Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet

[saxitoxin]

After repeated warnings to Russia about their SU-24 fighter jets trespassing over Turkey airspace today and in the last 30 days, Turkey has shot down a Russian SU-24 over Turkey airspace.

Now even the U.S. is backpeddling, realizing things have just gone one step too far.

The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-hit-i ... 11956.html

Meanwhile, more experts are lining-up to agree that President Dr Bashar al-Assad and the Ba'ath movement has netted a strategic victory with this latest buffoonery by Turkey/NATO.

And everyone is agreeing Turkey will be slowly bled before it is finally made to eat its just dessert -

Russia is now Turkey’s second-largest trading partner and 60% of its natural gas comes from Russia.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... -on-russia

[DaGip]

I vote for kicking Turkey out of NATO.

[Keefie]

I vote for kicking Turkey out of NATO.

Gets my vote.

[saxitoxin]

Felgengauer: "We Can Always Nuke Turkey"

The chances of war between Russia and Turkey are now "most likely", claimed one of Moscow's most respected military analysts.

Pavel Felgengauer said Ankara is seeking to protect a zone in northern Syria controlled by its allies, the Turkmens. After the downing of the the Russian warplane on Tuesday, Moscow must either accept this zone "or start a war with Turkey" which it could only win by going nuclear, he said.

"It is most likely that it will be war," said Felgenhauer, an analyst for liberal Novaya Gazeta.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ut-6893184

NATO to Turkey: "You're On Your Own!"

Meanwhile, like it did with France, the flacid NATO coalition (what is now proving to be the most unreliable alliance since Chris Brown and Rihanna) is already crumbling ... and it's only been 24 hours!

If you’re worried that Turkey’s going to use Article 5 of NATO to drag the U.S. and other western nations into a hot war with Russia, don’t be. Sounds from this response like NATO will fall apart before anyone goes to the mat for the Turks.

NATO ambassadors called on Ankara to show “cool-headedness” on Tuesday following an emergency meeting in Brussels, after Turkey shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border, diplomats said.

Diplomats present at the meeting told Reuters that while none of the 28 NATO envoys defended Russia’s actions, many expressed concern that Turkey did not escort the Russian warplane out of its airspace.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/24/n ... -airspace/

NATO represents America's foothold in Europe. If any event occurs that causes the little countries to question America's sincerity, Europe will bolt like a scared rabbit. If you suddenly found out your insurance company wouldn't pay, would you keep your policy? Washington is in a panic now, desperately trying to deescalate so a situation doesn't develop in which Russia calls the Great Bluff of the American defensive umbrella.

[Phatscotty]

Nice looking plane. Shame to shoot it down.

On the other hand, a dead Russian is a good thing.

I'm torn.

Me too, mixed emotions

Like PimpDavid driving off a cliff... in my new Batmobile

[saxitoxin]

Breaking: Obama Holds Online Vote on Whether He Should Pardon Turkey

[Bernie Sanders]

Ok, for those who look at this thread and think what a great way to say what I want about who I want, think of it this way we play risk here you win some you lose some move on to the next game, you CC players are from all over the world, you feel you know what is going on around you, you think you know how alot of people around you think. If you do,really think about the possibility of what might in real life happen next, no matter where you are, time to put aside your differences, ideological,racial etc, it starts with one person, YOU. ALL LIVES MATTER,it doesn't matter who you are or where your from, speak it mean it, words have power, they can build or destroy empires, how many of you got the guts to try and make a difference?

With all the chest pounding going on yesterday, today is a new day and I believe ALL SIDES do not want to escalate this one incident into a messy war between NATO and RUSSIA.

[saxitoxin]

LOL, you know you're in a pile of shit when even a sycophantic western propaganda outlet like CNN is running a headline like this -





Yes, CNN. Yes, it is. Things are about to change for Europe.

[Bernie Sanders]

Not sure where you get your make believe news.

The fact is and has been verified, The Russian jets had 10 warnings over 5 minutes.

Heck, Saxi, I remember how you bragged about Russians chasing off of Israeli jets a few short weeks ago.



It's now obvious that you are not an American citizen, but a Russian stooge to fill this forum with Russian propaganda.

[saxitoxin]

Not sure where you get your make believe news.

