UK's drug problem revealed

by **mrswdk** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:37 am

In 2017, there were 7,697 alcohol-specific deaths in the UK:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... eredin2017

In contrast, there were only 56 MDMA-specific deaths and 29 cannabis-specific deaths:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... rencetable

by **2dimes** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:21 am

What is a "cannabis specific death"?

Someone gets baked and has a fatal accident or something I suspect.

Or are they are counting it if someone gets cannabis laced with a toxin?

Also why can't Apple spell cannabis, I notice google does not want to help either. I suppose I should relax and just spell it wrong but then betiko will bully me about it,

by **mrswdk** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 am

Those drug-related death stats are for deaths where the cause of death was drug poisoning or death due to drug abuse or addiction, and cannabis was mentioned on their death certificate.

Alcohol-related death numbers are deaths due to alcohol-specific conditions, not counting things like having an accident while drunk or cancers/liver problems that may or may not be partially attributable to alcohol use.

by **Dukasaur** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:01 am

Pretty much.

It isn't news, but it is still the truth. Alcohol and tobacco do far more damage worldwide than any illegal drugs.

by **2dimes** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:41 am

Ok, so fill me in. I'm not aware of how cannabis can cause harm besides brain damage or lung problems from smoke. Or are they all respiratory deaths?

by **DoomYoshi** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 pm

What I really want to know is how many Brexit-related deaths there are.

by **mrswdk** on Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:29 pm

Brexit is actually expected to contribute to a baby boom, so it will expand rather than shrink the population.

by **The ram** on Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:00 am

I remember reading someone's conspiracy theory about how recreational drugs have been used to weaken society.

by **tkr4lf** on Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:05 am

I'm with dimes, I'd like to know the specifics on the cannabis related deaths. From everything I've heard you would have to smoke your body weight in pot to overdose on it, which is impossible to do without passing out long before you reach it. So aside from lung problems I don't see how they can call it a cannabis related death?

by **mrswdk** on Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:40 am

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... singestion

by **2dimes** on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:12 am

I'll guess there might be some list if people that died from cannabis if you click enough links and download things.

That was like a Choose a Your Own Adventure Book. I was not going to down load anything. I just don't care enough.

I'm guessing it's kind of like water. People have died from drinking too much and having their brain swell or something.

I'm not sure we can conclude water is dangerous but someone could throw out the stats trying to make that claim.

This discussion possibly makes the point of your OP, presuming you were saying there are lots of things worse than the weed, booze being one.

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by **2dimes** on Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:03 am

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How many deaths has your product caused?

by **mrswdk** on Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:09 am

It's actually a thread about alcohol deaths. Alcohol is the number one most menacing drug and our governments actually profit off taxing the misery of millions. End alcohol now.

by **HitRed** on Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:50 am

For Lent I will learn to drink Bourbon properly.

by **Bernie Sanders** on Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:30 am

mrswdk wrote:It's actually a thread about alcohol deaths. Alcohol is the number one most menacing drug and our governments actually profit off taxing the misery of millions. End alcohol now.

Prohibition does not work! It only enriches criminals....duh. Might as well fund government aka communities to treat those addicted, hic-up.

by **armati** on Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:18 pm

Cannabis was mentioned on death certificates.
My guess is that listing it is just the procedure and is not a contributor to death at all.

uks drug problem might be alcohol, so is anywhere its consumed.

In 2002, alcohol was responsible for 4,258 deaths in Canada,

In Canada, opioids are now considered a big deal, the pharmaceuticals have got alot of people addicted and every city has opioid related deaths on a regular basis.

In 2017, there were 3,987 deaths linked to the use of opioids in Canada, alcohol is still the big one tho.

by **Symmetry** on Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:08 am

armati wrote:Cannabis was mentioned on death certificates.
My guess is that listing it is just the procedure and is not a contributor to death at all.

uks drug problem might be alcohol, so is anywhere its consumed.

In 2002, alcohol was responsible for 4,258 deaths in Canada,

In Canada, opioids are now considered a big deal, the pharmaceuticals have got alot of people addicted and every city has opioid related deaths on a regular basis.

In 2017, there were 3,987 deaths linked to the use of opioids in Canada, alcohol is still the big one tho.

Basically any drug that impairs decision making will be included in a death certificate if it requires an investigation. Cannabis does impair judgement, so would likely be listed as a factor if someone was to crash their car and cause a fatal accident.

Here's my two cents anyway- it's easy to say that cannabis and it's other stronger versions don't cause harm or death. They do though. It's just not always direct.

The comparison with alcohol is good. If you die while drunk, your death certificate may well mention alcohol. Drive while high as a kite- same.

by **The ram** on Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:29 am

Marijuana related deaths will be people who died with thc in their system, there would in almost all the cases be other narcotics present in their system at the time of death too. Government statistics!

by **2dimes** on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:42 am

mrswdk wrote:It's actually a thread about alcohol deaths. Alcohol is the number one most menacing drug and our governments actually profit off taxing the misery of millions. End alcohol now.

Ok, I agree the over use of alcohol is obviously deadly. Which is interesting and a bit strange, since there are many health benifits from moderate use.

by **mrswdk** on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Like all things I guess. A bit of water is great, too much and you drown. A few American aircraft are great, too many and all the world's children die in airline disasters. ad nauseum

by **Bernie Sanders** on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 pm

mrswdk wrote:Like all things I guess. A bit of water is great, too much and you drown. A few American aircraft are great, too many and all the world's children die in airline disasters. ad nauseum

Put the bottle down mrs and step away from the pipe.