Syria is BOILING

[GoranZ]

IDK how much Russia will be involved in the fighting... If they use the same strategy as with Chechen wars, half of Syrian population will disappear from Syria, and they will have to replace Allahu Akbar with Ya Allah Sa'edna - God help us in Arabic.

[GabonX]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

[saxitoxin]

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

kinda like the U.S. war in Vietnam, IIRC

[patches70]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

The world has changed since the Soviet Afghan war, but at the time Afghanistan was indeed bordered with Russia.
<shrugs>
So I don't think Saxi is wrong in this case. It has been a long time since Russia deployed to a non border country. It will be very interesting to she how she fares. Regardless, even in the US people and politicians are calling for the "annihilation of ISIS" so we should be applauding the Russians, they are about to bring a can of whoop ass to the crazy bastards that are ISIS.

[saxitoxin]

The Daily Beast is also saying Russian ground forces are heading to Syria. Looks like the Israel-ISIS alliance may have bitten off more than it can chew -

In the past few years, the Israelis have not only downed Syrian aircraft, obliterated Syrian artillery-fire targets following shelling into the occupied Golan Heights, and quietly armed and liaised with Syrian rebels; they have also bombed expensive Russian-made weaponry housed by the Assad regime, including Yakhont anti-ship missiles and, quite possibly, S-300 anti-aircraft systems.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... syria.html

That's okay. Russians have always , as this documentary shows, been kind and polite to Zionists (until they get out of hand).

[patches70]

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

kinda like the U.S. war in Vietnam, IIRC

People brought up Vietnam leading up to the US' actions in the first gulf war. At the time Iraq had the 8th largest army in the world and our combat doctrine (changed from Vietnam days) was untested on such a scale. The US military performed spectacularly.

It will probably be the same for the Russians, they've learned from their mistakes in Afghanistan just like the US learned from her mistakes in Vietnam. And Syria ain't Afghanistan, far from it. There are few places on Earth to fight that are worse conditions than Afghanistan and the Afghan people historically are probably the toughest peoples in the history of civilization to fight a war against. Even Alexander the Great couldn't bear the Afghans and neither the US or Russia have any Alexanders in their ranks. Hell, I think the Afghans invented the idea of revenge (haha).
Naw, Syria ain't Afghanistan, the Russians outclass ISIS by massive degrees. I know I'll be watching with interested eyes to see how well Russia's military fares. I predict they'll dominate the Islamic State like a pimp beating his stable of whores.

[muy_thaiguy]

Although Russia is sending in troops, it's a very small number from the sounds of it.

[saxitoxin]

Naw, Syria ain't Afghanistan, the Russians outclass ISIS by massive degrees. I know I'll be watching with interested eyes to see how well Russia's military fares. I predict they'll dominate the Islamic State like a pimp beating his stable of whores.

This. You have the world's oldest civilization (Syria) and Europe's oldest civilization (Russia) teaming-up to take-on a bunch of religious nuts who have no ethnic culture and simply ape and appropriate those of other peoples (ISIS and Israel); history is self-correcting and repeating and an army with history on its side is starting three squares ahead.

I really hope the IDF girl-force accidentally strays over the border when the Russians are there fighting ISIS. They can barely defend themselves against homemade Qassam rockets built by high school students with junkyard parts, would love to see them try to stop a single barrage from a TOS-1 battery -

[GabonX]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

at the time Afghanistan was indeed bordered with Russia.

It wasn't.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

kinda like the U.S. war in Vietnam, IIRC

Exactly.

[Dukasaur]

Communists and jihadists shooting each other! Win-win. Let's hope the conflict is long and the body count is high!

[warmonger1981]

Any possibility that American forces accidentally attacks Russian forces or vice versa? Are there any American forces in Syria?

[patches70]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

at the time Afghanistan was indeed bordered with Russia.

It wasn't.

Yes it was, Gabonx. The USSR bordered Afghanistan until the USSR broke up in 1991. The Russian Afghan war was fought between 1979-1989.

All those other Kazitstan and other stans weren't countries until after 1991.
Afghan was definitely bordered with Russia in 1979.

[GabonX]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

at the time Afghanistan was indeed bordered with Russia.

It wasn't.

Yes it was, Gabonx. The USSR bordered Afghanistan until the USSR broke up in 1991. The Russian Afghan war was fought between 1979-1989.

All those other Kazitstan and other stans weren't countries until after 1991.
Afghan was definitely bordered with Russia in 1979.

