Confederate History--Dispelling the Myths...

[ConfederateSS]

-----I'll write it hear,but it covers GD and OT... It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.--Ben.Franklin....
-----The last battle of The Civil War. Was a Confederate Victory!
-----The Star Spangled Banner--was written by a Southerner...
-----Dixie--was written by a Northerner...
-----The Style of this Confederacy shall be"The United States of America." Our country started with the Articles of Confederation. Making us all Confederates. The Sons of Liberty started Americans on the path of being "Rebels". As long as an American walks the face of The Earth. The Honor of being a Rebel/Confederate lives...
-----America hit an entire race with Manifest Destiny....Lincoln used slavery as a tactic. To keep France and England out of the Civil War. From joining the South's cause. Lincoln also argued,it would be "better for us both,therefore,to be separated",when blacks gained their freedom. On a plan for colonization in Central America. To give a preview of what you are about to read. The part of Delaware is most scary. Not to mention Northern and Boarder States were not effected by Lincoln's attempt to free the slaves in the South. No matter what happened. Slavery would have ended. As it was dying out around the world. A Confederate States of America,would have gotten rid of slavery. By the on set of The 20th century. With or without a war...
------------Confederate History---Dispelling the Myths---by The SCV-----
History books,the media,the school systems etc..abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate History. This fact sheet will help clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH--The War of 1861-1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT-- Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession. Lincoln was asked,"Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied,"I can't let them go. Who will pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North. Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the war to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

MYTH--Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT--Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to,during and even after the War of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves,who were only freed after the 13th Amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier. Grant stated,"Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily,Confederate General Robert E.LEE freed his slaves(which he never purchased-they were inherited by his wife,none other than George Washington's granddaughter.) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves three years before the war was over,and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war. When the South was obliterating the Yankee armies.
Lastly,and most importantly,why did Northern States outlaw slavery only after the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the South! NOT the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the State of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it(13th Amendment/free the slaves) until 1901!!!
MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT-- NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or the Southern Nation ever flew on a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slave ships. The English,the Dutch and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country,not the South Nation.
But,even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal,Yankee,Union ships brought slaves to America! These were from New England States,and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships,many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelming portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag represented the South Nation.
FACT-- Not true While the Southern Battle Flag was carried into battle,the Southern Nation had 3 different National Flags during the course of the war.
The First National Flag--was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National Flag--was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National Flag--was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag--was never a National Flag of the Confederacy.It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used by a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the"Stars and Bars".
FACT--A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars and Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as"The Southern Cross".
MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT--The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A Battle Flag. It was never even a National flag,so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that vilify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH--The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT--No chance.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH--Abraham Lincoln was The Great Emancipator.
FACT--While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator,many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the War was over. Knowing that African Society would never allow he slaves to return back to Africa,Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conductive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening,was his assassination.
MYTH--The South revered slavery.
FACT--A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861-1865 officially commenced,the Southern States were actually in process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859,and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South,a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH--The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT--Very far from the true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then,as now,very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH--Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT--Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will ,joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally,men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental,Mexican&Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today,many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation,The Confederacy,and her Symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH--The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan,KKK and hate groups.
FACT--Quite the contrary. These despicable organizations such as the KKK and the Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of History,and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups,and pridefully boast HERITAGE---NOT HATE.
MYTH--The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist hate group.
FACT--This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a Historical,patriotic and non political organization comprised of descendants of Confederate Soldiers and Sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861-1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of The Confederate Soldiers as well the motives for his suffering and sacrifice. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.

[loutil]

I think you miss an important point...
It is not the true history of the flag that is important. It is the current meaning of the flag that matters. As an example: look at the swastika and what it means today vs what it meant for thousands of years. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being."
Many racists have taken up the confederate flag as symbol of their ideology. What many people now see when presented with the confederate flag is "southern, redneck, racist."
For the record, I was born in the south and still live here today...

[owenshooter]

in before the lock/move... many people have posted articles about how the confederate flag once again became prominent and began to fly over state houses at the start of the civil rights struggle... enjoy discussing this in off topics...-Jésus noir

[muy_thaiguy]

in before the lock/move... many people have posted articles about how the confederate flag once again became prominent and began to fly over state houses at the start of the civil rights struggle... enjoy discussing this in off topics...-Jésus noir

Was about to point this out myself. That it hadn't flown for almost a century, and then only popped up during the Civil Rights Movement to protest, well, the Civil Rights Movement. Well, it had been flown by the KKK in the intervening years, but still.

