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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby betiko on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:09 pm

has texas ever been french??? i'm really not sure about that... didn't we only have louisiana?
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:32 pm

betiko wrote:has texas ever been french??? i'm really not sure about that... didn't we only have louisiana?

Modern Louisiana is only a minute fragment of the original definition of Louisiana... which was defined as the entire Mississippi watershed and included some 1.2 million square miles or about 40% of the land area of the contiguous states.

La Salle also established a fort at what is now Victoria, Texas, and considered everything from there to the Mississippi to be part of Louisiana also. This claim, if enforced, would have meant that about 50% of Texas' Gulf coast was also French. I don't think it was ever enforced. Colonies in the Americas were always a low-priority item for French kings, and just like with the earlier colonies in South Carolina and Florida, La Salle's fort in Texas was not supported by France and was soon back in Spanish hands.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:37 pm

betiko wrote:has texas ever been french??? i'm really not sure about that... didn't we only have louisiana?


How much would you pay to get Louisiana back? What if they only offered part of it, for instance, just xeno?
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:39 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
betiko wrote:has texas ever been french??? i'm really not sure about that... didn't we only have louisiana?


How much would you pay to get Louisiana back? What if they only offered part of it, for instance, just xeno?


How about if we throw in a free BBS?
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby betiko on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:39 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
betiko wrote:has texas ever been french??? i'm really not sure about that... didn't we only have louisiana?


How much would you pay to get Louisiana back? What if they only offered part of it, for instance, just xeno?


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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby notyou2 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:25 pm

Not so fast. The US Army is going on maneuvers there to ensure it remains in American hands, and to start forcibly removing guns from the habitants.

Resistance is futile.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/13/jade-helm-texas-monitor-military-training-government-plot
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:31 pm

Now Michigan is going the war on the French side:
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/07/13/michigan-jim-harbaugh-mcdonalds-selfie-europe

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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby warmonger1981 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:10 pm

I heard the French gave up Louisiana because they couldn't handle the mosquitoes.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:59 am

They gave up Louisiana because they LOST THE WAR.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:17 am

A Corsican sold French lands to the US government. Think about that one for awhile.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:56 pm

Imagine if France defeated England on the Plains of Abraham. I expect Louisiana and the Mississippi basin would all still be French. The US would simply be the Atlantic coastal states, and a GINORMOUS QUEBEC would dominate you.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:43 pm

notyou2 wrote:Imagine if France defeated England on the Plains of Abraham. I expect Louisiana and the Mississippi basin would all still be French. The US would simply be the Atlantic coastal states, and a GINORMOUS QUEBEC would dominate you.

Keep on dreaming :lol:
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:11 pm

Macedonia is Vermont's closest ally. If New York tried to recapture Vermont, Macedonia might send aid to Vermont.*

http://www.independent.mk/articles/9536 ... stitutions

Vermont is not allies with France. Sucks to be France!

* if Macedonia had any boats or Vermont had any ports
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:16 pm

notyou2 wrote:Imagine if France defeated England on the Plains of Abraham. I expect Louisiana and the Mississippi basin would all still be French. The US would simply be the Atlantic coastal states, and a GINORMOUS QUEBEC would dominate you.

In 1763, the population of Quebec was 70,000. The 13 colonies were already closing in on 3 million. Canada struggles to be taken seriously nowadays, with a population disparity of 10 to 1 in favour of the Americans. Can you imagine what it was like when the population disparity was 40 to 1?

The Americans would have completely disregarded the border and spilled over anyway and then seized control, as they ignored British sovereignty in Florida, as they ignored French sovereignty in Louisiana, as they ignored Spanish sovereignty in Texas, as they ignored the rights of all the native nations.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:31 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Macedonia is Vermont's closest ally. If New York tried to recapture Vermont, Macedonia might send aid to Vermont.*

http://www.independent.mk/articles/9536 ... stitutions

Vermont is not allies with France. Sucks to be France!

* if Macedonia had any boats or Vermont had any ports


Obviously the Champlain Canal is out, but Lake Champlain does connect up north through a tributary to the St. Lawrence River. Obviously Canada is going to side with Vermont and allow passage of the Macedonian ships, so they'd have a chance.

Now, getting to the Adriatic... that's the interesting part.
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Re: Hole in History: Is Texas Still French?

Postby notyou2 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:17 am

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