Happy/Sad Columbus Day

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So apparently a bunch of Americans are getting up in arms about having a day named for Columbus; the sort of discoverer of America, possible crazed tyrant, and probable exporter of syphilis to all of Europe. The most popular alternative at the moment is "Indigenous Peoples Day".
Do you folks like that? If not, what are some better alternatives?

[ConfederateSS]

----Well Leif Erikson Day is Oct. 9th.........SO AMERICA SHOULD CHANGE Columbus Day to ZHENG HE DAY....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... HAPPY THANKSGIVING CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dukasaur]

I think "Happy/Sad Columbus Day" is a great name for it. People who want to make happy can make happy, and people who want to make sad can make sad. Freedom of choice.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think "Happy/Sad Columbus Day" is a great name for it. People who want to make happy can make happy, and people who want to make sad can make sad. Freedom of choice.

Agreed.

-TG

[mrswdk]

I think "Happy/Sad Columbus Day" is a great name for it. People who want to make happy can make happy, and people who want to make sad can make sad. Freedom of choice.

Is that not already a choice when it's just called 'Columbus Day'?

[Phatscotty]

Sure. One city in Minnesota already changed Columbus day to indigenous people day, without even noticing we already have an indigenous people day in August! The issue is up for debate no doubt, but I think he is important the same way Neil Armstrong is. Of course America did not 'discover' the moon, but traveling to the moon, walking on it, and returning home alive is if major importance. As we can see today history is changing and being revised before our very eyes and in real time. Just imagine what the headline will be about the moon landing 500 years from now.

of course Columbus didn't discover America. I didn't make the post to defend that idea, but simply to talk about it. Others knew of and came into North America (secretly/privately) for centuries before Columbus was born. But I think there are a lot of other things to say and remember other than the elementary headline. The accomplishment of crossing an ocean and returning across the ocean again was a big deal. You are right in others have done it, the thing that separates Columbus though is that it was a officially endorsed by a major government and therefore recorded officially into history at a time when many peoples of the world did not even have writing or an alphabet, so basically there was little to no competition against Columbus by way of 'history' and'America' did not exist for a good 70% of the time from Columbus until now, and while of course our hands are not clean either, but I think it's also important that we understand it is America that was born with the will and the tools to form a more perfect nation, and to always be striving to be more perfect. And yes questioning the story of Columbus is part of that, the other side of the coin is to look what we have today, how far we've come, how much further we can go, as well as seeking forgiveness rather than guilt-libeling. Understanding survival in the 14-15-16-1700's is something not a one of us could possibly begin to comprehend. Imagine what kind of person we might be if we had experienced extreme hunger/near starvation 5-6-7-8 times in our lives so far, or if our families were burned at a stake, or if we lived in the battlefields of the Jihad/Crusades? I know I can only try to imagine, but also that I could never fully comprehend. That is why I try to be thankful for what we have while also respecting or at least trying to respect sensitivities. But this is about truth as well, and that's where we should try to start.

One thing that I find tragically sad is the most recent generation of high school and college graduates have been programmed to get rid of Columbus Day not based on the story of 'discovering' America not being entirely true, but rather getting rid of the holiday because of the genocide or massacre of an entire race of people. It seems nobody has ever mentioned the completely understandable truth that 19-20 (95%) of Native Americans perished from extremely inefficient immune systems, per smallpox etc. There is another example of how hate is being used and abused in the public education system, of institutionalized anti-white racism. I understand now how it is true there are people who are bent out of shape because of their impression that some white people seem to state racism doesn't exist, which I believe is utter hogwash. Who in thee blue hell would think racism doesn't exist, or that they are qualified to speak for the entire population and what they really believe regarding race. Yet, it is true the one's who get bent out of shape like that ARE the very people who are absolutely guilty about saying and believing that anti-white racism does not exist, or that it could not possibly exist. That's the real racism of our time. Overt and in your face. Hating white people is totally acceptable in today's perverse PC culture, and perhaps it is true racism is worst than ever. It's just not the racism everybody assumes is anti-colored people, it's the racism against white people which is making the statement true about racism being worse than ever, and the accusations are being made mostly by those who have experienced the least amount of racism of every single generation that came before them.

HATE - it's what's for breakfast. What a mind f*ck, eh?

