Congratulations people of Crimea

[mrswdk]

You do realize that 40% of so-called Chinese are in fact Mongols, right?

Eh? Almost all people of Chinese nationality are Han Chinese.

[Qwert]

nothing active going in Crimea, according from CNN-BBC-Al Jazzera-TNYT-TWP. Consider all this, its look that Crimea are closed case, and all now its turned to Donetsk and Eastern Ukraine, so i will also move to Donetsk topic.
Now moderators could move this to archive, win for Russia.

[saxitoxin]

Qwert is right, this discussion is over. As shown by the agreement, Russia won and the west was defeated / humiliated. Within 90 days the "sanctions" will be quietly lifted (at 5 p.m. on a Friday) and it will be business as usual. Consequently, this issue is no longer current events, but is history and for historians to debate. A moment of celebration and then close the thread.

The Ukraine and the Crimea, Belarus and Moldova
That is my country!
Sakhalin and Kamchatka and Ural mountains
That is my country!
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia and Volga,
Kazakhstan and the Caucasus, and the Baltic states too!

Now Europe is trying to form a union,
But in the past our ancestors struggled in battle,
Together we won the Second World War!
Together we are the world’s biggest nation,
Dissolve the borders, there’s no need of passports,
Without us you’re nothing, but united we’re friends!

[Baron Von PWN]

Russia is not a former colonial power, aside from the limited case of the treaty ports. Even the conquest of Siberia integrated the local populations into the Russian nation, and that was the last even pseudo colonial thing and it was 400 years ago. Russia has never attacked anyone who wasn't asking for it.

Saxi you are very incorect here. Central Asia and the north Caucasus were occupied/colonized by Russia much more recently than 400 years ago. Russia's attitude in the north caucusus, arguably, continues to be fairly colonial even today.

[BigBallinStalin]

According to the Heritage Foundation's summary of some Civil Rights organization's report,
only 15% of the eligible Crimean population supported the annexation. 30% of the eligible population participated.

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/05/07/rea ... ium=social


('course, only about 33% of eligible American voters supported Obama--even smaller proportions support their respective congress members, but you hardly hear people complaining about the illegitimacy of such a system).



Unsurprisingly, the Heritage article recommends a more interventionist stance--economic sanctions, build more missiles on Russian borders, etc.

[saxitoxin]

According to the Heritage Foundation's summary of some Civil Rights organization's report,
only 15% of the eligible Crimean population supported the annexation. 30% of the eligible population participated.

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/05/07/rea ... ium=social


('course, only about 33% of eligible American voters supported Obama--even smaller proportions support their respective congress members, but you hardly hear people complaining about the illegitimacy of such a system).



Unsurprisingly, the Heritage article recommends a more interventionist stance--economic sanctions, build more missiles on Russian borders, etc.

I LOL'ed

Groups like the Heritage Foundation have been yelling that Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship where dissent is untolerated and nothing the Government of Russia says can be believed. They then quote - as fact - a publicly published report by an official Russian government agency (the Council on Civil Society and Human Rights is a presidential advisory body established in 2011 by the State Duma) that criticizes GoR practices. The Council is the same body that has published reports about human rights atrocities committed by the Kiev government; claims groups like the Heritage Foundation has rejected! So is the GoR believable or not? Or are they believable when they say things we like and unbelievable when they say things we dislike?

The hypocrisy of the west, for its sheer audacity, deserves an award of some type.

(I also like how they refer to it as a "leaked" report ... even though it was posted on a public GoR website and is, in fact, still live and online on said website. Though, the best part is the comments section. None of the Heritagites pick-up on these facts and the discussion quickly derails into arguments about which commenter is most Christian.)

[warmonger1981]

Ah white power always wins any conflicts.

[Phatscotty]

Who said this?

"If Obama is elected, Russia will move into Ukraine"

Probably someone that edited their post.

Sarah Palin

[waauw]

Who said this?

"If Obama is elected, Russia will move into Ukraine"

Probably someone that edited their post.

Sarah Palin

Lol, who the hell listens to Sarah Palin?

[warmonger1981]

That doesn't matter if anyone listened she was correct. Maybe someone should have listened. Kind of like Mitt Romney saying Russia s a treat.

[waauw]

That doesn't matter if anyone listened she was correct. Maybe someone should have listened. Kind of like Mitt Romney saying Russia s a treat.

To be fair:
A. Russia was provoked
B. Putin is obviously not out for antagonizing another major war.

From my point of view, it's more like american politicians trying to hold on to american hegemony.

[a6mzero]

i think the poles would beg to differ about the fact Russia has never attacked anyone unless they were provoked. The was one of the most asinine statements ever written on this site, minus all of saxi's posts.

[a6mzero]

Also see[Mongolia,Ukraine,Belaurus,Kazihtyn,Baltic states,Finnish territories, Swedish territories, Bessurbia,Northern Bukarin,all eastern European countries,afgan,Turkey].

[warmonger1981]

Waauw wrote
From my point of view, it's more like american politicians trying to hold on to american hegemony.

Re. Nothing new. Been doing it since this country started.


Waauw wrote
B. Putin is obviously not out for antagonizing another major war.

Putin military is no match for American military. Maybe if China and Russia teamed up thgey could take America.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... t8AMA76ILQ

Ukraine
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 0fzMiml2Cw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... hzllDoD-2Q

[waauw]

Putin military is no match for American military. Maybe if China and Russia teamed up they could take America.

Does that matter? They're strong enough to make any victory pyrrhic.
Also I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

i think the poles would beg to differ about the fact Russia has never attacked anyone unless they were provoked. The was one of the most asinine statements ever written on this site, minus all of saxi's posts.

Nowehere was I talking about the entirety of history. This topic is about Crimea and in extension contemporary Russia.

[warmonger1981]

Why would it not matter? They could still win? Everyone has different opinions on how much is to much when it comes to costs of war. Russia and China are doing joint military training together. That looks to me as if they might team up against American hegemony Both countries are finding ways to leave the dollar.. America is both China and Russia biggest threat not the other way. America can do whatever it wants. China and Russia can't.

[waauw]

Why would it not matter? They could still win? Everyone has different opinions on how much is to much when it comes to costs of war. Russia and China are doing joint military training together. That looks to me as if they might team up against American hegemony Both countries are finding ways to leave the dollar.. America is both China and Russia biggest threat not the other way. America can do whatever it wants. China and Russia can't.

I don't understand what kind of point you're trying to make, considering I don't give a f*ck about american hegemony.

[warmonger1981]

Then why bring it up in the discussion?

Waauw wrote...From my point of view, it's more like american politicians trying to hold on to american hegemony.



If you don't care then why is it in your head ? If you think Russia was going to give up military bases in Crimea your dead wrong as the evidence is in the pudding. America is trying to stake out as much territory as possible whether it be by military,political or economic means.

[waauw]

Then why bring it up in the discussion?

Waauw wrote...From my point of view, it's more like american politicians trying to hold on to american hegemony.



If you don't care then why is it in your head ? If you think Russia was going to give up military bases in Crimea your dead wrong as the evidence is in the pudding. America is trying to stake out as much territory as possible whether it be by military,political or economic means.

I brought it up because your comment about Mitt Romney says the Russians are a danger to the western world, while in fact the Russians have been acting nothing but defensive of themselves and their own people abroad. I completely agree with Putin in regards of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine and I never said Russia was going to give up its bases. The US and in extension NATO is more of a danger to peace than Russia.

That doesn't matter if anyone listened she was correct. Maybe someone should have listened. Kind of like Mitt Romney saying Russia s a treat.