Another Mass American Shooting(Oregon)...#994,in 3 years!!

[degaston]

Banning guns wouldnt do much to solve the actual problem. The real question that should be investigated, is why do so many Americans feel that it is necessary to own a gun?

Just connect the dots, people. The reason is slavery, eugenics and plastic bags!

I can't take full credit for this, though. owenshooter posted this in "Plastic can make your "penis" small"

leave it up to the white guys to find out an external reason for their genetically smaller penises... i always thought they were smaller because white kids get toys and the black kids don't... the truth is the truth...-Jésus noir

Slave traders specifically targeted bigger men (with bigger penises), and had them breed more. Later, plastics (used more by the wealthier whites) caused some unfortunate shrinkage. Of course, the less environmentally conscious Republicans were hit particularly hard by this. In Europe, on the other hand, slavery was more diverse and ended sooner, and their culture did not adopt plastics as readily as the US.

So the small-penised racists sought out big guns as a way to compensate for their shortcomings. They didn't want to be easily singled out, so they encouraged the growth of the "gun culture", which drew in the dim-witted, the paranoid, and those with doubts about their sexual orientation.

There are no easy solutions to this. Some things that might help are to continue to fight racism and homophobia, support education and mental health care, encourage immigration of Asians and hispanics, clean up the environment and reduce the use of plastics, and continue work on genetic engineering and stem cell research with regard to penis size. As usual, the Republicans are fighting against the very policies that would help them the most.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Again, is it that no European country has ever been conquered why nobody 'in the entirety of Western Europe' (as if you know that for a fact??) feels the need to own a gun?

Almost all countries in europe have been conquered by others. So I decided to ignore you as your understanding of history clearly fails to encompass anything that happened outside of America or precedes 1800's.

To then go further and suggest that America has been conquered would again be a ridiculous statement. America was colonised and has subsequently only fought against itself on home soil.

[Phatscotty]

Banning guns wouldnt do much to solve the actual problem. The real question that should be investigated, is why do so many Americans feel that it is necessary to own a gun?

The investigating has already been done on the dark and tyrannical history of humanity.

Start your investigation there

The entirety of western europe feels zero need to own a defensive weapon. So clearly this logic doesnt stand, there has to be a cultural reason.

Oh, has no European country ever been conquered?

Is your argument that American citizens need guns in order to ensure America does not get invaded?

not exactly. I'm not arguing anything yet. For now just trying to get into why it is all of Western Europe feels zero need to own a gun.

To be without why is to be without power, and that's how you come to me now, powerless.

[Phatscotty]

Again, is it that no European country has ever been conquered why nobody 'in the entirety of Western Europe' (as if you know that for a fact??) feels the need to own a gun?

Almost all countries in europe have been conquered by others. So I decided to ignore you as your understanding of history clearly fails to encompass anything that happened outside of America or precedes 1800's.

To then go further and suggest that America has been conquered would again be a ridiculous statement. America was colonised and has subsequently only fought against itself on home soil.

I suggested no such thing, America doesn't have anything to do with this. I am specifically asking about the entirety of Western Europe. So we've established that every country in Europe, including your own and every country around you, has been invaded.

Next question - Could your country ever be invaded again? Could other Western European countries be invaded again?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I suggested no such thing, America doesn't have anything to do with this. I am specifically asking about the entirety of Western Europe. So we've established that every country in Europe, including your own and every country around you, has been invaded.

Next question - Could your country ever be invaded again?

Yes.

[mrswdk]

not exactly. I'm not arguing anything yet. For now just trying to get into why it is all of Western Europe feels zero need to own a gun.

'Because no one feels like they need one' would be the short answer.

[Phatscotty]

I suggested no such thing, America doesn't have anything to do with this. I am specifically asking about the entirety of Western Europe. So we've established that every country in Europe, including your own and every country around you, has been invaded.

Next question - Could your country ever be invaded again?

Yes.

Do you think your country or other Western European countries will be better off defending yourselve's/themselve's with a bunch of people who own guns and know how to use them, than say with no people who own guns or know how to use them?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I suggested no such thing, America doesn't have anything to do with this. I am specifically asking about the entirety of Western Europe. So we've established that every country in Europe, including your own and every country around you, has been invaded.

Next question - Could your country ever be invaded again?

Yes.

Do you think your country or other Western European countries will be better off defending yourselve's/themselve's with a bunch of people who own guns and know how to use them, than say with no people who own guns or know how to use them?

I believe that our armed forces have the capacity to defend against any initial attacks in a much more controlled and coordinated manner with less needless bloodshed if the general population is unarmed.

[Phatscotty]

I suggested no such thing, America doesn't have anything to do with this. I am specifically asking about the entirety of Western Europe. So we've established that every country in Europe, including your own and every country around you, has been invaded.