[jgordon1111]

Ok Bernie& said, try looking at BBC.com, first everyone agreed yesterday 17 seconds over the border even USA agreed it was hasty yesterday and saxi yesterday not even Russia denied warnings, they just denied airspace violation.everyone knows what's at stake,some are looking for the least violent way out.

[GoranZ]

This was a war crime, plain and simple. Russia has an inherent, legal right of self-defense,

Russia has long maintained the right to shoot down any planes, even harmless civilian planes, that violate its airspace, even accidentally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_%28airplane%29

Soviet not Russian, why you are not looking for accidents before WWI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402

Bulgaria was the one that downed this plane, you imbecile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Since Russia believes in the right to shoot down even civilian flights that accidentally violate its airspace, it should without question accept the shooting down of a military flight that intentionally violated Turkish airspace.

Again Soviets, not Russians, you idiot... Both planes were quite off route, and not where they were suppose to be.

As you say dead Dukasaur is good Dukasaur.

Ankara's oil business with ISIS

Downed in 17 seconds? Where Turkey’s story of Su-24 violating airspace just doesn’t add up

I presume the Kurds in Turkey will get high wind in their back now... And Turkish attack aircraft's in Syria/Iraq would be considered as legitimate targets. I presume the revenge will come eventually.

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi is hoping for a nuclear war. Yes, he does and wants Russia to start raining down atomic bombs on Turkey.

What a meat head.

[GoranZ]

Saxi is hoping for a nuclear war. Yes, he does and wants Russia to start raining down atomic bombs on Turkey.

What a meat head.

Don't blame him for being able to make a monkey out of you, blame your self, you are the monkey

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi is hoping for a nuclear war. Yes, he does and wants Russia to start raining down atomic bombs on Turkey.

What a meat head.

Don't blame him for being able to make a monkey out of you, blame your self, you are the monkey

Oh geezes, Putin's boot licker.

[saxitoxin]

another thread turned into Bernie Sanders just screaming at the top of his lungs as everyone quietly backs out of the room

[saxitoxin]

It gets better and better!

1. Russia has announced it's moving the S-400 batteries to Latakia (freshly conquered by the Syrian Arab Army). That will effectively make the southern 1/3 of Turkey a no-fly zone for Turkey's own air force, like northern Israel became for the IDF once the Two Red Banners Caspian Fleet was moved into Tartus. With Turkey unable to operate in the southern half of its own country it's going to be impossible to keep a lid on the Kurdish insurgency. Turkey is about to become the next Sri Lanka ... but on the EU's doorstep.

BOOM BOOM BOOM



2. AINA reports that the Turkish Army destroyed 13 PKK garrisons right after the Russian plane attack. This is an AINA release so isn't confirmed but, if true, it's hard to imagine America keeping the Kurdistan Regional Government on its side past the weekend. (The pundits may be right - this will be the biggest realignment of players in the M.E. in a quarter-century.) Why does America need enemies when it has friends like Turkey?

(Oh yeah, and the U.S. just pulled out all the Patriot batteries from Turkey three weeks ago- good timing, ha!)

[notyou2]

It's just two puffed up politicians (Putin and Erdogan) waiting for the other to exhale. Someone needs to stick a pin in each of their overinflated egos.

[saxitoxin]

Turkey's democratic opposition has denounced the Turkish attack on Russia as having been "planned in advance."

Meanwhile, mass pro-democracy demonstrations against Erdogan have been scheduled for Istanbul for the weekend. I'll be interested to see what the body count is come Monday after Erdogan sends in the army with guns blazing again. Turkey is spiraling out of control by itself ... just these few little pushes from Russia will probably be enough to move things from chaotic to apocalyptic.

Hard to imagine how the EU will be able to deal with the implosion of the Turkish state on top of everything else it's facing; based on the battering the FTSE and DAX took yesterday it looks like Europe is already ruining its underwear.

[Dukasaur]

This was a war crime, plain and simple. Russia has an inherent, legal right of self-defense,

Russia has long maintained the right to shoot down any planes, even harmless civilian planes, that violate its airspace, even accidentally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_%28airplane%29

Soviet not Russian, why you are not looking for accidents before WWI?

