TRUMP

[KoolBak]

KoolBak wins the silver medal in the TRUMP event along with a special bonus prize

Saw this along with my first cup of coffee this morning....sweet! Take THAT, hosers!!

[notyou2]

Trump got a face lift and a new rug?

[Phatscotty]

He is respected for trying to bring America into the 21st century with his medical coverage even though it is a portion of what he planned.

He is respected for having to deal with sniveling lying tea potters.

He is respected for not starting any wars during his almost 8 years.

He is respected for recovering the US economy.

Gee, those are some pretty big achievements.

+30 saxibucks!!!

regarding trump: sorry but what are the arguments of this man with 0 experience in politics, 0 self control, jackass answers to anything, a ridiculous ego, mysoginist, racist, the guy has companies gone bankrupt and he can't even admit it.... He is a fucking clown.
The US has built back a good image towards its western counterparts with Obama's presidency after the catastrophical 8 years of W. Bush. Another retarded f*ck. Then you have some decent republican candidates such as McCain, but they have to put a retarded f*ck in his campaign (Palin) to make sure all the retards amercia has will still vote for him.

FFS people....

for one, many think it's a plus that he has never been elected to office. But like Trump said, he's been in politics all his life, just one the other side of it as the person who gives money to the politician who always has a whole bunch of experience and the politician grants him special favors, waivers, tax breaks and cupcakes.

And per our Western counterparts, I think it's common knowledge at least on this side of the pond that far more important than image.... our allies have stopped supporting us. Perhaps Obama buying the Queen an i-pod for her birthday backfired?

I'm sorry... what kind of support was giving france when george W bush was president? With the fake weapons of mass destructiongate.
Also, you clearly see on degaston's graph that french are the biggest Obama-worshippers on earth. Maybe that's what makes him unpopular in the US. Like Kerry that was judged too "french"

But anyone who think Obama is a Socialist is stupid.... I get that certain countries which live one way are going to love it when America elects a president along those line and dislike another president who doesn't subscribe. It's no secret Obama mass-repeated essentially 'America needs to be more like Europe' So yeah, I get why this is. I guess it all comes down to the person who is trying to make this about 'how the rest of the world sees us' likewise, any president that France (example) doesn't like, the poster is likely to conclude 'the entire world hates us now!'

[Phatscotty]

Scotty, looks like your view was soundly defeated.

Now go hide under a rock with some grace.

It does seem that Republicans live on some other dimension where facts do not count. But honestly, it has more to do with their base, feed them red meat and hate.

What mystifies me is that this same base votes against their own pocket books in every election.

I mostly ignore Notyou the exact same way he ignores the OP and just assumes I'm a Trump supporter drinking the kool-aid, while the OP had NOTHING to do with that. He doesn't really say anything that I don't already know he's going to say, he doesn't respond to anything when it comes to details so I don't respond.

But for you Bernie, I am mystified that you expect people to vote for their own pocket books here and then when they do vote that way no doubt you will criticize them as greedy for only caring about their pocket books.

I only engage in this baseless banter because you seem new and I'm letting you in on a little secret about how I don't care about pissing matches or personal attacks. And in my opinion it remains unclear so far if you are just a cable news repeater or if you actually care for discussion on the matter

[Phatscotty]

He is respected for trying to bring America into the 21st century with his medical coverage even though it is a portion of what he planned.

He is respected for having to deal with sniveling lying tea potters.

He is respected for not starting any wars during his almost 8 years.

He is respected for recovering the US economy.

Gee, those are some pretty big achievements.

+30 saxibucks!!!

regarding trump: sorry but what are the arguments of this man with 0 experience in politics, 0 self control, jackass answers to anything, a ridiculous ego, mysoginist, racist, the guy has companies gone bankrupt and he can't even admit it.... He is a fucking clown.
The US has built back a good image towards its western counterparts with Obama's presidency after the catastrophical 8 years of W. Bush. Another retarded f*ck. Then you have some decent republican candidates such as McCain, but they have to put a retarded f*ck in his campaign (Palin) to make sure all the retards amercia has will still vote for him.

FFS people....

for one, many think it's a plus that he has never been elected to office. But like Trump said, he's been in politics all his life, just one the other side of it as the person who gives money to the politician who always has a whole bunch of experience and the politician grants him special favors, waivers, tax breaks and cupcakes.

