Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I'm mostly just enjoying nailing down the unrepentant misogynists

Nice symmetry move, bro.

What move is that? Constantly owning your dumb ass? Good on him then.

Like, Gabon and Tails ostensibly have some sort of excuse in being rejected and humiliated by every woman in their life, so they write off fifty percent of the population because clearly the problem is the women.

Bahaha

[Neoteny]

There wasn't ridiculous Democrat grandstanding in the Gorusch hearings.

If you say so, man.

There weren't those silly women who dress up in red from that (hyper realistic, definitely going to happen in the US) show standing around everywhere like weird homeless nuns.

Lol this is what happens when the normies protest. Like, the only frame of reference anyone balls deep in neoliberalism has anymore is TV shows and silly hats. Our president is a boob tube goblin, so what would you expect the "resistance" to look like? It's going to be full of dorks who watch West Wing and feel offended at the thought that some #norms were ignored, and then go buy shit to express their displeasure.

But on the list of "political activity that greek finds acceptable" we can cross off "leftist style direct action of disrupting and fighting oppressive systems," and we can cross off "neoliberal style protesting where you stand around awkwardly in a place that is associated with politics." That pretty much leaves "yelling at your television," "voting every two to four years," and "buying the votes of politicians," which sounds about right coming from you.

Perhaps. Seems pretty clear to me from the hearings themselves that the issue is primarily about abortion and secondarily about whether Kavanaugh would somehow prevent a Trump impeachment. I can understand the former being important to liberals. I don't get the latter given how unlikely it is that any impeachable offenses would come out against Trump (and trust me, I would much rather have President Pence (or Cruz or Rubio) than President Trump). If there are other issues sitting out there, please certainly let me know.

My read on that is just that having the first president taken all the way to impeachment (I doubt he'd resign) is a bad look politically. And Republicans know any hearings on that front would bring up other dumb stuff he's done, even if that stuff isn't impeachment worthy. Congressmen would no doubt rather have Pence, but probably fear how the process to get there would reflect on the party.

[thegreekdog]

I mean...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/25/politics ... index.html

"Beto is way hotter than you." - Seriously. You people suck at politics.

Also, CNN, realtalk - If we listen to the video, we can hear the "Beto is way hotter than you" comment. Maybe address it in your article? What? No? Oh, right, you don't want to make the point that these people suck at politics. Gotcha. Carry on. Another example of "why trump won" in action.

I mean, something mean somebody says while doing a mean (but hilarious) thing to a terrible person is not quite a news story unto itself, no? And... you think trump "won" because of some lefty factually referring to ted cruz as less attractive than beto o'rourke, which ted kinda invited by asking us to laugh at a sexy picture of beto o'rourke (I can assume that the jester was referring obliquely to this tweet? Trump "won" thanks to tax cuts and white anger.

Hmm... I was referring more to the apparently tacit approval of the media that "protestors" (in the loosest sense of term) can interrupt unfavored politicians' meals and home life.

[thegreekdog]

Lol this is what happens when the normies protest. Like, the only frame of reference anyone balls deep in neoliberalism has anymore is TV shows and silly hats. Our president is a boob tube goblin, so what would you expect the "resistance" to look like? It's going to be full of dorks who watch West Wing and feel offended at the thought that some #norms were ignored, and then go buy shit to express their displeasure.

But on the list of "political activity that greek finds acceptable" we can cross off "leftist style direct action of disrupting and fighting oppressive systems," and we can cross off "neoliberal style protesting where you stand around awkwardly in a place that is associated with politics." That pretty much leaves "yelling at your television," "voting every two to four years," and "buying the votes of politicians," which sounds about right coming from you.

People can protest however they want. I'm not questioning whether protests are acceptable. I'm questioning whether protests are effective. Perhaps I'm wrong and these protests are effective. Think of it like this - celebrities can do whatever they want relative to politics. But Robert DeNiro saying "f*ck Trump" and getting a standing ovation is not effective protest. "I know, a multimillionaire saying a phrase said by millions of people in the recent and then receiving a standing ovation from other mutlimillionaires is a surefire way to make sure we get people out to vote and people to switch from Trump to [insert Dem presidential candidate here]."

In any event, voting and lobbying are WAY more effective. Once you guys understand that, you'll be horrendous to stop. Thankfully, seems like liberals haven't realized those things yet.

My read on that is just that having the first president taken all the way to impeachment (I doubt he'd resign) is a bad look politically. And Republicans know any hearings on that front would bring up other dumb stuff he's done, even if that stuff isn't impeachment worthy. Congressmen would no doubt rather have Pence, but probably fear how the process to get there would reflect on the party.