They were "Autonomous RepUblics" with independent functioning governments alligned within the USSR. Not every country aligned with the USSR was "Russia." By your logic East Germany was part of Russia too, which of course is ridiculous.

Seriously, get off of Saxi's dick. I know you like to agree with everything he says, but not even he is arguing this point.

[Dukasaur]

at the time Afghanistan was indeed bordered with Russia.

It wasn't.

Yes it was, Gabonx. The USSR bordered Afghanistan until the USSR broke up in 1991. The Russian Afghan war was fought between 1979-1989.

All those other Kazitstan and other stans weren't countries until after 1991.
Afghan was definitely bordered with Russia in 1979.

They were "Autonomous RepUblics" with independent functioning governments alligned within the USSR. Not every country aligned with the USSR was "Russia." By your logic East Germany was part of Russia too, which of course is ridiculous.

Seriously, get off of Saxi's dick. I know you like to agree with everything he says, but not even he is arguing this point.

Sorry, Gabby. I usually agree with you, but in this case you're wrong. The "autonomous republics" were autonomous in name only. All decisions of any significance were made in the Kremlin. Until perestroika, Tajikistan etc was Russia just as certainly as if it it had been an address on Gorky Street.

[patches70]

The soviet Union before the breakup, Gabby, in green with aligned countries not colored (as you can see, East Germany there and even Poland not included in the USSR border)-



You see Afghanistan there? Bordered right up against the USSR.

Your argument is like saying Mexico isn't bordered with the US because it actually borders Texas.

All those "autonomous Republics" signed a treaty in 1922 to form one country, the USSR or commonly known the Soviet Union. One country dude, until 1991 when the Soviet Union broke up and until then the Soviet Union certainly bordered Afghanistan.

This is the last I'll say of the matter, its basic geography and history. No one can force you to accept reality.

[RiskTycoon]

Can I get one of those graphics pre March 30, 1867? That would be more fun to throw out there!

[GabonX]

There seems to be some confusion here distinguishing between Russia, the USSR/Soviet Union, and the satellite states like Kazakhstan. To clarify, the USSR does not equal "Russia." Russia was a part of the USSR, the single largest nation in the union, and the seat of power, but not every part of the "USSR" is "Russia." A wiki map showing the border's of the USSR does not negate the fact that there were multiple regions inside the greater Union of nations that comprised Soviet Union, as displayed below.



Kazakhstan is not Russia, and wasn't Russia in the 1980s either. They are different places.

[GabonX]

Your argument is like saying Mexico isn't bordered with the US because it actually borders Texas.

For the record, this is retarded on multiple levels, not the least of which being that the US Mexico border extends beyond Texas...

Saying that Kazakhstan and the other satellite states were part of Russia because they were member states of the Soviet Union is like saying that France, Britain, Norway etc. are part of the United States because they're member states of NATO.

[saxitoxin]

So anyway, long story short, this is ...

the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War

if, by "Russian" you mean "Russians," and if by "border country" you mean Russia or the state of which it is the legal successor.

Back to the topic, the Telegraph today reports regular mechanized troops of the RF are now fighting alongside the Syrian Arab Army against the McCain Moderates (AKA ISIS) -

Russian troops are fighting alongside pro-Assad forces in Syria, state television in Damascus and several reports have claimed. The video footage claimed to show troops and a Russian armoured vehicle fighting Syrian rebels alongside President Bashar al-Assad's troops in Latakia. It is reportedly possible to hear Russian being spoken by the troops in the footage. And a Russian naval vessel was photographed heading south through the Bosphorus strait carrying large amounts of military equipment, according to social media and a shipping blog.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ebels.html

[GoranZ]

Russian jets in Syrian skies... its official, the Russians joined in the fighting in Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 68,00.html

Will China join in eventually?

f*ck YEAH! This just made my day.

Am I wrong or is this the first overt Russian deployment to a non border country since the Yom Kipper War?

THE BEAR IS BACK, BABY!

You're wrong like usual.

Howed the Russian war in Afghanistan go again?

Seems like you dont know why Russians arrive in Syria...
1. From now on there will be no Israeli excursions in Syrian territory. No one admitted officially but Israel was wiping out every Syrian force that was fighting against ISIS close to Israeli border.
2. As a result of 1, probably very soon whole unstable region between Damascus and Israeli border will be under Syrian rule.
3. Fighting in eastern Syria will continue for some time.

Communists and jihadists shooting each other! Win-win. Let's hope the conflict is long and the body count is high!

Enjoy reading the next article about organization very similar to Islamic State and Russians but be careful, you might choke with your own champagne.