And per our Western counterparts, I think it's common knowledge at least on this side of the pond that far more important than image.... our allies have stopped supporting us. Perhaps Obama buying the Queen an i-pod for her birthday backfired?

I'm sorry... what kind of support was giving france when george W bush was president? With the fake weapons of mass destructiongate.
Also, you clearly see on degaston's graph that french are the biggest Obama-worshippers on earth. Maybe that's what makes him unpopular in the US. Like Kerry that was judged too "french"

But anyone who think Obama is a Socialist is stupid.... I get that certain countries which live one way are going to love it when America elects a president along those line and dislike another president who doesn't subscribe. It's no secret Obama mass-repeated essentially 'America needs to be more like Europe' So yeah, I get why this is. I guess it all comes down to the person who is trying to make this about 'how the rest of the world sees us' likewise, any president that France (example) doesn't like, the poster is likely to conclude 'the entire world hates us now!'

An obvious truth about America is that it's full of people/their ancestors who LEFT 'the rest of the world', and I don't think they came here to be like the rest of the world...

[subtleknifewield]

An obvious truth about America is that it's full of people/their ancestors who LEFT 'the rest of the world', and I don't think they came here to be like the rest of the world...

This much is true.

[betiko]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

[subtleknifewield]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

[betiko]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

Lol pretty much! I guess it also makes the whole world morons then.

[subtleknifewield]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

Lol pretty much! I guess it also makes the whole world morons then.

I bet that's what he says next

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

And which policies has he instituted which are so radically different, exactly?

The continuation of our aggresion in the godforsaken desert?

The continuation of the patriot act (which he promised to end while compaigning for his first term)?

Or maybe the expansion of drone strikes?

The repeated denials of information guaranteed by the FOIA?

Obamacare? Lol, a pandering to insurance companies rather than real healthcare reform. Don't get me wrong, it's more affordable than what was out there before, but it's a joke. My mom is...unwell, so it's a relief that she can get insurance which she can afford, but the whole system is a polished turd.

If we're being honest, Obama will be remembered as the consummate politician, i.e. the guy who spun lies and sold us more of the same shit. While the rest of the world may love him, supposedly, they should take off the rose-colored lenses.

Again it comes down to a bias of the two parties. People think the Dems and Reps are different, but they really aren't.

-TG

[subtleknifewield]

There's another angle people tend to forget.

As much power as he has, the president is still only one man. He does not have all the power in the world, he CAN be, and has, been overruled by the other branches of the government.

So yes, he has scaled back aggression where he could, but to comment on at least one of your point...he's not the one that has the power to declare war, only Congress can do that.

He can work to repeal the Patriot Act, but without co-operative judges, he can do little on that, either, as that is ultimately up to the Supreme Court to rule it unconstitutional.

Obamacare, at least he is honestly trying, don't deny it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have made such a big deal of it.

[Phatscotty]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

I don't think I could actually answer that without making all kinds of assumptions based on very little, nor would I ever defend GWB. I am pretty darn sure though there are more than a couple countries who have been invaded recently that at least a chunk of people might think they would have been defended or at least attempted to be defended if Obama were not president or if GWB still was. I would also bet there are many people in more than a few countries that have been negatively affected by the newest theocracy on the block known as isis, there certainly are a shitload of people in Syria/were in Syria who respect less for failing to keep it's word to protect them from Assad, maybe even some dead people if they could speak. I think there are a lot of people in Egypt who would still be alive today if our election results were different, I think Libya could possibly be an actual country with a government instead of anarchy in fractured segments run by gangs and groups and terrorists/freedom fighters. Really I could go on and on but of course there is no way to prove it. And again I think the level of respect for US has more to do with more than who is the president as certainly our military adventurism has not changed and we are droning more innocent people than ever. And I reject that a president can make me or any other American much less all Americans look a certain way. I get the gist of what you mean by that, but obviously there were tens of million if not 100 million Americans who did not worship Bush or defend him or vote for him or remain silent in opposing him. And I don't even know what you mean by 'God worshipping retards'

One thing I do know, if I were the one asking the questions for any poll about how America is viewed, the poll would have different to far different results.

A second thing I know, people can be better off because of something and that something is respected less, and people can be worse off because of something and that something can be respected more. Example; black Americans. They continue to hold the highest rating of approval for Obama and by a wide margin, and over 9 out of 10 voted to re-elect Obama as well as claim him to be the best president in history, all at the same time the income and education level of blacks in America has gotten much worse and widened at a faster rate than ever before. Many I run into are actual worshiping tards as this goes way beyond 'how they look to people who don't even live here' and many others will and have opined Obama is the best thing that has happened for black people in a long time/ever, while the reality is in many ways it's clearly the worst thing.