I don't know if I agree with you or not at this point but lean towards agreement. As time passes, Republicans become more and more tied to Trump. However, the president has said and done a lot of dumb stuff. Seems to me the Republicans are gritting their teeth, getting tax reform, getting two conservative justices, and trying to manage anything else as best they can (e.g. North Korea, trade wars, etc.); but those things tie them to Trump. What I'm hoping for is once Kavanaugh or whomever gets confirmed, the Republicans get demolished in the mid-terms, Trump gets impeached, and then the Republican Party breaks up into the white nationalists and everyone else.

[Neoteny]

People can protest however they want. I'm not questioning whether protests are acceptable. I'm questioning whether protests are effective. Perhaps I'm wrong and these protests are effective. Think of it like this - celebrities can do whatever they want relative to politics. But Robert DeNiro saying "f*ck Trump" and getting a standing ovation is not effective protest. "I know, a multimillionaire saying a phrase said by millions of people in the recent and then receiving a standing ovation from other mutlimillionaires is a surefire way to make sure we get people out to vote and people to switch from Trump to [insert Dem presidential candidate here]."

In any event, voting and lobbying are WAY more effective. Once you guys understand that, you'll be horrendous to stop. Thankfully, seems like liberals haven't realized those things yet.

This is fine for the libs, and they do lobby for things like gun control and whatnot. It's much harder for us on the left since, you know (I know, you don't actually know), most of us don't have the money.

and then the Republican Party breaks up into the white nationalists and everyone else.

lol let me know how that goes for you

[thegreekdog]

People can protest however they want. I'm not questioning whether protests are acceptable. I'm questioning whether protests are effective. Perhaps I'm wrong and these protests are effective. Think of it like this - celebrities can do whatever they want relative to politics. But Robert DeNiro saying "f*ck Trump" and getting a standing ovation is not effective protest. "I know, a multimillionaire saying a phrase said by millions of people in the recent and then receiving a standing ovation from other mutlimillionaires is a surefire way to make sure we get people out to vote and people to switch from Trump to [insert Dem presidential candidate here]."

In any event, voting and lobbying are WAY more effective. Once you guys understand that, you'll be horrendous to stop. Thankfully, seems like liberals haven't realized those things yet.

This is fine for the libs, and they do lobby for things like gun control and whatnot. It's much harder for us on the left since, you know (I know, you don't actually know), most of us don't have the money.

Opensecrets.org is a good website.

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-looku ... frey+Bezos

Nice smattering of Republicans and Democrats by the richest man in the world. I did some research on this a few years ago and, for the most part, rich people donate money to everyone, regardless of political party. In any event, the "we don't have money" argument is silly. Also, I've heard a lot recently about how poor white people are Trumpists and rich/educated white people are Democrats. So I'm not sure the Dems can plead "we don't have any money" at this point.

Before I get banned for being off topic... the conflicts going on in Seattle bear watching. It will be a good microcosm for what could happen in the United States (since we're not allowed to analogize Venezuela).

[Neoteny]

Democrats aren't the left, Greek. They're almost all neoliberals.

[tzor]

This is actually turning out to be great for us. Any other President would have withdrawn support from Kavanaugh by now, but Trump has not. He's cultivating the Manhattan favor-based economy.

This is the perfect example of the no win scenario: If Trump turns his back on him you would accuse him of cowardice; if he supports him you would accuse him of influence. "Any other President" ... well let's look at the recent ones in history ... weak puppets of the establishment who always try to get along to get along and thus never really get anything done (and that includes Obama). Trump isn't that person; you can't bully the man into a whimper.

Remember it was Trump who first insisted that she be given her say. In the end, if she doesn't show up on Thursday, it's her fault not Trump's. I'm sick and tired of these witch hunts. If he is guilty produce the evidence ... IN A COURT OF LAW. The era of witch hunts and drumhead cout-martials should be OVER.

[tzor]

Democrats aren't the left, Greek. They're almost all neoliberals.

Not anymore. The Neoliberals have sold out to the Socialists because it apparently polls well with the young voters.

Most of the Neoliberals were dismantled after the Community Organizer became president. Obama managed to con the Socialists that he was taking them n the road to glorious single payer health care, but now that he is gone from the active scene they have taken more and more power, as can be seen by the fact that they had to rig the primaries to keep Bernie Sanders out and Clinton in. Many candidates flat out claim they are socialists (national socialists to be precise never realizing who that other group of national socialists were called in that not always great history of Germany). Others use it as a talking point.

I would even argue that there are NO LIBERALS in the Democratic party anymore, in the European or the American sense. They are generally in favor of heavy censorship of anything that isn't in line with party thinking. They do not believe in any rights whatsoever, except loyal obedience to their party.

[Neoteny]

Democrats aren't the left, Greek. They're almost all neoliberals.

Not anymore. The Neoliberals have sold out to the Socialists because it apparently polls well with the young voters.