[DaGip]

Shit. South Dakota has been calling it Native American Day since 1989. What's the big deal? Post Office and Banks still get it off while I still have to work. Columbus Day is celebration for white Eurocentrics and their plunder, murder, and rape of innocent people. Who "discovered" America? Wouldn't the fact that Mongol/Oriental looking types of people (who have genetic lineage pointing towards China and Mongolia) seem to strongly suggest that White, plague-ridden, scurvy-laden, syphilis-spreading Europeans did not in fact discover anything except for that which they want to place in their own history books?

It is quite evident that CHINA discovered America many, many millennia before Columbus ever was ejaculated into his scurvy, whore of a mother.

[Bernie Sanders]

. Yet, it is true the one's who get bent out of shape like that ARE the very people who are absolutely guilty about saying and believing that anti-white racism does not exist, or that it could not possibly exist. That's the real racism of our time. Overt and in your face. Hating white people is totally acceptable in today's perverse PC culture, and perhaps it is true racism is worst than ever. It's just not the racism everybody assumes is anti-colored people, it's the racism against white people which is making the statement true about racism being worse than ever, and the accusations are being made mostly by those who have experienced the least amount of racism of every single generation that came before them.

HATE - it's what's for breakfast. What a mind f*ck, eh?

Leave it to our right wing Aryan poster to complain about how oppressed we white people are.

[ConfederateSS]

the thing that separates Columbus though is that it was a officially endorsed by a major government and therefore recorded officially into history at a time when many peoples of the world did not even have writing or an alphabet, so basically there was little to no competition against Columbus by way of 'history'

------So, CHINA is not a major government. A Country that has been around for over 4,000 years. China had dealings with the Roman Empire. Zheng He was sent by the Emperor to visit parts of the world. I believe you wanted to say WHITE WESTERN HISTORY. China didn't try and move in and take over. When Europeans brought death to the natives of The Americas. So, teaching the truth isn't sad. Just that it's the truth. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[tzor]

So apparently a bunch of Americans are getting up in arms about having a day named for Columbus

It's actually the Italian version of St. Patrick's Day.

I would generally say that most people don't have a clue about Columbus, or his motivations, or what he actually did. It's sad really; not the day, the lack of understanding. But hey, I'm a "Knight" of Columbus, so I'll be so happy to educate you ... or rather I'll refer you to the website ...

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Why Columbus Sailed: Interview with Carol Delaney, a cultural anthropologist and long-time professor at Stanford University.

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tl;dr; Columbus was an "end timer" who wanted to finance a crusade to recapture Jerusalem and wanted both Gold the the conversion of the Grand Khan of China.

[AndyDufresne]

It seems nobody has ever mentioned the completely understandable truth that 19-20 (95%) of Native Americans perished from extremely inefficient immune systems, per smallpox etc.

--Andy

[Metsfanmax]

I prefer Columbo Day, where we celebrate the true genius of Peter Falk.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Its a complete misnomer. We all know the British colonised America so why celebrate an Italian.

[mrswdk]

Shit. South Dakota has been calling it Native American Day since 1989. What's the big deal? Post Office and Banks still get it off while I still have to work. Columbus Day is celebration for white Eurocentrics and their plunder, murder, and rape of innocent people. Who "discovered" America? Wouldn't the fact that Mongol/Oriental looking types of people (who have genetic lineage pointing towards China and Mongolia) seem to strongly suggest that White, plague-ridden, scurvy-laden, syphilis-spreading Europeans did not in fact discover anything except for that which they want to place in their own history books?

It is quite evident that CHINA discovered America many, many millennia before Columbus ever was ejaculated into his scurvy, whore of a mother.

And even if you only count people who made maps and written records of the place they went to, Zheng He was exploring Africa, South East Asia and even North America long before Europeans got there.

But he's not white, so he doesn't count. Kinda like Mount Everest was 'discovered' by a Brit in the 19th century, as if the Chinese and Nepalese living nearby were too stupid to have noticed the mile-high mountain sticking out of their countries.

[tzor]

Its a complete misnomer. We all know the British colonized America so why celebrate an Italian.

If that is the case then why ...



Isn't English the language all over the Americas?

[Bernie Sanders]

Its a complete misnomer. We all know the British colonized America so why celebrate an Italian.

If that is the case then why ...



Isn't English the language all over the Americas?

What about Quebec in Canada? French speakers there.

[owenshooter]

Its a complete misnomer. We all know the British colonized America so why celebrate an Italian.

If that is the case then why ...

Isn't English the language all over the Americas?