[a6mzero]

Other than 1st Manassas the south took a pounding in the first 2 years of the war. If Joe Johnston had not been wounded at the battle of Seven Pines and u know who took command of the Army of Northern Va the war would have been over in in the summer of 1862.

[AndyDufresne]

MYTH--The South revered slavery.
FACT--A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861-1865 officially commenced,the Southern States were actually in process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859,and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South,a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

This is indeed true. I think they were in the process of freeing them all to the afterlife.


--Andy

[Metsfanmax]

Do you have any sources at all for any of these claims, or is this just a copy/paste from some friend's Facebook post?

[muy_thaiguy]

Do you have any sources at all for any of these claims, or is this just a copy/paste from some friend's Facebook post?

Probably the facebook post or some relatively unknown website trying to make excuses for a flag that was flown all of 4 years, until it was flown again to protest the Civil Rights Movement would be my guesses.

[DaGip]

You don't mind if I don't read any of this shit, right? Ok? Just making sure it was okay with you all that I didn't really give a shit about Confederate History...just like that giant relief of American Traitors carved on the side of a mountain that I will never ever plan to make a trip to see.



Probably the lamest, crappiest monument anybody has ever tried to deface God's mountains with! Yuck!

[warmonger1981]

loutil on Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:41 am

I think you miss an important point...
It is not the true history of the flag that is important. It is the current meaning of the flag that matters.

End of discussion. Smart people have figured out ways to hijack any symbol or words.

BTW Dagip WTF is that carving supposed to be?

[patches70]

BTW Dagip WTF is that carving supposed to be?

The Confederate Memorial sculpture on Stone Mountain in Georgia. Its Lee, Jackson and Davis.

[warmonger1981]

I fell carving faces onto the side of mountains is a complete disgrace to natures beauty.

[a6mzero]

Dagip u wouldn't rate as a pimple on Thomas J. Jackson's ass.

[jacktoo]

Immediately following his surrender at Appomattox, General Robert E. Lee, ordered the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the Stars and Bars, to be cased. Prior to his death he insisted that he not be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family asked that all veterans attending his funeral not wear their uniforms. Lee understood that the flag was a symbol a failed revolt, and when the revolt was over he put the symbol away. The Stars and Bars now belong in a museum not flying over public buildings.

[macbone]

Here's the Stone Mountain laser/firework show at night. It's pretty bizarre now that I think about it, but as a kid, my grandparents took me a couple of times. There's a train ride and some other attractions around there.

Click image to enlarge.

Here's the Trip Advisor listing for it: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_R ... orgia.html

As a kid, I didn't really think about the Civil War very much. One summer at my grandparents' house, I remember watching The Great Locomotive Chase, a movie about a group of Union soldiers who go behind enemy lines, steal a locomotive, and sabotage as much as they can, and thinking the gray-uniformed guys were the bad guys. I've never even thought about Stone Mountain being something linked to Southern heritage. When I was a kid, the laser show featured what I remember thinking of as "those guys on horses."

There's debate now over whether it needs to be removed or altered to include other famous people from Georgia: http://news.yahoo.com/ga-debates-confed ... 11073.html.

[muy_thaiguy]

Immediately following his surrender at Appomattox, General Robert E. Lee, ordered the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the Stars and Bars, to be cased. Prior to his death he insisted that he not be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family asked that all veterans attending his funeral not wear their uniforms. Lee understood that the flag was a symbol a failed revolt, and when the revolt was over he put the symbol away. The Stars and Bars now belong in a museum not flying over public buildings.

Also, Lee, in contrast to his fellows in the South, would never have fought for the Confederacy had Virginia not seceded. Also a fun fact, unlike many of his Southern contemporaries, Lee believed that blacks should get a good education and even had his wife and her mother set up schools during the Civil War for them (which was illegal in the Confederacy). He wasn't perfect though, as he also believed that freed slaves should not get the right to vote and believed it a "necessary evil" (he had only seen slavery at it's "best", but not the harsh conditions like that of the cotton fields and such).