In late September 1985, pro-Iranian Shiites put the snatch on four attaches from the Russian Embassy in Beirut and warned that the hostages would be executed, one by one, unless the Soviets persuaded pro-Syrian militiamen to stop shelling Hezbollah strongholds in the Lebanese port city of Tripoli.
On that occasion, the "Oppressed of the Earth" were billing themselves as agents of the hitherto unknown "Islamic Liberation Organization," but the KBG had no doubts about who they really were.
Although the Soviets attempted to open channels for quiet negotiations, there was no let-up in the shellings. Only two days after the kidnappings, the body of one of the four hostages was found, shot through the head, on a Beirut trash dump.
So much for quiet negotiations. Having gotten the message, the Soviets decided to send one back.
KGB agents ran the name of a prominent Hezbollah leader through their computers and came up with the name and address of one of his closest blood relatives. They then kidnapped the kinsman, castrated him, and sent his severed organs to the Hezbollah honcho.
The package was accompanied by a terse cover note indicating that the KGB had the names of other close relatives and that Hezbollah could expect more such deliveries unless the three remaining hostages were freed forthwith.
It didn't take much time for Hezbollah to realize it was dealing with a different breed of "Great Satan." The three surviving hostages were dropped off only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy from a late-model BMW that couldn't drive away fast enough.
Gorbachev didn't call a press conference to brag about what bad-asses his boys were, but Hezbollah obviously concluded that challenging the Russians could lead to more painful consequences than simply losing face.
It's worth noting that this was the last anyone ever heard of the "Islamic Liberation Organization."
By not-so-remarkable coincidence, it was also the last time Hezbollah ever messed with any Soviets in Lebanon.

source: Kidnap A Soviet? Well . . . Shiite Moslems Tried It In Lebanon - Once

You think Russians dont know how to deal with Jihadists? Think again

[Dukasaur]

Communists and jihadists shooting each other! Win-win. Let's hope the conflict is long and the body count is high!

Enjoy reading the next article about organization very similar to Islamic State and Russians but be careful, you might choke with your own champagne.

In late September 1985, pro-Iranian Shiites put the snatch on four attaches from the Russian Embassy in Beirut and warned that the hostages would be executed, one by one, unless the Soviets persuaded pro-Syrian militiamen to stop shelling Hezbollah strongholds in the Lebanese port city of Tripoli.
On that occasion, the "Oppressed of the Earth" were billing themselves as agents of the hitherto unknown "Islamic Liberation Organization," but the KBG had no doubts about who they really were.
Although the Soviets attempted to open channels for quiet negotiations, there was no let-up in the shellings. Only two days after the kidnappings, the body of one of the four hostages was found, shot through the head, on a Beirut trash dump.
So much for quiet negotiations. Having gotten the message, the Soviets decided to send one back.
KGB agents ran the name of a prominent Hezbollah leader through their computers and came up with the name and address of one of his closest blood relatives. They then kidnapped the kinsman, castrated him, and sent his severed organs to the Hezbollah honcho.
The package was accompanied by a terse cover note indicating that the KGB had the names of other close relatives and that Hezbollah could expect more such deliveries unless the three remaining hostages were freed forthwith.
It didn't take much time for Hezbollah to realize it was dealing with a different breed of "Great Satan." The three surviving hostages were dropped off only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy from a late-model BMW that couldn't drive away fast enough.
Gorbachev didn't call a press conference to brag about what bad-asses his boys were, but Hezbollah obviously concluded that challenging the Russians could lead to more painful consequences than simply losing face.
It's worth noting that this was the last anyone ever heard of the "Islamic Liberation Organization."
By not-so-remarkable coincidence, it was also the last time Hezbollah ever messed with any Soviets in Lebanon.

source: Kidnap A Soviet? Well . . . Shiite Moslems Tried It In Lebanon - Once

You think Russians dont know how to deal with Jihadists? Think again

Precisely the point. ISIS uses similar tactics to the KGB. Let us hope they exchange plenty of "messages."

I honestly don't care which side suffers more, as long as they both suffer plenty. They are both evil, barbaric forces unfit for participation in civilization.

[saxitoxin]

Communists and jihadists shooting each other! Win-win. Let's hope the conflict is long and the body count is high!

Enjoy reading the next article about organization very similar to Islamic State and Russians but be careful, you might choke with your own champagne.

