Darth Vader and Communism

by **DaGip** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:02 am

What is the appeal to associate Darth Vader with the Soviet Union? I would think that Darth Vader would be more fascist than communist?

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/darth-vade ... soc_trk=ma

by **waauw** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:41 am

Both have a lot in common.

by **Bernie Sanders** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:37 am

DaGip wrote:What is the appeal to associate Darth Vader with the Soviet Union? I would think that Darth Vader would be more fascist than communist?

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/darth-vade ... soc_trk=ma

You can not be further from the truth as Darth Vader helmut was based on the helmut Germans used in world War I and II

by **tzor** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:31 pm

DaGip wrote:What is the appeal to associate Darth Vader with the Soviet Union? I would think that Darth Vader would be more fascist than communist?

If you want to get technical neither. It might be interesting to associate him with German Fascism, but that method tends to use a "blame" approach and not an "anger management" approach. The ideal German was supposed to be almost logical, dare I say Jedi, in emotional attitude. Logic dove extermination, not hate. Hate was used to get into power, but that abuse of the force was never used by the Sith.

by **DaGip** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:39 pm

Logic drives genocide?

by **waauw** on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:40 pm

DaGip wrote:Logic drives genocide?

by **mrswdk** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:41 am

tzor wrote:
DaGip wrote:What is the appeal to associate Darth Vader with the Soviet Union? I would think that Darth Vader would be more fascist than communist?

If you want to get technical neither. It might be interesting to associate him with German Fascism, but that method tends to use a "blame" approach and not an "anger management" approach. The ideal German was supposed to be almost logical, dare I say Jedi, in emotional attitude. Logic dove extermination, not hate. Hate was used to get into power, but that abuse of the force was never used by the Sith.

tzor supports the Holocaust.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:57 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:
You can not be further from the truth as Darth Vader helmut was based on the helmut Germans used in world War I and II

The shape of his helmet is definitely the key to understanding his philosophy.

Another astounding piece of Input from Bernie Saunders.

by **mrswdk** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:04 am

He also had a deep voice like Bill Cosby.

by **tzor** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:06 pm

DaGip wrote:Logic drives genocide?

To use the famous Dr. Who example of logic ...
All cows are purple ...
Flossy is a cow ...
Therefore Flossy is ...

When initial inputs are incorrect, logic always drives towards an incorrect answer. Darwinian eugenics of the late 19th century and early 20th century demanded that the inferior (who tended to be both poor and who had lots of children) should be eliminated, one way or the other. Some people wanted them killed outright, but humanely, others wanted them to be simply never be born.

H.G. Wells (a very logical man indeed) "I believe that if a canvass of the entire civilized world were put to the vote in this matter, the proposition that it is desirable that the better sort of people should intermarry and have plentiful children, and that the inferior sort of people should abstain from multiplication, would be carried by an overwhelming majority."

George Bernard Shaw "The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?"

Margaret Sanger "We are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all—that the wealth of individuals and of state is being diverted from the development and the progress of human expression and civilization."

Now there is a subtle difference between the classical eugenicists and the German Nazi beliefs, but that is a result of the former concentrating on class while the later concentrated on race.

Moreover, I believe I have heard recent arguments that it was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem that had convinced Hitler that sweeping the Jews from Europe would only have them flood into Jerusalem so that the only "final" solution would be their extermination. Thus the "logic" went from removing them to exterminating them.

by **tzor** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:12 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:You can not be further from the truth as Darth Vader helmut was based on the helmut Germans used in world War I and II

Really?

Looks like Darth Vader?

by **muy_thaiguy** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:30 pm

No, it's more based off the kabuto, or samurai helmet.

In fact, Star Wars has quite a bit of influence from Japanese/samurai culture.

by **DaGip** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:34 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:No, it's more based off the kabuto, or samurai helmet.

In fact, Star Wars has quite a bit of influence from Japanese/samurai culture.

Japanese were fascists too...

by **muy_thaiguy** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:40 pm

So not the point.

by **Bernie Sanders** on Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:43 pm

tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:You can not be further from the truth as Darth Vader helmut was based on the helmut Germans used in world War I and II

Really?

Looks like Darth Vader?

YES, REALLY!

Here's a World War I helmet

by **mrswdk** on Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:54 am

DaGip wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:No, it's more based off the kabuto, or samurai helmet.

In fact, Star Wars has quite a bit of influence from Japanese/samurai culture.

Japanese were fascists too...

Right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... l_massacre

by **Phatscotty** on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:00 am

by **Phatscotty** on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:17 am

Lenin Statue in Ukraine Turned Into Darth Vader

A statue of Vladimir Lenin in Odessa, Ukraine, has been refashioned into Darth Vader. A Ukrainian artist, Alexander Milov, whose work appeared at Burning Man this year, transformed the statue in response to recent decommunization laws, which require the removal of Communist symbols in Ukraine.

Lenin’s face has been covered by Darth Vader’s mask, and his coat has been turned into a cape. The helmet also reportedly serves as a Wi-Fi hot spot.

“I wanted to make a symbol of American pop culture which appears to be more durable than the Soviet ideal,” Mr. Milov told the BBC.

The decommunization law was passed in April by the Ukrainian Parliament following Russian military aggression into the country.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/ ... p=cur&_r=0