An interesting person, to be sure. And often cited as a great general, though he fought the Civil War like he had the Union's resources and man power, rather than the South's. Worked for a time, but in the end, it was a bust. Especially after Gettysburg.

[ConfederateSS]

Do you have any sources at all for any of these claims, or is this just a copy/paste from some friend's Facebook post?

Probably the facebook post or some relatively unknown website trying to make excuses for a flag that was flown all of 4 years, until it was flown again to protest the Civil Rights Movement would be my guesses.

I think you miss an important point...
It is not the true history of the flag that is important. It is the current meaning of the flag that matters. As an example: look at the swastika and what it means today vs what it meant for thousands of years. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being."
Many racists have taken up the confederate flag as symbol of their ideology. What many people now see when presented with the confederate flag is "southern, redneck, racist."
For the record, I was born in the south and still live here today...

-----The point is History is important, we all have blood on our hands. In one way or another. Our shit stinks,just like everybody else's. All are public record,if one bothers to look. Like Lincoln,Grant quotes or Delaware's not wanting to let slavery go. As someone said ,how the Japanese feel about the A-bomb droppings. Although The North invaded the South. Japan attacked us first. The South's flags were flown over some Southern cities after the war. As hatred of the North. Like Vicksburg. The Stars and Stripes was not flown at Vicksburg until July 4th,1942 as a show of support for WWII. -----Then there are weird facts,like John Hancock was the first real leader of our country. George Washington was our first elected leader. As for The Confederate Flag...people did fly it at their house etc. after the war. Which is O.K...Not to mention HOLLYWOOD. But on Federal property paid for by US tax dollars. Like a capital building. I don't know how that was allowed. But at a national cemetery,I don't see the harm.
-----As for Conquer Club,it is a war gaming site(not the Better Home and Gardens site).The Confederate Army was a standing army in history(the second largest in the world at that time). Lee was not the only Southern General to drive The Union crazy. The entire Southern Command gave the Union fits. Lee out thought himself at Gettysburg. Not to mention that bad ass shock and awe "REBEL YELL." That scared the shit out of Union soldiers. The weird since of chivalry the South had. I'm from Southwest Detroit. I just like the armies of the Gray and the generals and their strategies. I could careless about their country's politics. I have seen trolls, Roman legions symbols(how many slaves did they have),skulls,The Devil,pics. of video games of people being chopped up. As avatars etc.
-----The Gray armies can lead my imaginary armies into battle anytime anywhere. With CC's dice. One lost cause for another. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... If symbols of war offend people. They probably shouldn't be on a war gaming site. An learn,this is the 21st century. It's time not to take everything so personal. That's a main reason for all the killings taking place everywhere. Every little thing. This bothers me,no this bothers me. Do people ever ask themselves? Hey,what doesn't bother me. People might live longer that way.....

[jonesthecurl]

Isa this quote genuine? If so it's pretty indicative.

The white supremacist who designed the Confederacy’s flag(s), one William T. Thompson, was proud to admit that “As a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.”

[ConfederateSS]

The white supremacist who designed the Confederacy’s flag(s), one William T. Thompson,

-----W.T. Thompson ONLY DESIGNED. THE SECOND NATIONAL FLAG..."The Stainless Banner." He tried to express his personal views in it...Confederates didn't like it,because it looked liked a flag of truce. He didn't design the Dixie Battle Flag...which has become a symbol used wrongly by idiots. General P.G.T. Beauregard did.....I'm giving Betsy Ross credit for "The Stars and Bars",since they ripped off her design...The Stars and Stripes...
-----Any symbol can have any meaning. Such as, when the young Von Trapp girl turns to her father. Says,"PaPa, why is there a spider on the flag." Looking up at the crooked cross flag. Imagine if we all could see the world in it's simplest form. Instead of making everything so complex and meaningful....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[targetman377]

-----I'll write it hear,but it covers GD and OT... It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.--Ben.Franklin....

-Instead of being critical of people in authority over you and envious of their position, be happy you're not responsible for everything they have to do. Instead of piling on complaints, thank them for what they do. Overwhelm them with encouragement and appreciation!
Joyce Meyer see i can do it too!!!

