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Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:57 am

Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.
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Re: 'corny'

Postby The ram on Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:12 am

jonesthecurl wrote:Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.



Corny and cliche are completely different meanings. I'd imagine that cheesey is a word yanks use for corny.
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Postby DirtyDishSoap on Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:52 am

The ram wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.



Corny and cliche are completely different meanings. I'd imagine that cheesey is a word yanks use for corny.

Pretty much.
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Postby Dukasaur on Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:45 am

jonesthecurl wrote:Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.


Very different terms to me. Can you put it in context? What are you trying to say?
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Re: 'corny'

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:27 am

Dukasaur wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.


Very different terms to me. Can you put it in context? What are you trying to say?

Cheesy/corny: "Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?"

Cliche: Horror movies with only jump scares.
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Re: 'corny'

Postby jimboston on Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:05 pm

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The ram wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Would most US people know what this word means? I could use "'cliche" instead, but for me that's not quite the same.



Corny and cliche are completely different meanings. I'd imagine that cheesey is a word yanks use for corny.

Pretty much.


Agreed… cheesy and corny are essentially same.

Cliché has a completely different meaning.

A joke can be BOTH cliché and corny… but this is not necessarily true.
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Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:09 pm

OK - thanks guys. The context: someone is saying in my current project that 'and it was all a dream' is over-used. Currently they're saying it's 'corny'. But it looks like I should say it's a cliche instead.
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Postby jimboston on Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:51 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:OK - thanks guys. The context: someone is saying in my current project that 'and it was all a dream' is over-used. Currently they're saying it's 'corny'. But it looks like I should say it's a cliche instead.


That’s a trope… which is synonymous (more or less) with cliché.

That said, it could be both cliché and corny… but more likely that ‘someone’ doesn’t understand nuance and is imprecise with his/her use of language.
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Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:31 am

jonesthecurl wrote:OK - thanks guys. The context: someone is saying in my current project that 'and it was all a dream' is over-used. Currently they're saying it's 'corny'. But it looks like I should say it's a cliche instead.


Agree, in this context cliche makes more sense. Tired, trite and banal might be other options. Derivative might be a another option given the context
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Re: 'corny'

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:34 am

ooh, I think I'm going for 'tired old cliche'.
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Re: 'corny'

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:31 am

NOTE that cliche' is a noun while corny and cheesy are informal adjectives.

noun
1.
a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought.
"the old cliché “one man's meat is another man's poison.”"


What are the differences between "corny", "tacky" and "cheesy"?

All three words carry the notion of taste, style or preferences.

The differences were drummed into us in my schooldays over 40 years ago:—

Corny is pretending (or have pretensions) of originality or significance, but is dull and/or tiresome in overall complexion.
Tacky is tastelessly showy — in other words, brassy, flashy, garish, trashy.
Cheesy is flimsy and of poor quality — in short, chintzy, sleazy or tinny.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-corny-tacky-and-cheesy

By its very nature, a cliché is corny; it is also likely to be tacky and cheesy.

I think Mookie offers good synonyms.
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Re: 'corny'

Postby jimboston on Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:10 am

jusplay4fun wrote:NOTE that cliche' is a noun while corny and cheesy are informal adjectives.


Google calls it a noun, but dictionary.com says it can be both a noun and adjective.

In common use I’d say it’s just as often used as an adjective.
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Re: 'corny'

Postby bigtoughralf on Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:45 am

Isn't corny an American phrase? Corny, corndogs etc
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Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:08 pm

Maize (/meɪz/ MAYZ; Zea mays subsp. ... mays, from Spanish: maíz after Taino: mahiz), also known as corn (North American and Australian English), is a cereal grain first domesticated by indigenous peoples in southern Mexico about 10,000 years ago.

phrase:
a small group of words standing together as a conceptual unit, typically forming a component of a clause.
"“to improve standards” is the key phrase here"

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Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:13 pm

It's not particularly relevant, but historically the word 'corn' referred to other grains as well as maize, as in the 'corn laws' of the 19th century.
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Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:27 pm

The Corn Laws aka the Irish Genocide Act.
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Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:26 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:The Corn Laws aka the Irish Genocide Act.


