time and how bad it is. But when I see a statement like 'killall men' on facebook and twitter and 'whitepeople are evil' and it doesnt get taken down, and instead other people just start making jokes and stereotypes, and how they would kill a white person or why men deserve to die, I think I have my own problems with racism and won't be getting sucked into how I'm supposed to ignore racism against whites but feel bad about racism against blacks.

It's like not being racist isn't good enough, there is something more white people have to do now like start promoting a certain racism that is somehow your fault while ignoring reverse raciss diretly aimed at you, and if you don't, then your'e racist

[AndyDufresne]

well duh, I guess we're supposed to talk about it all the time and how bad it is.

Well, it does hurt a lot of people in the world. Ha.

But when I see a statement like 'killall men' on facebook and twitter and 'whitepeople are evil' and it doesnt get taken down, and instead other people just start making jokes and stereotypes, and how they would kill a white person or why men deserve to die, I think I have my own problems with racism and won't be getting sucked into how I'm supposed to ignore racism against whites but feel bad about racism against blacks.

It's like not being racist isn't good enough, there is something more white people have to do now like start promoting a certain racism that is somehow your fault while ignoring reverse raciss diretly aimed at you, and if you don't, then your'e racist

Is your concern only with freedom of speech style of bigotry? Or does it extend to institutional bigotry as well?


--Andy

[khazalid]

don't worry.

next they will come for the white poor.

the erosion of the middle class will continue apace.

and then. we really will all be in it together, and you might have a point.

even then, a black american will be worth more than the arab, african, and asian - but we are talking merely shades of grey. the reason you think there might be some truth in this is because of this fact alone.

[macbone]

Thanks, Scotty. There are tons of people out there in complete denial about racism or its effects. We don't solve problems by ignoring them and hoping they go away but by implementing strategies to get rid of them.

The new neo-racism - publicly accusing everyone else of racism 24-7, far more prevalent than any literal racism, causing even more damage than literal racism ever could, since now 'racism' a boogie man you can't prove doesn't exist. Much like a racist might only know the color of another's skin that gives them ample evidence to make all kind of false assumptions and project stereotypes in jokes, even create all kinds of public discussions and displays about how one is lesser based on little to virtually no knowledge at all.... Today's new neo-racist only need to know the color of a thought or opinion of another, sometimes even that a simple disagreement might exist, to send them off into a hate frenzied slanderous damnation complete with hell-fire and brimstone. To warrant keeping their kids from associating with 'those people' and to tell everyone else they shouldn't associate either. That color is an excuse to not have to ever talk to them, to never see them, may wish they did not exist and even argue they should not exist. This new neo-racist certainly justifies making all kinds of wildly ridiculous assumptions based on disinformation, misdirection, half-truth and many times even based on no knowledge at all, while the arrogance in their ignorance is loudly proclaimed as righteously indignant.

This is really poorly written, so it's hard to tell exactly what this person is saying, but here's the takeaway I get from this.

False charges of racism are much more common than real instances of racism and cause far more damage than real racism does.

That "might only know"? "Might create"? Dude, all you have to do is to dip into Youtube comments to find plenty of examples of very real racism.

You're right that I don't want my kids associating with people who judge others based on their skin color. I picked up a lot of bad habits in my younger days, and a lot of that crap is still floating around my head. No, I don't want my kids hanging out with people who make racist comments, and furthermore, I don't want them to think racist comments are just a matter of life.

Some examples would help illustrate what this person is talking about, but who's being called out here? The media? Al Sharpton? Ted Cruz? Some clarity is needed here.

[mrswdk]

Does Morgan Freeman have a point here?

Yeah, when he says 'stop talking about it'. As long as Americans keep obsessing over race, race will always be an issue.

[mrswdk]

Thanks, Scotty. There are tons of people out there in complete denial about racism or its effects. We don't solve problems by ignoring them and hoping they go away but by implementing strategies to get rid of them.