In late September 1985, pro-Iranian Shiites put the snatch on four attaches from the Russian Embassy in Beirut and warned that the hostages would be executed, one by one, unless the Soviets persuaded pro-Syrian militiamen to stop shelling Hezbollah strongholds in the Lebanese port city of Tripoli.
On that occasion, the "Oppressed of the Earth" were billing themselves as agents of the hitherto unknown "Islamic Liberation Organization," but the KBG had no doubts about who they really were.
Although the Soviets attempted to open channels for quiet negotiations, there was no let-up in the shellings. Only two days after the kidnappings, the body of one of the four hostages was found, shot through the head, on a Beirut trash dump.
So much for quiet negotiations. Having gotten the message, the Soviets decided to send one back.
KGB agents ran the name of a prominent Hezbollah leader through their computers and came up with the name and address of one of his closest blood relatives. They then kidnapped the kinsman, castrated him, and sent his severed organs to the Hezbollah honcho.
The package was accompanied by a terse cover note indicating that the KGB had the names of other close relatives and that Hezbollah could expect more such deliveries unless the three remaining hostages were freed forthwith.
It didn't take much time for Hezbollah to realize it was dealing with a different breed of "Great Satan." The three surviving hostages were dropped off only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy from a late-model BMW that couldn't drive away fast enough.
Gorbachev didn't call a press conference to brag about what bad-asses his boys were, but Hezbollah obviously concluded that challenging the Russians could lead to more painful consequences than simply losing face.
It's worth noting that this was the last anyone ever heard of the "Islamic Liberation Organization."
By not-so-remarkable coincidence, it was also the last time Hezbollah ever messed with any Soviets in Lebanon.

source: Kidnap A Soviet? Well . . . Shiite Moslems Tried It In Lebanon - Once

You think Russians dont know how to deal with Jihadists? Think again

Precisely the point. ISIS uses similar tactics to the KGB. Let us hope they exchange plenty of "messages."

I honestly don't care which side suffers more, as long as they both suffer plenty. They are both evil, barbaric forces unfit for participation in civilization.

For the most part, the McCain Moderates (AKA ISIS) will be decimated without ever seeing the whites of the eyes of a Russian. They'll be hit from the air, from shore bombardments, from GFRF artillery and rocket batteries. They won't be defeated, they'll simply be forced to fall back and regroup. Guess where? The only place they can go - Iraq. And no, the Russians aren't going to chase ISIS over the border - once ISIS crosses the frontier it's America's problem. When a retreating ISIS has doubled its numbers in Iraq then the U.S. will be faced with burning through astronomical resources to shore-up its beachhead government in Baghdad at a rate that far exceeds anything the Russians spent. To keep the gas stations running in the U.S. by keeping Iraq semi-free of the caliphate, America will be forced to get ever cozier with Iran. And each inch it takes closer to the IRI is an inch further from Israel, which means less $$$ and less support for the Israeli welfare queens.

Over the long term (next 2-4 years) the U.S. has been totally outmaneuvered and outstrategized (again).

[GoranZ]

ISIS uses similar tactics to the KGB. Let us hope they exchange plenty of "messages."

I honestly don't care which side suffers more, as long as they both suffer plenty. They are both evil, barbaric forces unfit for participation in civilization.

ISIS uses similar tactics as KGB... Nice joke, can you tell us another

It would have been good if you could add more then your dreams in the conversation but I guess CIA is giving you some pills.

[saxitoxin]

A Dutch soldier has defected to ISIS. I wonder how many western military personnel have defected that we haven't heard about? Maybe this is why the west isn't sending troops - they're afraid of mass desertions?

The Dutch Defence Ministry says that a serving member of the country's air force may have travelled to Syria to join the Islamic State group.

The ministry says in a written statement that the member had been blocked from "all access to information, systems and locations."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/member-of- ... -1.3213909

Meanwhile, as the west is occupied just trying to stop its own people from switching sides, Russia handles the actual fighting to save civilization. As usual.

[muy_thaiguy]

A Dutch soldier has defected to ISIS. I wonder how many western military personnel have defected that we haven't heard about? Maybe this is why the west isn't sending troops - they're afraid of mass desertions?

The Dutch Defence Ministry says that a serving member of the country's air force may have travelled to Syria to join the Islamic State group.

The ministry says in a written statement that the member had been blocked from "all access to information, systems and locations."


Meanwhile, as the west is occupied just trying to stop its own people from switching sides, Russia handles the actual fighting to save civilization. As usual.

About those Chechens that Russia loves to claim....
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/05/345997449 ... o-2-leader
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspec ... ants-.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-europe-ch ... te-1507439
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... s-to-isis/

Russia has Daesh factions in it's own borders that they can't seem to control.