American atrocities

[Army of GOD]

discuss

I went with all 4

[KoolBak]

Shall we discuss what LED to option #3?

[Army of GOD]

Shall we discuss what LED to option #2?

racism?

[KoolBak]

Was thinking more like....

[Army of GOD]

what does that have to do with Native Americans...

[Army of GOD]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

[Doc_Brown]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

There is a position that attacks on civilians are immoral regardless of the end results. That said, 7-8 million Chinese civilians killed by the Japanese is perhaps a better justification than the Pearl Harbor attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

[KoolBak]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Not "justifying" shit...Hioroshima / Nagasaki wouldn't have happened had they not blindsided us. They start it, we finish. Hawaii's been pretty damn nice since then.....

You f*ck with my kid, I'll kill everyone related to you....seems a valid detriment to initial aggression

[targetman377]

BUT why no Cecile???

[notyou2]

Y'all are atrocious

[patches70]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Not justifying anything, it is what it is, total war. WWII was probably the last total war fought and is why it was so horrible. In total war civilians are legitimate targets because the civilians are the ones who are producing the war materials used by the enemy's armies.

No one would bat an eye if an army bombed a munitions factory even if the munitions factory employed civilians. Unlike today, it was much more the case back in WWII that civilians played a huge role in a nation's ability to wage war. The Japanese would be just as justified bombing and killing as many Rosie the Riveter's that they could after all, because it would hamper the American ability to wage war.

Viewing the past in terms of today's morality and understanding without considering the mindset at the time is a trip down fantasy lane.


Morality has no place in anything to do with total war. Be thankful that we don't fight like that anymore because the next time nations engage in total war on the scale of WWII means that nukes will be flying and detonating in major population centers around the world.


Since you are going to use wiki you should consider this entry as well when making bullshit moral judgments-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

[warmonger1981]

This is racist.

[Dukasaur]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Not "justifying" shit...Hioroshima / Nagasaki wouldn't have happened had they not blindsided us. They start it, we finish. Hawaii's been pretty damn nice since then.....

You f*ck with my kid, I'll kill everyone related to you....seems a valid detriment to initial aggression

It would be, except FDR knowingly and deliberately backed them into a corner where they would have to attack or see the complete collapse of their economy within 3 months. Nobody in Japan wanted war with the U.S., they just didn't see any other choice.

FDR desperately wanted war, but Congress wasn't interested, so his only option was to stay on course with provoking the Japanese. Choking off their supply of oil was the last straw. Japan does not have one drop of domestic oil production; once the embargo took full force they had ninety days to capture the Indonesian oil fields or step back 100 years to pre-industrial times. There was no doubt that the oil embargo would lead to war, and thus would enable FDR to ship the nation's unemployed men overseas and conceal the absolute failure of the New Deal. Every death from Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima was for the purpose of getting the unemployment rate in the U.S. back down to single digits.

[a6mzero]

Coup.bullshit

[Metsfanmax]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Do you consider the firebombing of Tokyo morally different than the firebombing of Dresden?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Not "justifying" shit...Hioroshima / Nagasaki wouldn't have happened had they not blindsided us. They start it, we finish. Hawaii's been pretty damn nice since then.....

You f*ck with my kid, I'll kill everyone related to you....seems a valid detriment to initial aggression

Except, couched within option 3 is the fact they put Americans (of Asian descent) in internment camps simply because of their race. They committed no crime.

-TG

[Army of GOD]

assuming you're talking about option 3, after some quick Wikipediaing:

Pearl Harbor: 2,403 (military) killed + 68 civilians killed
Operation Meetinghouse (two day firebombing of Tokyo): Estimated 100,000 killed


how can you possibly justify the actions

Do you consider the firebombing of Tokyo morally different than the firebombing of Dresden?

Yes and no.

[ConfederateSS]

-----ARMY...Were you inspired by Mr. British Blend and my discussion of A-bombs. In Sym.,Img.and fl...in the GD....? ----What? The Stars and Stripes has blood on it...America isn't perfect, like History books teach our kids... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[riskllama]

pretty fuckin' far from perfect, i'd say. shall we roll out the laundry list for the CIA here, or should I start a new thread?
their douchebaggery is limitless, it seems...

[ConfederateSS]

pretty fuckin' far from perfect, i'd say. shall we roll out the laundry list for the CIA here, or should I start a new thread?
their douchebaggery is limitless, it seems...

------No,need for a list...The US media/Hollywood/churches do a well enough job already... ConfederateSS(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...I think of "Inherit the Wind"...When ever someone tries to teach Americans about their real History...Or when the government tries to hide the truth...The Americans lick it up...

[warmonger1981]

This thread is basically saying America is racist. Where's the atrocities on white/Caucasians category?

[mrswdk]

What the Japanese did in China and Korea was ridiculous, comparable to the Nazis in Europe, but arguing that atomic bombing hundreds of thousands of civilians is okay because their government did nasty things first is elementary school retarded.

[ConfederateSS]

----If you go to your GD thread...symbols....A Britt is defending Japan(I guess he doesn't know about,British P.O.W.'s/civilians and the time they spent with the Japanese.)......Truman did the right thing...If Germany or Japan had the bomb first....They would have used it on us. But to call Pearl Harbor, A sneak attack. Is St.Upid as hell... Who announces they are attacking(Other than Custer )? Nice PR move FDR! ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)......Comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harbor is just as St.Upid. Pearl Harbor was a military target. ...I do give the 9/11ers credit for hitting the Pentagon. But they used civilians, so their attempt is void...9/11 is more like THE UNION attacks on Vicksburg,Atlanta etc..now we are talking civilians. Sherman did his best work against civilians,in his march to the sea....