Which brings us to a third thing I know. Perception can be and is molded, rightly or wrongly. Again, the truth on the income and education gaps widening fast and deep among blacks is absolute fact, while many who have been so negatively impacted would probably deny this, call me a liar, and no doubt a racist. If the same EXACT thing happened under GWB, GUARANTEE you they would all be pissed off, would have close to a 0% approval rating, and be the most racist president in history.

[Phatscotty]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

Lol pretty much! I guess it also makes the whole world morons then.

I bet that's what he says next

You lost that bet mate. PAY UP! haha

[Phatscotty]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

And which policies has he instituted which are so radically different, exactly?

The continuation of our aggresion in the godforsaken desert?

The continuation of the patriot act (which he promised to end while compaigning for his first term)?

Or maybe the expansion of drone strikes?

The repeated denials of information guaranteed by the FOIA?

Obamacare? Lol, a pandering to insurance companies rather than real healthcare reform. Don't get me wrong, it's more affordable than what was out there before, but it's a joke. My mom is...unwell, so it's a relief that she can get insurance which she can afford, but the whole system is a polished turd.

If we're being honest, Obama will be remembered as the consummate politician, i.e. the guy who spun lies and sold us more of the same shit. While the rest of the world may love him, supposedly, they should take off the rose-colored lenses.

Again it comes down to a bias of the two parties. People think the Dems and Reps are different, but they really aren't.

-TG

XACTLY! This is where most people like NOTyou2 make their statement then disappear when asked to back it up. Besides gay marriage (which Obama clearly bullshitted the country about) he continued to drive us in debt at a faster rate, the drone strikes continue to kill innocent people in foreign lands, the patriot act remains and has been built on and expanded, drugs were not legalized (many Americans thought at least marijuana would be). I knew right off the bat Obama would be a president judged not at all by his actions and totally by the perceptions he can create and spin, and I knew most of it would work too. I mean, just look at the shooting in Oregon today... essentially Obama exploited the tragedy and has blamed Americans for the shooting because we made 'bad political choices' ie took his rubber stamp super majority Congress away from him asap, making him the losingest president in modern history when it comes to how many congressional seats his party lost. He doesn't blame the shooter or a warped progressive society hellbent on political correctness. He blames and judges all of Christianity for the crusades a thousands years ago, but doesn't make a peep about a Muslim murderer who singled out Christians to be shot in the face... I opined elsewhere that since the president says I and everyone else is guilty for the shooting that I will deal with that blood on my hands by offering a solution. Clearly 'gun free zones' need to become 'super-duper gun free zones'

[mrswdk]

I don't like Obama. He's a meddler, so much so that he's committed to stirring the pot in Asia and the Middle East as a matter of policy. It's unnecessary and increasingly outdated in a world which has moved on from contentious Cold War politics.

The saber rattling worked for America when the only other global power (the Soviet Union) wasn't a credible alternative, but now China is on the scene and the US is no longer people's only choice. Even America's firmest European allies are rushing to make friends with China, completely ignoring Washington's attempts to command them not to. Whoever comes after Obama is going to have to learn how to keep his hands to himself, and smile, or he's going to find himself pretty much entirely friendless.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

There's another angle people tend to forget.

As much power as he has, the president is still only one man. He does not have all the power in the world, he CAN be, and has, been overruled by the other branches of the government.

So yes, he has scaled back aggression where he could, but to comment on at least one of your point...he's not the one that has the power to declare war, only Congress can do that.

He can work to repeal the Patriot Act, but without co-operative judges, he can do little on that, either, as that is ultimately up to the Supreme Court to rule it unconstitutional.

Obamacare, at least he is honestly trying, don't deny it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have made such a big deal of it.

Well, there's plenty to use to rebutt this, but I'll leave you with this-- you are completely wrong about Obama working to end the patriot act. He SIGNED the continuation order, AND the successor, the Freedom Act, which took place June of this year. He could simply have vetoed the bill, per executive authority.

-TG

[subtleknifewield]

There's another angle people tend to forget.

As much power as he has, the president is still only one man. He does not have all the power in the world, he CAN be, and has, been overruled by the other branches of the government.