The same gang of OGPU thugs that has been running Russia for 98 years is still running Russia. They can change their name, but that sadistic look comes through in the eyes. You look into the eyes of Putin and it is no different than looking into the eyes of Beria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402

Bulgaria was the one that downed this plane, you imbecile

Bulgaria was under Russian control at the time, a completely obedient satellite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Since Russia believes in the right to shoot down even civilian flights that accidentally violate its airspace, it should without question accept the shooting down of a military flight that intentionally violated Turkish airspace.

Again Soviets, not Russians, you idiot... Both planes were quite off route, and not where they were suppose to be.

Don't play stupid games. An OGPU thug is the same as a KGB thug is the same as a whatever-they-call-themselves-now thug.

Changing the name doesn't change the reality. Putin = KGB thug = OGPU thug. I'm sure Putin spends his weekends jerking off while watching political prisoners being tortured.

[jgordon1111]

Wow duk, taking a hard line stance. Always be objective, look at both sides, what are the real objectives and who benefits the most, first step how many countries involved have political elections coming up, second how many of the involved are being nudged by what is happening in their home countries need to refocuse attention elsewhere? Who has the least to lose from those above? That is who has the biggest bargaining chip right now.

[mrswdk]

This was a war crime, plain and simple. Russia has an inherent, legal right of self-defense,

Russia has long maintained the right to shoot down any planes, even harmless civilian planes, that violate its airspace, even accidentally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_%28airplane%29

Soviet not Russian, why you are not looking for accidents before WWI?

The same gang of OGPU thugs that has been running Russia for 98 years is still running Russia. They can change their name, but that sadistic look comes through in the eyes. You look into the eyes of Putin and it is no different than looking into the eyes of Beria.

lol. And when me hip starts a-hurtin', that's how ah know here's gone be rainin' soon!

[Bernie Sanders]

another thread turned into Bernie Sanders just screaming at the top of his lungs as everyone quietly backs out of the room

I believe it's you and everyone who can read your recent posts, would agree. You are the one who is upset and crying for Mother Russia to flatten Ankara. To threaten the United States with nuclear retaliation, if NATO would come to Turkey's defense.

Saxi, you need to take your chill pills and mix it up with some vodka. Your Russian bias is showing your ignorance.

Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union, but Russia's economy is shrinking and soon the populace will come to realize that Putin is destroying the country.

[GoranZ]

This was a war crime, plain and simple. Russia has an inherent, legal right of self-defense,

Russia has long maintained the right to shoot down any planes, even harmless civilian planes, that violate its airspace, even accidentally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_%28airplane%29

Soviet not Russian, why you are not looking for accidents before WWI?

The same gang of OGPU thugs that has been running Russia for 98 years is still running Russia. They can change their name, but that sadistic look comes through in the eyes. You look into the eyes of Putin and it is no different than looking into the eyes of Beria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402

Bulgaria was the one that downed this plane, you imbecile

Bulgaria was under Russian control at the time, a completely obedient satellite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Since Russia believes in the right to shoot down even civilian flights that accidentally violate its airspace, it should without question accept the shooting down of a military flight that intentionally violated Turkish airspace.

Again Soviets, not Russians, you idiot... Both planes were quite off route, and not where they were suppose to be.

Don't play stupid games. An OGPU thug is the same as a KGB thug is the same as a whatever-they-call-themselves-now thug.

Changing the name doesn't change the reality. Putin = KGB thug = OGPU thug. I'm sure Putin spends his weekends jerking off while watching political prisoners being tortured.

If you think that Soviet Union is the same as Russia you should visit a doctor, maybe he can hep you with your sickness.

Once again... As you say dead Dukasaur is good Dukasaur.

another thread turned into Bernie Sanders just screaming at the top of his lungs as everyone quietly backs out of the room

I believe it's you and everyone who can read your recent posts, would agree. You are the one who is upset and crying for Mother Russia to flatten Ankara. To threaten the United States with nuclear retaliation, if NATO would come to Turkey's defense.

Saxi, you need to take your chill pills and mix it up with some vodka. Your Russian bias is showing your ignorance.

Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union, but Russia's economy is shrinking and soon the populace will come to realize that Putin is destroying the country.

Same as Dukasaur if you think that Soviet Union is the same as Russia you should visit a doctor, maybe he can hep you with your sickness.

BTW you do realize that United States public debt represents 1/3 of Worlds debt. You must be proud that you owe everyone.

[Bernie Sanders]