Next question - Could your country ever be invaded again?

Yes.

Do you think your country or other Western European countries will be better off defending yourselve's/themselve's with a bunch of people who own guns and know how to use them, than say with no people who own guns or know how to use them?

I believe that our armed forces have the capacity to defend against any initial attacks in a much more controlled and coordinated manner with less needless bloodshed if the general population is unarmed.

So, in effect, your armed forces could never lose? Never fail to defend against any attack?

Is there any need for a back-up plan for Western Europeans

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So, in effect, your armed forces could never lose? Never fail to defend against any attack?

The key word was initial. And not necessarily, but the armed forces are trained to work effectively, and not be distracted by untrained members of the general public attempting to aid them.

If the attacks are sustained then the reserves followed by general conscription will be trained and used as requried.

[owenshooter]

sorry, second amendment was misinterpreted by the supreme court recently and the NRA has run with it, and we are now where we are at with all of these shootings... great conversation on bill maher this weekend (the conservatives on here are respected and allowed to speak, unlike on republican shows where they try to paint dem guests as evil or foolish)... watch it, it is good:




this shit is out of control, since sandy hook, almost 1K mass shootings, that is insane... who in the f*ck needs assault weapons? europe has it right and san francisco just took a huge step with it's last gun shop closing, due to strict gun laws in the city:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... its-doors/

i was raised in the military around guns, everyone in my immediate family owns guns, i respect guns and the right to own them... i just personally do not choose to own one and i think the second amendment is being abused by the right. nobody needs a fucking stash of assault rifles, a few fully auto pistols and a couple thousand rounds of ammo... it is non-sensical. gun violence is a more real threat than terrorism in america, gun violence is more real than you ever wielding a weapon against an intruder in your home, gun violence is more realistic than the plot of RED DAWN unfolding in your town... the second amendment is being abused, plain and simple...-Jésus noir

p.s.-WOLVERINES!!!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Out of curiosity why was the second amendment first put into the constitution?

[Phatscotty]

So, in effect, your armed forces could never lose? Never fail to defend against any attack?

The key word was initial. And not necessarily, but the armed forces are trained to work effectively, and not be distracted by untrained members of the general public attempting to aid them.

If the attacks are sustained then the reserves followed by general conscription will be trained and used as requried.

Isn't the same most likely true about the invading force? in that they are trained to work effectively and not be distracted? And what if it wasn't the least likely scenario where the 115th brig is attacking and then a bunch of civilians with Rambo headbands yell 'charge! and run right into the line of fire, and it was the more likely scenario that a main force has been overwhelmed, and the invading force is now in the 'sweep n clear' phase of an urban area?

[owenshooter]

Out of curiosity why was the second amendment first put into the constitution?

did you ever notice when a nation of imperialist tried to come over and rule a bunch of rich people that left their country and didn't want to pay taxes? well, they tried to make the colonies pay taxes anyway and a bunch of tea was dumped into a harbour in protest.... do you remember when that imperialist nation tried to seize all the colonists weapons? yeah, that kind of set off the revolutionary war to gain independence from that imperialist nation... second amendment was absolutely necessary when this country was formed and we had no true standing army... and the part concerning militias was necessary and relevant as well, to protect the colonies and the colonists... it was necessary back then, it is misinterpreted and abused by the NRA now...-Jésus noir

p.s.-how have you never seen this?!!

[Phatscotty]

sorry, second amendment was misinterpreted by the supreme court recently and the NRA has run with it, and we are now where we are at with all of these shootings... great conversation on bill maher this weekend (the conservatives on here are respected and allowed to speak, unlike on republican shows where they try to paint dem guests as evil or foolish)... watch it, it is good:




this shit is out of control, since sandy hook, almost 1K mass shootings, that is insane... who in the f*ck needs assault weapons? europe has it right and san francisco just took a huge step with it's last gun shop closing, due to strict gun laws in the city:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... its-doors/

i was raised in the military around guns, everyone in my immediate family owns guns, i respect guns and the right to own them... i just personally do not choose to own one and i think the second amendment is being abused by the right. nobody needs a fucking stash of assault rifles, a few fully auto pistols and a couple thousand rounds of ammo... it is non-sensical. gun violence is a more real threat than terrorism in america, gun violence is more real than you ever wielding a weapon against an intruder in your home, gun violence is more realistic than the plot of RED DAWN unfolding in your town... the second amendment is being abused, plain and simple...-Jésus noir

p.s.-WOLVERINES!!!

I'm a fan of Maher as well, but it's no secret that there is almost ALWAYS 1 Conservative on his panel and almost ALWAYS 3 Liberals (including Bill)

Let's look at that though, the guy with the stash of assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo... Are those the types of people that go on shooting sprees? Are those stashes the guns that end up being shot in a massacre? I don't think people like that or stashes like that have any relation whatsoever to the people or the guns that are used to do massacres.