So yes, he has scaled back aggression where he could, but to comment on at least one of your point...he's not the one that has the power to declare war, only Congress can do that.

He can work to repeal the Patriot Act, but without co-operative judges, he can do little on that, either, as that is ultimately up to the Supreme Court to rule it unconstitutional.

Obamacare, at least he is honestly trying, don't deny it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have made such a big deal of it.

Well, there's plenty to use to rebutt this, but I'll leave you with this-- you are completely wrong about Obama working to end the patriot act. He SIGNED the continuation order, AND the successor, the Freedom Act, which took place June of this year. He could simply have vetoed the bill, per executive authority.

-TG

Never said he didn't sign that, just pointing out people expect too much of the president because the president is not the ultimate authority in the US. There is no one ultimate authority here.

[subtleknifewield]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

Lol pretty much! I guess it also makes the whole world morons then.

I bet that's what he says next

You lost that bet mate. PAY UP! haha

Dammit. Alright, you win...lunch

[DaGip]

[Dukasaur]

Scotty... Where on earth has W bush's presidency made the US of A a more respected country? He made the american people look like a bunch of god worshipping retards. The US's worldwide image was as low as it could get and Obama made america and americans more likeable and not as dumb.
I know too many americans are way too self centered to even care, ergo the hilarious expression "the rest of the world" i hear every now and then.
No freaking world leader would want to deal with this carpets salesman that would make melissa mccarthy look as classy as queen lizzie compared to him.

Whoever hates Bush but respects Obama is a moron. Obama has carried on Bush's legacy just fine. He should be adopted into the Bush family as an honorary brother.

-TG

Of course he has. That's why so many of his policies run counter to what Bush would have proposed :V

And which policies has he instituted which are so radically different, exactly?

The continuation of our aggresion in the godforsaken desert?

The continuation of the patriot act (which he promised to end while compaigning for his first term)?

Or maybe the expansion of drone strikes?

The repeated denials of information guaranteed by the FOIA?

Obamacare? Lol, a pandering to insurance companies rather than real healthcare reform. Don't get me wrong, it's more affordable than what was out there before, but it's a joke. My mom is...unwell, so it's a relief that she can get insurance which she can afford, but the whole system is a polished turd.

If we're being honest, Obama will be remembered as the consummate politician, i.e. the guy who spun lies and sold us more of the same shit. While the rest of the world may love him, supposedly, they should take off the rose-colored lenses.

Again it comes down to a bias of the two parties. People think the Dems and Reps are different, but they really aren't.

-TG

You can add to the list:

continuing Bush's bank bailout and not prosecuting a single banker despite overwhelming evidence that institutionalized fraud and balance-sheet doctoring underlay the 2008 crash.

continuing the policy of extrajudicial imprisonment at Gitmo and other locations despite an absolute promise made during his campaign to shut down Gitmo and restore the rule of law

There's another angle people tend to forget.

As much power as he has, the president is still only one man. He does not have all the power in the world, he CAN be, and has, been overruled by the other branches of the government.

So yes, he has scaled back aggression where he could, but to comment on at least one of your point...he's not the one that has the power to declare war, only Congress can do that.

He can work to repeal the Patriot Act, but without co-operative judges, he can do little on that, either, as that is ultimately up to the Supreme Court to rule it unconstitutional.

Obamacare, at least he is honestly trying, don't deny it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have made such a big deal of it.

LOL. Just as a for instance, name one date on which Obama has asked Congress to repeal the Patriot Act. Yeah, of course he can't repeal it without Congressional action. But please, go ahead and try to name a single instance in which he has stood before Congress and asked them to repeal it.

Don't kid yourself. The Repocrats and the Demlicans are the slices of bread in a giant fuck-the-people sandwich. Only their rhetoric on the campaign trail is different; their behaviour once in office is indistinguishable.

[mrswdk]

The Transformation of American Democracy to Oligarchy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar-gan ... 45040.html

[Bernie Sanders]

The Transformation of American Democracy to Oligarchy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar-gan ... 45040.html

You are correct mrswdk


America now has more wealth and income inequality than any major developed country on earth, and the gap between the very rich and everyone else is wider than at any time since the 1920s.

There is something profoundly wrong when the top one-tenth of one percent owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent

[warmonger1981]

Obama has never lied. Who's gonna be the first to make excuses for this videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_cc


Any takers??