Most of the Neoliberals were dismantled after the Community Organizer became president. Obama managed to con the Socialists that he was taking them n the road to glorious single payer health care, but now that he is gone from the active scene they have taken more and more power, as can be seen by the fact that they had to rig the primaries to keep Bernie Sanders out and Clinton in. Many candidates flat out claim they are socialists (national socialists to be precise never realizing who that other group of national socialists were called in that not always great history of Germany). Others use it as a talking point.

I would even argue that there are NO LIBERALS in the Democratic party anymore, in the European or the American sense. They are generally in favor of heavy censorship of anything that isn't in line with party thinking. They do not believe in any rights whatsoever, except loyal obedience to their party.

This is a work of art.

[thegreekdog]

Democrats aren't the left, Greek. They're almost all neoliberals.

Not anymore. The Neoliberals have sold out to the Socialists because it apparently polls well with the young voters.

Most of the Neoliberals were dismantled after the Community Organizer became president. Obama managed to con the Socialists that he was taking them n the road to glorious single payer health care, but now that he is gone from the active scene they have taken more and more power, as can be seen by the fact that they had to rig the primaries to keep Bernie Sanders out and Clinton in. Many candidates flat out claim they are socialists (national socialists to be precise never realizing who that other group of national socialists were called in that not always great history of Germany). Others use it as a talking point.

I would even argue that there are NO LIBERALS in the Democratic party anymore, in the European or the American sense. They are generally in favor of heavy censorship of anything that isn't in line with party thinking. They do not believe in any rights whatsoever, except loyal obedience to their party.

This is a work of art.

Sure, sure. Dem primary is going to be lit!

[saxitoxin]

This is actually turning out to be great for us. Any other President would have withdrawn support from Kavanaugh by now, but Trump has not. He's cultivating the Manhattan favor-based economy.

This is the perfect example of the no win scenario: If Trump turns his back on him you would accuse him of cowardice; if he supports him you would accuse him of influence. "Any other President" ... well let's look at the recent ones in history ... weak puppets of the establishment who always try to get along to get along and thus never really get anything done (and that includes Obama). Trump isn't that person; you can't bully the man into a whimper.

Remember it was Trump who first insisted that she be given her say. In the end, if she doesn't show up on Thursday, it's her fault not Trump's. I'm sick and tired of these witch hunts. If he is guilty produce the evidence ... IN A COURT OF LAW. The era of witch hunts and drumhead cout-martials should be OVER.

Wait - what?

[saxitoxin]

Now it's jumped the shark. Race car driver turned attorney Mike Aventti has now dug up a woman with the most unbelievable porn based gang bang story imaginable. This was always the danger for the Democrats ... let this burn too long and eventually you'll get the UFO nutters to join in claiming Kavanaugh is a molesting Martian. Then everyone will roll their eyes and move on from the whole thing.

Kavanaugh will begin his life term on the court by a week from Friday.

[Neoteny]

Gotta get out in front of this one quick.

[thegreekdog]

I think Kavanaugh's done at this point. Time to nominate someone else.

Race car driver turned attorney Mike Aventti

Also future Democratic Party nominee for president.

[Neoteny]

So I honestly still don't know. The slugs like McConnell and his ilk will still be happy to vote for the guy, but at a certain point some of this shit is going to start sticking to them in the eyes of the electorate. Is it worth it to force this through and get your court at the expense of their near- to mid-term electoral prospects? My gut says yes, they've accomplished a lot of their short term goals as a party already and getting this done will cement this term as an absolute massacre of the Dems.

On the other hand, there has to be at least a couple Republicans with some fragment of a conscience left, right? Or, at least they have enough self interest in holding a purple seat to cave on this? Statistically speaking, someone should break here.

The main problem is that Republicans are fast approaching, if not already past, the deadline where they would want to start shoving through a different candidate. In hindsight, they should have abandoned Kav from the first, and may have shot themselves in the foot by sticking with him so long. These nomination processes aren't quick.

[mookiemcgee]

Race car driver turned attorney Mike Aventti

Also future Democratic Party nominee for president.

This does make me a little sick.

[thegreekdog]

So I honestly still don't know. The slugs like McConnell and his ilk will still be happy to vote for the guy, but at a certain point some of this shit is going to start sticking to them in the eyes of the electorate. Is it worth it to force this through and get your court at the expense of their near- to mid-term electoral prospects? My gut says yes, they've accomplished a lot of their short term goals as a party already and getting this done will cement this term as an absolute massacre of the Dems.

On the other hand, there has to be at least a couple Republicans with some fragment of a conscience left, right? Or, at least they have enough self interest in holding a purple seat to cave on this? Statistically speaking, someone should break here.

The main problem is that Republicans are fast approaching, if not already past, the deadline where they would want to start shoving through a different candidate. In hindsight, they should have abandoned Kav from the first, and may have shot themselves in the foot by sticking with him so long. These nomination processes aren't quick.