So this is where your country caused my ancestors to suffer and die? THANKS, ralf. Another reason for me to like you.... :evil:

The Corn Laws were tariffs and other trade restrictions on imported food and corn enforced in the United Kingdom between 1815 and 1846. The word corn in British English denotes all cereal grains, including wheat, oats and barley. They were designed to keep corn prices high to favour domestic producers, and represented British mercantilism.[a] The Corn Laws blocked the import of cheap corn, initially by simply forbidding importation below a set price, and later by imposing steep import duties, making it too expensive to import it from abroad, even when food supplies were short.

The Corn Laws enhanced the profits and political power associated with land ownership. The laws raised food prices and the costs of living for the British public, and hampered the growth of other British economic sectors, such as manufacturing, by reducing the disposable income of the British public.[2]

The laws became the focus of opposition from urban groups who had far less political power than rural areas. The first two years of the Great Famine in Ireland of 1845–1852 forced a resolution because of the urgent need for new food supplies. The Prime Minister, Sir Robert Peel, a Conservative, achieved repeal with the support of the Whigs in Parliament, overcoming the opposition of most of his own party.

Economic historians see the repeal of the Corn Laws as a decisive shift toward free trade in Britain.[3][4] The repeal of the Corn Laws benefitted the bottom 90% of income earners in the United Kingdom economically, while causing income losses for the top 10% of income earners.[5]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws

By "urgent need for new food supplies" I assume that means that Irish people were starving to death.

The Great Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór [ənˠ ˈɡɔɾˠt̪ˠə ˈmˠoːɾˠ]), also known as the Great Hunger, the Famine (mostly within Ireland) or the Irish Potato Famine (mostly outside Ireland),[1][2] was a period of mass starvation and disease in Ireland from 1845 to 1852.[3] With the most severely affected areas in the west and south of Ireland, where the Irish language was dominant, the period was contemporaneously known in Irish as an Drochshaol,[4] loosely translated as "the hard times" (or literally "the bad life"). The worst year of the period was 1847, known as "Black '47".[5][6] During the Great Hunger, about 1 million people died and more than a million fled the country,[7] causing the country's population to fall by 20–25%, in some towns falling as much as 67% between 1841 and 1851.[8][9][10] Between 1845 and 1855, no fewer than 2.1 million people left Ireland, primarily on packet ships but also steamboats and barks—one of the greatest mass exoduses from a single island in history.[11][12]

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Re: 'corny'

Postby bigtoughralf on Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:44 am

Which one's my country? I thought you said I was Palestinian?
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Postby Serbia on Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:56 pm

I refer to my dog as a corn dog all the time.
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Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:35 am

I came across the word hosgow today and I think Jones is the one who introduced it to me.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dgdyz/ ... -us-canada

To escape his time in the hosgow, Johnston attempted to go on the lam.
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Postby Dukasaur on Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:02 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I came across the word hosgow today and I think Jones is the one who introduced it to me.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dgdyz/ ... -us-canada

To escape his time in the hosgow, Johnston attempted to go on the lam.


This is a hilarious story.

A notorious racist was set to begin an 18-month jail sentence, but he instead tried to flee Canada, on foot, with few supplies, in the winter. U.S. authorities had to rescue him before they arrested him.

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LaJune, clearly exasperated throughout her video, criticized Johnston— who has portrayed himself as a true Canadian man’s man up against an emasculated world—for his lack of outdoor skills.

"I do know one thing to say: Never go on some kind of a hike or whatever without a compass,” she said. ”One of the issues that we had is he didn't know how to share his location. And he also took the wrong bag, I guess. He didn't have a flashlight, he didn't have a thermal blanket. I mean, these are things that you should have if you're going to be going on a long trip.

“We're talking about a life-and-death situation here. Especially in the winter. It's just dangerous.”

The compass that Johnston apparently used to aid his trek was a phone app, in an area with limited cell service. The team Johnston put together to help him hop the border seemed just as savvy with the outdoors as he was: One even suggested he use the stars to navigate his way during a night that was, as LaJune said, “totally cloud-covered.”

Eventually, he was able to send her a picture of his location, she says, and she sent that to the border patrol, who found, rescued, and promptly arrested him.
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