CONQUEROR

[Dukasaur]

There's only been two Conquerors worthy of respect -- Blitzaholic and MC05325 -- who played a wide variety of games styles and settings and maps and weren't afraid to join a public game. All the others have been glorified farmers of one kind or another.

(That's just in my 10 years on CC. I understand that in the early days it was different.)

[iAmCaffeine]

the first who got banned for abusing other's accounts and the second plays about 11 different maps on a regular basis

not sure on what criteria you qualify those and not some other conquerors

[Dukasaur]

11 maps is a lot more than the 5 that most Conquerors play. Or 2, which is what some of them play. Plus variety of settings.

As far as Blitz, yes I know he got caught cheating. But he got to Conqueror without cheating. The cheating started later. He was already Conqueror, but he wanted more. He wanted to break the all-time scoring record, and it couldn't be done, and that's when the cheating started. Pride goeth before the fall.

I don't believe the one negates the other. Just like in real life, I believe that if you commit a crime and you've been punished, that should be the end of it. I don't believe that doing something wrong negates all that you've done right, neither in real life nor in the game.

[iAmCaffeine]

So the likes of josko, sjnap.. why aren't they more valid? Even king herpes is one of the best all around players to grace this site.

Can you list all the conquerors who only play 5 maps?

[betiko]

So the likes of josko, sjnap.. why aren't they more valid? Even king herpes is one of the best all around players to grace this site.

Can you list all the conquerors who only play 5 maps?

I could put these 2 and the 2 duke named as legit conquerors. I'm sure there's like a couple more that are legit conquerors.... we all agree on what a legit conqueror is and what is not without mentionning all requirements. Sure, everybody made some half legit stuff at some point, like blitz... it doesn't mean blitz deserves to be thrown under the bus completely. He really dominated the site at some point like no one has done in the following decade.

The point system is way too hard at some point and the only way to stay at the top is to find loopholes and take the minimal risk. At that point... it's not about skill anymore it s about being as reasonable as possible... for something that is supposed to be fun. Nobody sees naruto as a legit conqueror, but that s how he gets his fun... whatever. We all agreed years ago that the conqueror title doesn t hold the same meaning as before.

And yes... winning champioships seems like a more legit way of mesuring raw talent. Even though it depends on participation...

[iAmCaffeine]

blitz is overrated

[Dukasaur]

So the likes of josko, sjnap.. why aren't they more valid? Even king herpes is one of the best all around players to grace this site.

Can you list all the conquerors who only play 5 maps?

Okay, yes, josko is definitely one of the best all-around players there is. I'd forgotten that he's a former conqueror.


As far as some of the specialists... there's the current joke, who only plays Das Schloss, there was universalcreepo, who only played Conquer Rome, there was the freakout guy who only played Antarctica, there was another one whose name I forget who only played USA 2.1, there was the one that was permabanned, who played many maps but only against sergeants or lower, there was a guy when I first joined CC who only played Oasis. So there's six right there who were all basically just farmers, although I don't really remember any of their names and there's no longer a list.

King Herpes was by all accounts an amazing player, but he was before my time. Like I said in the previous post, I know that thing used to be better; I'm only talking about Conqs since I joined.

[iAmCaffeine]

i couldnt tell you who was conqueror before/after you joined for the most part.

i'd forgotten universal existed. always liked him then he went off the deep end. i feel like the ones in more recent years i've largely forgotten about.

you can slate naruto's map choices but i don't think that's where he fails. he plays more maps than plenty other high ranking players. his issue is extreme paranoia and foeing everyone who beats him.

if you want to talk about best ever players. i think josko and kh are the top two for me.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, no doubt about josko. KH I haven't played enough to have an opinion, but what I've heard is that he is one of the greats.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

There's only been two Conquerors worthy of respect -- Blitzaholic and MC05325 -- who played a wide variety of games styles and settings and maps and weren't afraid to join a public game. All the others have been glorified farmers of one kind or another.

(That's just in my 10 years on CC. I understand that in the early days it was different.)

Blitz played mainly team games

[Silly Knig-it]

Someone who also belongs on the legit list is JOHNNYROCKET24. He has the broad play and the credentials to prove it.

I just recently played him and enjoyed it. Probably won't play him again as I immediately made his foe list. And I doubt either one of us will change our mind about the fog rule so I imagine I will stay there.