I suspect there are a few different items in play:

(1) How will keeping or dropping Kavanaugh affect the mid-terms? If they keep Kavanaugh will it energize anyone other than Democrats? If it does not, and Democrats are energized, you get your Supreme Court confirmation but lose everything else. If they drop Kavanaugh will Democrats remain energized and/or will Republican voters be energized? In other words, does dropping Kavanaugh give the Republicans a bump in the mid-term elections?Related aside, I read a couple articles indicating that part of the frustration of Republicans is that a lot of conservatives don't believe polls saying the Democrats are likely to win and thus conservatives are unlikely to take the mid-term elections seriously. Fascinating stuff.

(2) How likely is it that dropping Kavanaugh results in the loss of a conservative seat? All polls show Dems taking the House and having a slim chance in taking the Senate. Those polls are getting worse for Republicans every day (because of Kavanaugh and despite economic prosperity). If pull Kavanaugh and lose the Senate, no more conservative Supreme Court. But if they pull Kavanaugh and keep the Senate, they get another shot. This is basically the opposite of what the Democrats are banking on.

(3) How will dropping Kavanaugh affect future nominations? The basic tenor of this whole scandal is: (1) Allegations of sexual assault are sufficient to prevent a Supreme Court seat (the first accusation); or (2) Being a frat boy or someone who drinks alcohol excessively as a young adult or white privileged teenager or football player or rich person or conservative Republican man is sufficient to prevent a Supreme Court seat (essentially the second and third accusations where the accusers are basically saying Kavanaugh either hung out with the relevant people or may have been at the party in question, but not sure but I heard it from one of my friends). This is disturbing precedent for Republicans and Democrats (but let's be honest that this kind of thing would never sink a Democrat-supported nominee) such that with (2) being a thing apparently that would disqualify a number of Republicans from holding any kind of high office. So if Republicans do not pull the nomination or vote against, they've put themselves in a precedent-setting position that they will pull the plug on nominations where any of the above factors are present. It's kind of like the 20-point psychopathy test but for judges.

My view is you vote down Kavanaugh (i.e. every Republican votes no) or you force Trump to pull him. Then you nominate the woman from Notre Dame immediately. Republicans will be more energized, you at least retain some semblance of respectability to women voters who are erstwhile Republicans or conservatives, and see what the Democrats do with that. You take your risk in the mid-terms, where you're still slated to keep the Senate for now.

In the interest of full disclosure, I think Kavanaugh played football, drank beer, and probably tried to hook up with high school girls and he was friends with guys that did those things and engaged in sexual assault. I don't believe that Kavanaugh committed sexual assault. The lesson I take away from this is be careful what you do and who you're friends with and with whom you choose to associate because it can come back to haunt you. I think kids nowadays really better be taking notes on this because the internet knows all.

[saxitoxin]

Gotta get out in front of this one quick.

This one is going to fall apart all on its own.

According to the woman, 15 year-old Kavanaugh was the mastermind behind a two-year conspiracy to stage gang rapes at house parties in which Quaaludes were used to drug numerous girls.

And yet (a) she kept attending the gang rape parties, (b) no one ever called the police or told a teacher, (c) she can't remember the name of even one of the dozens of people she says were involved, aside from Kavanaugh, (d) she can't remember where they took place, (e) she can't remember when they took place.

[Symmetry]

Some of this may already have been covered, but updates wise, a lot has happened. So to keep people up to speed:

- 2 more women have come forward accusing Kavanaugh- one of sexual assault, one of rape, and perhaps serial rape.
- Kavanaugh presented a calendar as evidence to prove his innocence.
- Kavanaugh's yearbook entry was exposed, and it doesn't make him look good.
- More witnesses came forward to support the women.
- Some of Kavanuagh's backers are now withdrawing their support.

Not a great few days for Kavanaugh, but a real goldmine for investigative reporters.

[HitRed]

I thought Kavanaugh had a great day.

Still don't see any hard evidence against him.

So far no incriminating photos, period police reports, blue dresses or offspring.

[Symmetry]

I thought Kavanaugh had a great day.

Still don't see any hard evidence against him.

Were you expecting a rape tape?

[mookiemcgee]

Did anyone else here the interview where Kavanaugh claimed he couldn't of done this as he was still a virgin well into his 30's?

The scale of who's telling the truth would tip for me if a few women came out to just say they had consensual sex with him during these years.

[Symmetry]

Did anyone else here the interview where Kavanaugh claimed he couldn't of done this as he was still a virgin well into his 30's?

The scale of who's telling the truth would tip for me if a few women came out to just say they had consensual sex with him during these years.

To be fair, he said a lot of stuff in his interviews and testimony that have been now proven to be untruthful. I'm not sure the choir boy image he wanted to present really holds up to much scrutiny anymore.

I feel sorry for his wife, but then I did binge watch The Good Wife a month ago.