The new neo-racism - publicly accusing everyone else of racism 24-7, far more prevalent than any literal racism, causing even more damage than literal racism ever could, since now 'racism' a boogie man you can't prove doesn't exist. Much like a racist might only know the color of another's skin that gives them ample evidence to make all kind of false assumptions and project stereotypes in jokes, even create all kinds of public discussions and displays about how one is lesser based on little to virtually no knowledge at all.... Today's new neo-racist only need to know the color of a thought or opinion of another, sometimes even that a simple disagreement might exist, to send them off into a hate frenzied slanderous damnation complete with hell-fire and brimstone. To warrant keeping their kids from associating with 'those people' and to tell everyone else they shouldn't associate either. That color is an excuse to not have to ever talk to them, to never see them, may wish they did not exist and even argue they should not exist. This new neo-racist certainly justifies making all kinds of wildly ridiculous assumptions based on disinformation, misdirection, half-truth and many times even based on no knowledge at all, while the arrogance in their ignorance is loudly proclaimed as righteously indignant.

This is really poorly written, so it's hard to tell exactly what this person is saying, but here's the takeaway I get from this.

False charges of racism are much more common than real instances of racism and cause far more damage than real racism does.

I cba to watch the video, but the impression I get from the text is that 'neo-racists' are people who are 'racist' against different ideologies or sets of values.

[macbone]

I thought these so-called neo-racists were people who call other people racist.

I won't deny that false accusations suck, like the pre-school back in the 80s that was accused of all being Satan worshipers and abusing their kids. I mean, yeah, if that kind of witch hunt's going on, that's pretty terrible. But who are the victims of these neo-racists?



OK, so after a cursory look, one case that came up was the Duke lacrosse team that was accused of raping a woman. A lot of these sites sound pretty nuts, though..

[Lootifer]

Ok Mac, I get it. Racism exists. I have known about this for a very long time. You put a lot into that post, like you just found out about racism or something.. I've known about racism just about as long as ive known about asshole, mean old people, people who steal my stuff, bullies and show-offs. I don't get it, like there is this pressure out there on people to 'admit' racism exists. well duh, I guess we're supposed to talk about it all the time and how bad it is. But when I see a statement like 'killall men' on facebook and twitter and 'whitepeople are evil' and it doesnt get taken down, and instead other people just start making jokes and stereotypes, and how they would kill a white person or why men deserve to die, I think I have my own problems with racism and won't be getting sucked into how I'm supposed to ignore racism against whites but feel bad about racism against blacks.

It's like not being racist isn't good enough, there is something more white people have to do now like start promoting a certain racism that is somehow your fault while ignoring reverse raciss diretly aimed at you, and if you don't, then your'e racist

Did you report those messages on facebook?

We're they reported and not taken down?

If you answered yes to both of those questions then Facebook just breached their terms of service and I suggest you follow up with further action.

Thanks in advance Scott. Good work on keeping social media clean!

[Lootifer]

Also Scott you have to appreciate that the world is never going to be perfect. The pendulum swings, and maybe right now it may very well be swinging to erring on the side of positive reinforcement (to the point of harm); rather than swinging the way of apartheid (or legislated racism as it were).

You, being a self-interested white republican, are always going to see the neo-racist examples far more than the actual racist examples because we have limited capacity to negate our internal bias (I am talking about humans in general here and not just you!). I too would probably fail that test in the bike stealing youtube above, and similarly I instinctively react negatively when I see a family of Polynesians at the supermarket with many small children, or when I see an image of an Asian family taking down a for sale sign in Auckland as they have just bought the property.

This is societal racism and I am first to admit I suffer from it. I also do everything in my power to assess each decision or situation I am faced with neutrally, recognizing that I have this inherited or learned or whatever (maybe im just a racist misogynist, who knows?) bias. Can you honestly say you do the same? No you don't because you thrive on anecdotal evidence, this has been shown numerous times in numerous threads.