Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

[Doc_Brown]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

[GabonX]

BS- she said she's willing to testify once an undergoing FBI investigation is completed.

BS - there is no "undergoing FBI investigation." The FBI already declined to investigate since they don't investigate allegations of fourth degree assault, shoplifting, parking in a fire zone, etc. If she wants an investigation she needs to go to the Bethesda County Sheriff and tell them she wants to press charges for a fourth degree assault that happened 35 years ago.

It's an easy out for her to avoid a perjury charge. Agree to testify under oath but only if an impossible condition is first met.

"I'll testify if the Earth reverses rotation for 24 hours. See - I'm perfectly willing to testify!"

However, highly psychopathic women from the general population demonstrate a stronger correlation between psychopathic traits and self-perception as negotiation partner compared to men: they make more use of manipulation and perceive themselves as more powerful in negotiation situations.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 013-3902-9

women more often display a more relational and verbal form of aggression.51,52,56 This may, for instance, occur through manipulation of social networks in attempting to exclude the victim from a community.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3379858/

Just sayin...

[Neoteny]

Lol what a travesty.

[GabonX]

If Ford is serious she'll pursue an investigation through the venues open to her not say "I want the FBI to investigate or I won't participate!" or "I demand dinner with Liam from One Direction before I provide any more information!"

It's utterly bizarre and is a blatant attempt to avoid having to perjure herself by setting conditions no one has the power to meet.

qft

[karel]

i think this lady is so full of shit,who cares what she says,get this judge his votes to get him in,besides them dems have done lot worse then what he has done according to this left wing nut,also dont forget all these lame brain protesters were paid by sorros,so their you go

[spurgistan]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

[saxitoxin]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

The FBI has said it won't investigate as the allegation does not allege any potential federal crime.

You are suggesting the President directly override the FBI's independence and order it to undertake actions against its own judgment. Previously we'd been hearing the President should never override the FBI's independence and order it to undertake actions against its own judgment.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[saxitoxin]

The Ford story continues to unravel. Ford is a Democratic Party donor under long-term mental health treatment who has made unsubstantiated allegations against Judge Kavanaugh.

Now, another of Ford's "smoking gun" witnesses has publicly refuted her allegations.

Patrick J. Smyth — who graduated with Kavanaugh from Georgetown Prep in North Bethesda, Md., in 1983 — also denied seeing any “improper conduct” from the nominee, CNN reported, citing a letter written by Smyth’s lawyer and sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as ‘PJ’ who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post,” Smyth says in the statement,

“I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/19/kavanaugh ... -at-party/

Just like Rolling Stone - which subsequently had to pay $6 million in libel damages - the Amazon Washington Post made no effort at independent corroboration by contacting the people Ford named as witnesses. And so far, both of the witnesses named by Ford have rejected her allegations.

Ford continues to refuse to repeat her allegations under oath before Congress. She even refuses to simply sign an affidavit in front of a Notary Public.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

Everybody who can move their body has a nonzero chance of having assaulted somebody.

[Symmetry]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

Everybody who can move their body has a nonzero chance of having assaulted somebody.

Profound.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

Everybody who can move their body has a nonzero chance of having assaulted somebody.

Profound.

It obviously needed said otherwise i wouldn't have said it. It's funny because the moralists on this site want to railroad a guy who hasn't been proven to have committed any crime, thus negating their moral high-ground. Innocent until proven guilty. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything, and women and false rape/sexual assault accusations are almost never punished, ruining innocent lives in the process.

It's amazing really how you'll overlook a constitutional right just because you don't like a guy's politics. For the record, I'm on the fence about him because i would not support a reversal on roe v wade, i just don't believe in ruining his career or life because he's anti-abortion.

Beware any one who tries to legitimize their bullshit with "they took a polygraph." A polygraph has no merit and to my understanding isn't allowed as evidence in court. It's just a tool used by authoritarian pigs to undermine you or, as is possible in this case, lend false credibility to an otherwise unreliable account because enough people believe the bullshit. It's a lie.

For entertainment purposes:

[Symmetry]

Another difference between Thomas and Kavanaugh: the allegations against Thomas were for sexual harassment while employed by the federal government. That case was explicitly within the jurisdiction of the FBI and could have resulted in legal charges for Thomas. In Kavanaugh's case, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction, and even if allegations are accurate as stated, they are well outside the statute of limitations for any law enforcement agency. So the only group left to investigate is the senate judicial committee. They are attempting to do so, but the accuser is refusing to cooperate.