-----The last battle of The Civil War. Was a Confederate Victory!

yes the Battle of Palmito Ranch can be interpreted as a Confederate win.. Could job confederates. you won a battle a month after General lee surrendered to Grant.. also on top of that Lee had the majority of troops 28,000 troops the battle of Palmito there was only 300. Now if your fighting a war I think a loss of 28,000 troops surrendering has a lot more impact on the over all war. A simple battle in Texas after the cause was pretty much over between a total of 900 troops on both sides is more of a little spat then anything with no real significance.

-----The Star Spangled Banner--was written by a Southerner..

.And the song is song to a British drinking song... your point? also the in the war of 1812 you may or may not remember we where still one country. Also if you talk to most historians about how they veiw early america they will say there are 3 unique parts the north, south and middle The middle consisting OF Maryland where Francis was from So he was not from the south. There are reasons historians do not lump them into south because there economy was much more industrialist then that of the south.. and there economies was not at the same based upon shipping in manufacturing it was a mixture of both.

-----Dixie--was written by a Northerner...

Dixie was written by a northern yes for a black face show.. however. The dixi that was song in the south during the civil war had lyrics changed to better show there pride in Dixieland. Also many in the south embraced the song and sang it at political rallies.

-----The Style of this Confederacy shall be"The United States of America." Our country started with the Articles of Confederation. Making us all Confederates. The Sons of Liberty started Americans on the path of being "Rebels". As long as an American walks the face of The Earth. The Honor of being a Rebel/Confederate lives...

Well yes we started under the Articles of Confederation However there is a number of reasons why we don't have it anymore. Reason 1. Economy.. rampant inflation was happening in each state. since each of the state printed there own money... they also would not accept money from other states due to inflation. so you see commerce is hard to do when your Confederacy all have diffract currencies. 2. States where not following congress instruction. It was hard for congress to adopt a trade treaty with any country as all it took was one state to say no.. this also made the influence of america start out on very shaky ground as foreigners could use or disunity against us. The government could not promote its protect the western boarder due to states not paying their dues to the federal government. basically it was a UN style government.(this is not a dis on un however it is very effective government.

-----America hit an entire race with Manifest Destiny....Lincoln used slavery as a tactic. To keep France and England out of the Civil War. From joining the South's cause. Lincoln also argued,it would be "better for us both,therefore,to be separated",when blacks gained their freedom. On a plan for colonization in Central America. To give a preview of what you are about to read. The part of Delaware is most scary. Not to mention Northern and Boarder States were not effected by Lincoln's attempt to free the slaves in the South. No matter what happened. Slavery would have ended. As it was dying out around the world. A Confederate States of America,would have gotten rid of slavery. By the on set of The 20th century. With or without a war...

first off while this is true. He was also the one who stated at the start he would gladly accept the southern states back in the union if they promised that slavery would not move west but stay only in the states that had them. However after years of war and speaking with abolitionist he changed his mind and lobbed congress to pass the 13th 14th and 15th amendment. He helped push through with the help of congress. So yes moving African Americans out of the country was considered by some a middle ground.. it please the abolitionist and the slavery owners. Many politicians before this also held similar beliefs. also As the last part that is just Plain speculative history. A true historian stays far way from the if this would have happened if this had not happened statements.

------------Confederate History---Dispelling the Myths---by The SCV-----
History books,the media,the school systems etc..abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate History. This fact sheet will help clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH--The War of 1861-1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT-- Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession. Lincoln was asked,"Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied,"I can't let them go. Who will pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North. Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the war to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

Well actually it was fought for many reasons.. for example It was fought over states rights, slavery, economies, how big the federal government and many more reasons For example soldier part of the 54th masscutes probely fought to end slavery. some soldiers fraught cause it was considered there duty. The fact of the matter a war is fought by soldiers and there are always a multitude of reasons for why they fight. at the higher end you could make the same claim about the south who feared losing slavery would wreak there economy. as the economy in the south was based on slavery. he could also be seen as the south thinking they lost there voice in the Federal government. due to the changing congress towards more votes in favor of northern ideas. However the main reason it was fought was over slavery ever issue stated above came through in slavery the south feeling they could no longer protect that institution. The south felt it would ruin there economy if there was not free labor at there disposal. for the moral right.