I get why people have this attitude, but the people and their stashes of assault rifles ARE EXACTLY the reason why Japan knew they would have to go through hell and back in order to invade the US on mainland. And whether this quote is misattributed or not, it doesn't make the statement or it's meaning hold any less value

You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

- Yamamoto

[Phatscotty]

Out of curiosity why was the second amendment first put into the constitution?

did you ever notice when a nation of imperialist tried to come over and rule a bunch of rich people that left their country and didn't want to pay taxes? well, they tried to make the colonies pay taxes anyway and a bunch of tea was dumped into a harbour in protest.... do you remember when that imperialist nation tried to seize all the colonists weapons? yeah, that kind of set off the revolutionary war to gain independence from that imperialist nation... second amendment was absolutely necessary when this country was formed and we had no true standing army... and the part concerning militias was necessary and relevant as well, to protect the colonies and the colonists... it was necessary back then, it is misinterpreted and abused by the NRA now...-Jésus noir

p.s.-how have you never seen this?!!

Yes. It's from bowling for Columbine, and it's a cartoon oversaturated in prejudice and lies. My English professor made us watch that movie. And that is a comical piece.

I'm guessing both of you guys might be able to understand why a slave my have felt the need to own a gun, eh? Why is it that a slave should have owned a gun?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So, in effect, your armed forces could never lose? Never fail to defend against any attack?

The key word was initial. And not necessarily, but the armed forces are trained to work effectively, and not be distracted by untrained members of the general public attempting to aid them.

If the attacks are sustained then the reserves followed by general conscription will be trained and used as requried.

Isn't the same most likely true about the invading force? in that they are trained to work effectively and not be distracted? And what if it wasn't the least likely scenario where the 115th brig is attacking and then a bunch of civilians with Rambo headbands yell 'charge! and run right into the line of fire, and it was the more likely scenario that a main force has been overwhelmed, and the invading force is now in the 'sweep n clear' phase of an urban area?

The most likely situation is that were bombed to complete death within hours of the first invasion. Warfare has far surpassed anything mere guns can deal with.

[rockfist]

The 2nd Amendment exists because our founding fathers believed that the government should fear the people - not that people should fear the government.

[Phatscotty]

So, in effect, your armed forces could never lose? Never fail to defend against any attack?

The key word was initial. And not necessarily, but the armed forces are trained to work effectively, and not be distracted by untrained members of the general public attempting to aid them.

If the attacks are sustained then the reserves followed by general conscription will be trained and used as requried.

Isn't the same most likely true about the invading force? in that they are trained to work effectively and not be distracted? And what if it wasn't the least likely scenario where the 115th brig is attacking and then a bunch of civilians with Rambo headbands yell 'charge! and run right into the line of fire, and it was the more likely scenario that a main force has been overwhelmed, and the invading force is now in the 'sweep n clear' phase of an urban area?

The most likely situation is that were bombed to complete death within hours of the first invasion. Warfare has far surpassed anything mere guns can deal with.

So, really the invaders then don't even need guns either, right?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The 2nd Amendment exists because our founding fathers believed that the government should fear the people - not that people should fear the government.

If thats the case then every American should be armed with a nuclear bomb, or at the very least rocket launchers. Goverments dont care at all about the threat of guns anymore.

Makes sense Owen, I knew the history but not that the second amendment was to form a militia. Makes sense but quite clearly is no longer required.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So, really the invaders then don't even need guns either, right?

Correct. So back to the original point, why do so many Americans feel the need to own guns?

[Phatscotty]

The 2nd Amendment exists because our founding fathers believed that the government should fear the people - not that people should fear the government.

If thats the case then every American should be armed with a nuclear bomb, or at the very least rocket launchers. Goverments dont care at all about the threat of guns anymore.

Makes sense Owen, I knew the history but not that the second amendment was to form a militia. Makes sense but quite clearly is no longer required.

There is no need to jump to extremes. If governments don't care, then I don't see what there is any fuss about.

And matching the force of government is not the only reason for owning a gun, so let's move out of 'carrying a nuke around with ya' to self defense from an intruder or a car-jacker or a nut flippin his wig on drugs seeing things chase them, or some pussy who is scared to get in a fight and is carrying a gun illegally.

[Phatscotty]

So, really the invaders then don't even need guns either, right?

Correct. So back to the original point, why do so many Americans feel the need to own guns?

Just one more thing. Can you understand why a slave might have felt the need to own a gun?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So, really the invaders then don't even need guns either, right?

Correct. So back to the original point, why do so many Americans feel the need to own guns?

Just one more thing. Can you understand why a slave might have felt the need to own a gun?

Yes, they were directly attacked by others with guns.