*THIS USER PLAGIARIZES MATERIAL*

first off, ignore the post by the user that is a proven plagiarizer... secondly, it isn't about the colonization, it is about the discovery by EUROPEANS (it was already discovered and inhabited by those people that came across the land bridge, right?)... and yes, the italian was not the first european to discover america, i was taught it was Leif Eriksson when i was in grade school (by a few 100 years prior to the italian). that is my input as an american, using my own words...



oh!! it was 500 years prior to the italian!!! cool little video... and i would like to point out the fact that i did not animate, produce, voice, or have anything to do with it, other than finding it and posting it here for others to view...-Jésus noir

[mrswdk]

Picks a semantic argument by pretending not to know that the US is commonly referred to as 'America'

[Bernie Sanders]

Its a complete misnomer. We all know the British colonized America so why celebrate an Italian.

If that is the case then why ...

Isn't English the language all over the Americas?

*THIS USER PLAGIARIZES MATERIAL*

first off, ignore the post by the user that is a proven plagiarizer... secondly, it isn't about the colonization, it is about the discovery by EUROPEANS (it was already discovered and inhabited by those people that came across the land bridge, right?)... and yes, the italian was not the first european to discover america, i was taught it was Leif Eriksson when i was in grade school (by a few 100 years prior to the italian). that is my input as an american, using my own words...



oh!! it was 500 years prior to the italian!!! cool little video... and i would like to point out the fact that i did not animate, produce, voice, or have anything to do with it, other than finding it and posting it here for others to view...-Jésus noir

Poor owenshooter, got butt hurt by me earlier in the week and now has to troll me constantly. Sorry I hurt your feelings...I guess you are very sensitive to criticism and like to file complaints to the moderators for the exact same reasons that you are doing to me. Grow a set owenshooter and go away and cry somewhere else.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok I wasn't sure it was pimpdave, but now I am.

[mrswdk]

Is he the guy with the downer brother?

[owenshooter]

*MEMBER THAT WAS BUSTED FOR PLAGIARIZING WITHOUT GIVING CREDIT*

i'm sorry, did the Mafia Forum already catch you plagiarizing too? i have no idea why you are still posting in here, given that you are a proven plagiarist.
Actually, this Columbus day discussion is perfect for you... Columbus was given credit for something that others did, also... *cough*... the black jesus will
not have mercy on your lying soul...-Jésus noir

[DaGip]

Shit. South Dakota has been calling it Native American Day since 1989. What's the big deal? Post Office and Banks still get it off while I still have to work. Columbus Day is celebration for white Eurocentrics and their plunder, murder, and rape of innocent people. Who "discovered" America? Wouldn't the fact that Mongol/Oriental looking types of people (who have genetic lineage pointing towards China and Mongolia) seem to strongly suggest that White, plague-ridden, scurvy-laden, syphilis-spreading Europeans did not in fact discover anything except for that which they want to place in their own history books?

It is quite evident that CHINA discovered America many, many millennia before Columbus ever was ejaculated into his scurvy, whore of a mother.

And even if you only count people who made maps and written records of the place they went to, Zheng He was exploring Africa, South East Asia and even North America long before Europeans got there.

But he's not white, so he doesn't count. Kinda like Mount Everest was 'discovered' by a Brit in the 19th century, as if the Chinese and Nepalese living nearby were too stupid to have noticed the mile-high mountain sticking out of their countries.

Agreed. White Europeans have went around the world claiming they discovered this, and discovered that...meanwhile, the local populations are like: "WTF?!?"

Europeans aren't discovering anything that the rest of world didn't already know was there. They just want to chalk it up to their white legacy. Even the Vikings weren't as anal as these guys were. There was plenty of documentation that the Vikings were in America way before Columdeusch. It's just that Columdeusch worked for the world's leading superpower at the time...that's all.

Columbus Day is so yesterday. I just don't understand how a white guy can go to the Americas, see that there are people that live there, kill and rape them, and believe that HE discovered America...even though there are people already there. It befuddles logical thinking.

[Phatscotty]

the thing that separates Columbus though is that it was a officially endorsed by a major government and therefore recorded officially into history at a time when many peoples of the world did not even have writing or an alphabet, so basically there was little to no competition against Columbus by way of 'history'

------So, CHINA is not a major government. A Country that has been around for over 4,000 years. China had dealings with the Roman Empire. Zheng He was sent by the Emperor to visit parts of the world. I believe you wanted to say WHITE WESTERN HISTORY. China didn't try and move in and take over. When Europeans brought death to the natives of The Americas. So, teaching the truth isn't sad. Just that it's the truth. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

China is a major government, yes.

So... what year does Chinese history claim it discovered America, and who did the discovering?

WDK