MYTH--Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT--Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to,during and even after the War of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves,who were only freed after the 13th Amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier. Grant stated,"Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily,Confederate General Robert E.LEE freed his slaves(which he never purchased-they were inherited by his wife,none other than George Washington's granddaughter.) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves three years before the war was over,and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war. When the South was obliterating the Yankee armies.
Lastly,and most importantly,why did Northern States outlaw slavery only after the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the South! NOT the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the State of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it(13th Amendment/free the slaves) until 1901!!!

Oh good point now lets also talk about what states did not allow slavery when they freed there slaves and yes some had gradual emanicaptions. which might have lasted 20 years after the date. New Jersey 1787 Pennsylvania 1787 Connecticut 1788 Massachusetts 1788 New Hampshire 1788 New York 1788 Rhode Island 1790 Vermont 1791 Ohio 1803 As you can see a good 60 years before the south... now saying this the contention that Delaware did not ratify the 13th amendment. was by The Constitution it did not need to it was much more a formality as it was already passed by 3/4ths of the states and was added to the constitution so it was by defacto law. You may know not ever state has to agree on an adment just a morjority.

MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT-- NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or the Southern Nation ever flew on a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slave ships. The English,the Dutch and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country,not the South Nation.
But,even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal,Yankee,Union ships brought slaves to America! These were from New England States,and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships,many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.

ACtually why yes they did not carry slaves due to the Constition which made it illiagal to ship more slave into the country from other countries.. in 1807 and the south was ok with this due to them protecting the value of their property as they saw it. and yes it still did happen however it was illiagel and people went to jail for smuggling slaves.

This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelming portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag represented the South Nation.
FACT-- Not true While the Southern Battle Flag was carried into battle,the Southern Nation had 3 different National Flags during the course of the war.
The First National Flag--was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National Flag--was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National Flag--was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag--was never a National Flag of the Confederacy.It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used by a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

yes good point.. however again it is what ideals people attach to the flag now a days. again this does not mean wipe it from history far from it we should ship them to museums to teach our childeren how america became america thourgh think and thin. through good and bad so that they may not make the same mistakes we have made.

MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the"Stars and Bars".
FACT--A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars and Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as"The Southern Cross".
MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT--The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A Battle Flag. It was never even a National flag,so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that vilify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.

actually i would argue it does there is someone out there that feels the flag is a racism dipiction just as some see the american flag as a sighn for obression, and subjacation you cannot say there is no one in the world that feels this way. as you know represantations is based on personal experance

MYTH--The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT--No chance.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.

again in the eye of the beholder

MYTH--Abraham Lincoln was The Great Emancipator.
FACT--While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator,many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the War was over. Knowing that African Society would never allow he slaves to return back to Africa,Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conductive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening,was his assassination.

again this is pure speculation if he would have or not or if he would have changed his mind is known as the emancipator for the reason that he lobbied congress and championed freedom from slavery. so yes he did a great job

MYTH--The South revered slavery.
FACT--A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861-1865 officially commenced,the Southern States were actually in process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859,and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South,a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

again speculation history and real historians do not conjectural about what could have happened.

MYTH--The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT--Very far from the true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then,as now,very few rich men ever fight a war.

correct but then again... i have never heard otherwise.. i mean yes there was a very large rich people down south with lots of slaves. however the majority of the people did not have slaves... But again i never been taught otherwise. so don't know why this is in there this is common sense.

MYTH--Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT--Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will ,joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally,men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental,Mexican&Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today,many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation,The Confederacy,and her Symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.

yes there are some fought with the south for a promise of freedom other where forced to fight by there masters. agian if any country if a country need man power they will draw from anywhere.

MYTH--The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan,KKK and hate groups.
FACT--Quite the contrary. These despicable organizations such as the KKK and the Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of History,and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups,and pridefully boast HERITAGE---NOT HATE.

did you know symbols change on how they are preserved over time. based on current thinking it does sorry it happened to your symbol tell that to monks in India who had the swastika taken from them they know how you feel.

MYTH--The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist hate group.
FACT--This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a Historical,patriotic and non political organization comprised of descendants of Confederate Soldiers and Sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861-1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of The Confederate Soldiers as well the motives for his suffering and sacrifice. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.

well so far you have showed a very baised take on history and you know not all that historical as a true historian would view cause you do alot of this could have happened in your argument.

