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Should a man hitting a woman be viewed differently to a woman hitting a man?

 
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby mrswdk on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:15 am

Lord Arioch wrote:Bah
In todays world u got forums for abused women all over! Which is good dont get me wrong...
but the intresting question is were is the fora for abused males ... the sauna with your pals? I belive that men who get abused are waaaaay more alone in todays society, just casue of what u wrote, no on will accept that a man can get physicly abused by a woman...

And they get no help:) and it would be intresting to see statistics over the amount...


I think I remember seeing a stat which said 50% of domestic abuse is carried out by women, but don't quote me on that.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby tzor on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:17 am

mrswdk wrote:Can you think of any situations where it would be acceptable for a man to hit another man, or a woman to hit a man, but not for a man to hit a woman?


With certain exceptions (when the woman in question is of superior physical abilities and perhaps in the case of self defense) it is never proper for a man to hit a woman.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:19 am

mrswdk wrote:I think I remember seeing a stat which said 50% of domestic abuse is carried out by women, but don't quote me on that.

Does that mean sexism is ultimately a myth?
By the way, I just quoted you on it, sorry bout that.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Lord Arioch on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:19 am

wonder if its physical or pshycological abuse that :)
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:22 am

By the way, I can honestly say I've never hit a woman, even after being kicked in the balls by one and if there was ever a time I might have been in the right to...
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Lord Arioch on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:25 am

Well i can honesttly say i never struck first ... but that goes for both sexes... I freely quote Conan: "its not the punch its the amount of damage u can take and still hit back and win that counts:)" and well that goes for court to:)
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:36 am

It's about etiquette. When a woman stands up from the dinner table, stand with her.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby mrswdk on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:39 am

Lord Arioch wrote:wonder if its physical or pshycological abuse that :)


I imagine it's probably similar proportions to male-on-female domestic violence.

I saw a travel journal of an American guy who came to China and said he felt uncomfortable at seeing domestic violence being openly conducted in the street, and all of the cases he saw were women attacking their boyfriends/husbands.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby waauw on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:41 am

Funkyterrance wrote:By the way, I can honestly say I've never hit a woman, even after being kicked in the balls by one and if there was ever a time I might have been in the right to...


In your case I'm certain it was your own fault :P
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:37 pm

waauw wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:By the way, I can honestly say I've never hit a woman, even after being kicked in the balls by one and if there was ever a time I might have been in the right to...


In your case I'm certain it was your own fault :P


Yes, and I'm sure a good number of people on here would pay to have been a fly on the wall at that particular gathering. :)
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:38 pm

mrswdk wrote:Can you think of any situations where it would be acceptable for a man to hit another man, or a woman to hit a man, but not for a man to hit a woman?


If she's preggo.

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Re: Men hitting women

Postby mrswdk on Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:47 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Can you think of any situations where it would be acceptable for a man to hit another man, or a woman to hit a man, but not for a man to hit a woman?


If she's preggo.

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So it's okay to hit a pregnant man?
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:24 pm

Oh, absolutely. Nobody likes those guys.

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Re: Men hitting women

Postby demonfork on Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:59 pm

If the bitch gives you lip over making you a sandwich then she probably deserves to be smacked.

Other than that, nothing else really comes to mind.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:16 pm

demonfork wrote:If the bitch gives you lip over making you a sandwich then she probably deserves to be smacked.

Other than that, nothing else really comes to mind.

Just a tad cliche, don't you think?
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:56 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
demonfork wrote:If the bitch gives you lip over making you a sandwich then she probably deserves to be smacked.

Other than that, nothing else really comes to mind.

Just a tad cliche, don't you think?


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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Lootifer on Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:58 pm

To me its less about the sex and all to do with the position of power. It is always wrong to assault someone when you are in the position of power. Its less clear when you are fighting against the position of power. In addition, you should attempt to use the least amount of force necessary to attain the position of power. Finally the difference in relative power matters to the "ethics" of the situation. Some examples:

- You are getting mugged. It is ok to defend yourself and knock them down. It is wrong to lay in the boot once they are down.
- Your wife is whacking you over the head yelling at you to do the dishes. It is ok to grab her wrists and disarm her. It is wrong to respond in kind with a punch.
- A drunk guy picking a fight with some random guy (of a similar build) at the pub is wrong. It is "more wrong" for a drunk guy to pick a fight with a much smaller woman, a child, a person in a wheelchair, or a much smaller/weaker man.

On average because woman are smaller than men, a man hitting a woman is "more wrong" than a man hitting a man. But fundamentally the sex is irrelevant.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:11 am

Lootifer wrote:To me its less about the sex and all to do with the position of power. It is always wrong to assault someone when you are in the position of power. Its less clear when you are fighting against the position of power. In addition, you should attempt to use the least amount of force necessary to attain the position of power. Finally the difference in relative power matters to the "ethics" of the situation. Some examples:

- You are getting mugged. It is ok to defend yourself and knock them down. It is wrong to lay in the boot once they are down.
- Your wife is whacking you over the head yelling at you to do the dishes. It is ok to grab her wrists and disarm her. It is wrong to respond in kind with a punch.
- A drunk guy picking a fight with some random guy (of a similar build) at the pub is wrong. It is "more wrong" for a drunk guy to pick a fight with a much smaller woman, a child, a person in a wheelchair, or a much smaller/weaker man.