Still congrats where congrats are due.

[iAmCaffeine]

you are fucking kidding me hahahaha dude's a snake always has been. king of farmers and that's about it.

[Caymanmew]

Didn't King_Herpes get and keep conqueror by spamming 1v1 speed freestyle games on City Mogul? His high score was crazy and no doubt he is a good player but he was more a map/setting specialist than our current conqueror, at least when he was playing for the rank.

[iAmCaffeine]

KH played speed freestyle, dont think it was 1 map exclusive. ive played with him plenty and he is far from a map/setting specialist. he was also a beast in team games, multiplayer, whatever.. he was an all around player and im clearly simping him.

[BabySasuke]

interesting

[Caymanmew]

KH played speed freestyle, dont think it was 1 map exclusive. ive played with him plenty and he is far from a map/setting specialist. he was also a beast in team games, multiplayer, whatever.. he was an all around player and im clearly simping him.

I honestly don't know much about him but he appears to have played hundreds of 1v1 speed freestyle on City Mogul during 2009

Looking at game finder I see starting November 2008 through November 2009 he played 761 of those games. After that, he seems to slow down and then stop playing them altogether. In total, he has 794 1v1 speed(5min) freestyle on City Mogul.

His map rank stats on those settings is 97% win rate and +2871 points.

Maybe he was playing other games at the same time, hard to tell as game finder doesn't allow search by date before 2015.

That not to say he is/was a map specialist during most of his time on the site, but rather during his time as conqueror he was a map specialist.

[Caymanmew]

KH played speed freestyle, dont think it was 1 map exclusive. ive played with him plenty and he is far from a map/setting specialist. he was also a beast in team games, multiplayer, whatever.. he was an all around player and im clearly simping him.

I honestly don't know much about him but he appears to have played hundreds of 1v1 speed freestyle on City Mogul during 2009

Looking at game finder I see starting November 2008 through November 2009 he played 761 of those games. After that, he seems to slow down and then stop playing them altogether. In total, he has 794 1v1 speed(5min) freestyle on City Mogul.

His map rank stats on those settings is 97% win rate and +2871 points.

Maybe he was playing other games at the same time, hard to tell as game finder doesn't allow search by date before 2015.

That not to say he is/was a map specialist during most of his time on the site, but rather during his time as conqueror he was a map specialist.

Looking into him more...

Check out his 8 player terminator history on Waterloo... that is straight new recruit farming.

83% winrate and +4154 points on maprank (275 games)

[iAmCaffeine]

it's not him being a map specialist though, it's just him taking advantage of the fact that he can win 97% of his games on that map and be +3000 from doing it. that doesn't mean he sucks at other maps, which is what being a specialist suggests. there's a difference.

[Caymanmew]

I'd argue our current conqueror could excel at other maps and settings if he wanted to, but he would rather keep his rank so he doesn't change what he is doing.

Most "map specialists" are that by choice(or it lets them maximize their points) not because they have to be.

[iAmCaffeine]

Potentially, but they don't. That's the point. And I doubt they still can't play everything that's thrown in front of them to a very high ability. That's what players like josko, herpes and others can do.

[BabySasuke]

it's not him being a map specialist though, it's just him taking advantage of the fact that he can win 97% of his games on that map and be +3000 from doing it. that doesn't mean he sucks at other maps, which is what being a specialist suggests. there's a difference.

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[Dukasaur]

What you guys are saying is trivially true, but essentially meaningless.

Of course if someone can master Conquer Rome or USA 2.1, they can also master Luxembourg.

Map specialists always specialize in a difficult map so they can farm points from people who don't get it. I'm sure that 100% of the time it's true that they could play easier maps if they chose to, but they don't. They don't want to expose their points on a map where the average person has a chance to beat them.

[iAmCaffeine]

if someone masters conquer rome then have they also mastered spanish armada? no. what a stupid post.

[Dukasaur]

if someone masters conquer rome then have they also mastered spanish armada? no. what a stupid post.

What part of "easier maps" defies comprehension?

[iAmCaffeine]

nothing, but why even make that comment in the first place? "if someone can play hard maps that means they can easy maps" like ok, great? nobody said otherwise. just a dumb comment.