[warmonger1981]

It was common practice to say that negros were 3\5 human beings. It was even in educational books.

[ConfederateSS]

----Target..I didn't write the Myths and Facts...THE SCV did.....The stuff before that I did..those can be my quotes....But Lincoln, on Central America is a true statement..Look it up.As was Grant's. I know most Americans wouldn't want to hear such a thing.. But It still doesn't take away the job Lincoln pulled off. Holding America together. Just a little light on the man.
----Warmonger....Yes ,it is true...Whites were thought of as 5/5 Human...100%....Blacks 3/5 Human...60%....Indians were 0/5 Human...0%.... thought of as savages,hunted down like wolfs or bears.. One more sad part in our Glorious History... That's the saddest part of all. That people could label one another in such fashion. Almost as bad as The Government labeling us today..as...African American,Latin American,Asian American,etc.etc...when a US passport just says US citizen on it...Why can't we just all be American period,once and for all? In the government's and everyone's eyes. The rest of the world hates us. But at least they just hate us for being American. They could careless what we look like. Or who we are. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[warmonger1981]

Is it racist to describe a person by their skin color? Isn't that the beginning of segregation or dividing citizens? We all are humans. I see it like the left\right paradigm. Why does a way of thinking have to be categorized? Can't we all just have ideologies or thoughts?

[targetman377]

----Target..I didn't write the Myths and Facts...THE SCV did.....The stuff before that I did..those can be my quotes....But Lincoln, on Central America is a true statement..Look it up.As was Grant's. I know most Americans wouldn't want to hear such a thing.. But It still doesn't take away the job Lincoln pulled off. Holding America together. Just a little light on the man.

I never contradicted that point i just stated that it was considered a middle ground by many politicians. Also are history is filled with many tragedies but it is also filled with many stories of happiness!

[tzor]

I find the arguments of why the civil war was started fascinating but totally missing the point. The real question was "who" stated the Civil War, and I don't mean which side, but who were the people so politically motivated as to strongly push, day and night, for a break between the southern states and the Federal government in Washington DC. This is an easy question to answer and from this answer flows all the other answers.

Answer: It was the "Fire Eaters" of the South that pushed for and got Southern States to secede.

In United States history in the 1850s, the Fire-Eaters were a group of extremist pro-slavery Southern Democrat politicians who urged the separation of southern states into a new nation, which became known as the Confederate States of America. The dean of the group was Robert Barnwell Rhett of South Carolina. They sought to reopen the international slave trade, which had been illegal since 1808.

In the later half of the 1850s, the group reemerged. They used several recent events for propaganda, among them "Bleeding Kansas" and the Sumner-Brooks Affair, to accuse the North of trying to abolish slavery immediately. Using effective propaganda against 1860 presidential candidate Abraham Lincoln, the Fire-Eaters were able to convince many southerners of this false accusation. They first targeted South Carolina, which passed an article of secession in December 1860. Wigfall, for one, actively encouraged an attack on Fort Sumter to prompt Virginia and other upper Southern States to secede as well. The Fire-Eaters helped to unleash a chain reaction that eventually led to the formation of the Confederate States of America and to the American Civil War. Their influence waned quickly after the start of major fighting.

This is the reason. It is important to note that after the fighting broke out, the promoters of the cause lost influence. The original purposes of the war, slavery on the part of the Fire Eaters who promoted it in the South, and the indissolubility of the Union, as was promoted by Lincoln in the North waxed and waned over the course of the war and eventually flipflopped so that the Northern cause was slavery and the Southern cause was secession for the sake of secession. Both arguments, of course fall flat on their faces (the irony of Lincoln freeing only the slaves in the states under the Confederacy and not in the then slave states in the Union is lost on most historians just as the fact that for all the objections to the Federal Government with the exception of emphasizing slavery over and over, the Constitution of the Confederacy was mostly, word for word, the same as the government they seceded from).

But the cause of the war is not always the cause of the people and the cause of the men who fought the war. Just as every German who fought in the armies of WWII (especially those who were sent to the brutal eastern front) were not fighting to kill Jews, men who fought for their States in the South were not trying to spread slavery throughout the entire Union (which was actually the result of the Supreme Court, in one of many moronic decisions it would make in the course of history).