On average because woman are smaller than men, a man hitting a woman is "more wrong" than a man hitting a man. But fundamentally the sex is irrelevant.

Well said. Ok, next topic?
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:44 am

Lootifer wrote:To me its less about the sex and all to do with the position of power. It is always wrong to assault someone when you are in the position of power. Its less clear when you are fighting against the position of power. In addition, you should attempt to use the least amount of force necessary to attain the position of power. Finally the difference in relative power matters to the "ethics" of the situation. Some examples:

- You are getting mugged. It is ok to defend yourself and knock them down. It is wrong to lay in the boot once they are down.
- Your wife is whacking you over the head yelling at you to do the dishes. It is ok to grab her wrists and disarm her. It is wrong to respond in kind with a punch.
- A drunk guy picking a fight with some random guy (of a similar build) at the pub is wrong. It is "more wrong" for a drunk guy to pick a fight with a much smaller woman, a child, a person in a wheelchair, or a much smaller/weaker man.

On average because woman are smaller than men, a man hitting a woman is "more wrong" than a man hitting a man. But fundamentally the sex is irrelevant.


I think it's less of a position of power so much as "assault" itself (or rather battery). To attack someone, regardless of status, stands in opposition to the right to bodily safety. Therefore, power, authority, sex, etc. are irrelevant when considering when is force warranted. Certainly, in defense of self or others it is warranted, but again this is to preserve the right to physical autonomy which is under attack.

Sure, we can recognize that the 6' 6" 280 lbs muscle man is a dominant threat against the 5' petit woman, but really if the smaller, weaker woman attacked the man it's still a violation of natural rights and should be treated as such. We only think one is worse than the other because of empathy.

And if I'm mugged and I manage to knock the mugger down, you can bet imma boot stomp that motherfucker until he poses no threat.

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Re: Men hitting women

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:53 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:And if I'm mugged and I manage to knock the mugger down, you can bet imma boot stomp that motherfucker until he poses no threat.


Too right. Whatever happens after they try and mug you would not have happened if they had not tried to mug you. If they get stomped unconscious then they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:16 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:And if I'm mugged and I manage to knock the mugger down, you can bet imma boot stomp that motherfucker until he poses no threat.

-TG

You mean after you've sufficiently peed yourself, right? I think it's already been established in another thread that you're basically a coward?

P.S. - It's NOT ok to grab your girlfriend's wrist if she's whacking you over the head for not doing the dishes. The proper response is to make your way over to the sink/dishwasher until it stops. What the hell is wrong with you, ya psycho?!
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Lord Arioch on Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:18 am

One time i really felt justified in beating people up!
Midsummer me and some punkrocker friends met a disabled guy selling christmas cards ... we were quite drunk at the moment so of course we buy some cards who cares its July! Then the guy wents on to meet some nazi skinheads... not the cool ska skins the evil ones ... they attacked him so well long story short when the cops arrive me and my friends are giving first aid to the disabled guy and the skins are spending the afternoon in the ditch THOUROUGHLY beaten up... we were all f*ck we are gonna be arrested .... but the older cop looks the skins over and says well they dont seem to be in that a bad shape ... gives us a stern lecture on law, and takes the disabled guy to the emergency room...

Some people just deserve a beating! Women or people that are weaker than u very seldom does .... thats the way of evil!
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:58 am

Lord Arioch wrote:One time i really felt justified in beating people up!
Midsummer me and some punkrocker friends met a disabled guy selling christmas cards ... we were quite drunk at the moment so of course we buy some cards who cares its July! Then the guy wents on to meet some nazi skinheads... not the cool ska skins the evil ones ... they attacked him so well long story short when the cops arrive me and my friends are giving first aid to the disabled guy and the skins are spending the afternoon in the ditch THOUROUGHLY beaten up... we were all f*ck we are gonna be arrested .... but the older cop looks the skins over and says well they dont seem to be in that a bad shape ... gives us a stern lecture on law, and takes the disabled guy to the emergency room.

Ahh, sweet justice.
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby Lord Arioch on Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:00 am

Felt gooood! yes :)
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Re: Men hitting women

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:09 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:And if I'm mugged and I manage to knock the mugger down, you can bet imma boot stomp that motherfucker until he poses no threat.

-TG

You mean after you've sufficiently peed yourself, right? I think it's already been established in another thread that you're basically a coward?

P.S. - It's NOT ok to grab your girlfriend's wrist if she's whacking you over the head for not doing the dishes. The proper response is to make your way over to the sink/dishwasher until it stops. What the hell is wrong with you, ya psycho?!


Sure. So I gotta change my shorts, too. Ain't no thang.

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