That's not quite correct, according to NBC. The FBI can, and does, but since it's the President's nominee only his office can request it. No reason why Trump wouldn't want sexual assault claims investigated, right? Additionally, you think the Republican Senate is going to run a fair investigation of an alleged sexual assault survivor, given their president?

Also, IANAL, but wouldn't statue of limitations only refer to the ability to be found guilty, not the ability to conduct an investigation into what happened? He doesn't have to be found guilty in a court of law to not be somebody we want to be made one of the most powerful people in the world for 30 years. If there's a nonzero chance he assaulted somebody, give some other person the job, right?

Everybody who can move their body has a nonzero chance of having assaulted somebody.

Profound.

It obviously needed said otherwise i wouldn't have said it.

I'm gonna stop you there with that line of non-thinking.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yes yes, continue on your merry way of avoiding self-awareness or integrity. Burn the heretics and all.

[Symmetry]

Yes yes, continue on your merry way of avoiding self-awareness or integrity. Burn the heretics and all.

Fine, I like The Wire too. We done with this?

Let's hope so.

[karel]

this whole hearing is like Swiss cheese,compared to what the dems have gotten away with,this shit is minor...not important

[Symmetry]

I'm generally of the opinion that attempted rape accusations should at least be investigated.

[saxitoxin]

I'm generally of the opinion that attempted rape accusations should at least be investigated.

Agreed.

Fortunately the United State Senate is investigating it. Senate investigations have successfully broken previous cases including the Iran-Contra scandal, criminal activities of the FBI and CIA (Church Committee), the Bobby Baker Case, etc. The Judiciary Committee has 96 full-time staff and 21 Senators, the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as access to unlimited funds and unlimited authority. Established in 1816, the Senate Judiciary Committee is the United States' oldest investigatory tribunal. There is no one better equipped to investigate any matter.

[Symmetry]

I'm generally of the opinion that attempted rape accusations should at least be investigated.

Agreed.

Fortunately the United State Senate is investigating it.
Senate investigations have successfully broken previous cases including the Iran-Contra scandal, criminal activities of the FBI and CIA (Church Committee), the Bobby Baker Case, etc. The Judiciary Committee has 96 full-time staff, as well as access to unlimited funds and unlimited authority. Established in 1816, the Senate Judiciary Committee is the United States' oldest investigatory tribunal. There is no one better equipped to investigate any matter.

You had me going for a while there. Nicely played.

[saxitoxin]

I'm generally of the opinion that attempted rape accusations should at least be investigated.

Agreed.

Fortunately the United State Senate is investigating it.
Senate investigations have successfully broken previous cases including the Iran-Contra scandal, criminal activities of the FBI and CIA (Church Committee), the Bobby Baker Case, etc. The Judiciary Committee has 96 full-time staff, as well as access to unlimited funds and unlimited authority. Established in 1816, the Senate Judiciary Committee is the United States' oldest investigatory tribunal. There is no one better equipped to investigate any matter.

You had me going for a while there. Nicely played.

The Senate Judiciary Committee also successfully investigated the Bill Clinton Molestation Scandal of 1996 so they have a proven track record shedding light on sexual abuse of plus-sized women by privileged white men.

[Symmetry]

I'm generally of the opinion that attempted rape accusations should at least be investigated.

Agreed.

Fortunately the United State Senate is investigating it.
Senate investigations have successfully broken previous cases including the Iran-Contra scandal, criminal activities of the FBI and CIA (Church Committee), the Bobby Baker Case, etc. The Judiciary Committee has 96 full-time staff, as well as access to unlimited funds and unlimited authority. Established in 1816, the Senate Judiciary Committee is the United States' oldest investigatory tribunal. There is no one better equipped to investigate any matter.

You had me going for a while there. Nicely played.

The Senate Judiciary Committee also successfully investigated the Bill Clinton Molestation Scandal so they have a track record of experience in shedding light on sexual abuse of women by privileged white men.

Now I'm not sure if you got the joke...

[Symmetry]

Weird, anyways... back on topic...

[saxitoxin]

Weird, anyways... back on topic...

OK, fair enough.

Who saw the protester road show in Senator Grassley's office today? Do you think they travel with their own cardiologist?

[Symmetry]

Weird, anyways... back on topic...

OK, fair enough.

Who saw the protester road show in Senator Grassley's office today? Do you think they travel with their own cardiologist?

What makes you think that one of those women couldn't be a cardiologist?

[karel]

that women should be in jail for lying,and should be sued

[Symmetry]

that women should be in jail for lying,and should be sued

And it's exactly that kind of response that makes her want to be sure of her safety if she testifies.