triples

by **AAFitz** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:54 am

Aradhus wrote:I can't say I really read any of the other posts, just the initial one.

I don't see how it is anybody else's business what type of games a person plays. If some people predominantly play triples, then that is up to them.

Though I would say they are losing out, as all the game types and the different combinations and maps, the diversity, make CC as good as it is. I could never play the same map over and over, or the same game type, it would become dreadfully dull.

Anyway, trips games force newbies away from the site? I agree with this, somewhat. When you click on join a game the first page is always always triples. Newbies, in the most part, aren't concerned with the specifics, they just want to get playing as quickly as possible. They join the first games they see, which are triples, and they get trounced horribly. They don't come back.

That isnt 100% true anymore, they have to play 5 standard games before playing in team games...and the odds of them joining 4 triples after playing 5 standard, and getting discouraged, is pretty slim...they may very well not play trips again, but if they leave the site its because they didnt enjoy the game in general...the trips, or whose in them has no bearing whatsoever

and this next part isnt referring to anything you said, just the initial poster...His main point is that people are leaving because they cant play the higher ranked players, and have to play only the lower ranked ones....but is complaining that the higher ranked ones dont play the lower ranked ones....In other words...its not fun enough for lower ranks to play lower ranks, but higher ranks should have to??? It is just faulty logic

If people like the game they will play....if they dont they will leave...the ones who cant have fun playing some sergeants for a while first are probably better off somewhere else anyways. Im having plenty of fun in open low ranked games as we speak...I do miss the colonels games, but im not about to leave because I suck* too bad to play in them...lol
for now*

by **clapper011** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:52 am

AAFitz wrote:
Aradhus wrote:I can't say I really read any of the other posts, just the initial one.

I don't see how it is anybody else's business what type of games a person plays. If some people predominantly play triples, then that is up to them.

Though I would say they are losing out, as all the game types and the different combinations and maps, the diversity, make CC as good as it is. I could never play the same map over and over, or the same game type, it would become dreadfully dull.

Anyway, trips games force newbies away from the site? I agree with this, somewhat. When you click on join a game the first page is always always triples. Newbies, in the most part, aren't concerned with the specifics, they just want to get playing as quickly as possible. They join the first games they see, which are triples, and they get trounced horribly. They don't come back.

That isnt 100% true anymore, they have to play 5 standard games before playing in team games...and the odds of them joining 4 triples after playing 5 standard, and getting discouraged, is pretty slim...they may very well not play trips again, but if they leave the site its because they didnt enjoy the game in general...the trips, or whose in them has no bearing whatsoever

and this next part isnt referring to anything you said, just the initial poster...His main point is that people are leaving because they cant play the higher ranked players, and have to play only the lower ranked ones....but is complaining that the higher ranked ones dont play the lower ranked ones....In other words...its not fun enough for lower ranks to play lower ranks, but higher ranks should have to??? It is just faulty logic

If people like the game they will play....if they dont they will leave...the ones who cant have fun playing some sergeants for a while first are probably better off somewhere else anyways. Im having plenty of fun in open low ranked games as we speak...I do miss the colonels games, but im not about to leave because I suck* too bad to play in them...lol
for now*

hey AA am I not kicking your butt in one?

hehe

by **RiskTycoon** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:53 am

It just seems to me that most of this is felt not thought....if that makes any sense to anyone....lol They are feeling not thinking and where are the facts? not just opinions....hmmmm....lol too funny......

by **clapper011** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:55 am

RiskTycoon wrote:It just seems to me that most of this is felt not thought....if that makes any sense to anyone....lol They are feeling not thinking and where are the facts? not just opinions....hmmmm....lol too funny......

I think the trouble lies in Thaisleeze getting his or her butt kicked by a few higher ranked palyers..nuff said!

by **RiskTycoon** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:50 am

clapper011 wrote: I think the trouble lies in Thaisleeze getting his or her butt kicked by a few higher ranked palyers..nuff said!

I think you may be right :lol:

by **SkyT** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:32 am

ROFL NICE im on the news now

*clap clap clap* :oops:

by **Symmetry** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:41 am

This all seems like it's pretty clear. The problem with is that this argument is entirely by established members of the community, arguing against the suggested arguments of people who aren't in the community.
To give you an example:
Big Yuma Ripper wrote a great reply, but it's pretty much gibberish if you are new to the game.

Now for you noobs that say all top ranked players play only triples to stack points......the higest one game points i have gained in the last couple of days was 17, average is around 7. I have lost 61 points in a couple of games in the last day figure that - 121 points........ noob that means i have to win 21 games out of 23 to come out even!

This means absolutely zero if you're approaching the game and want to have some fun. Has any "noob" ever said "you play triples only to stack points"? Ever? Imagine starting a poker game and having a new player say "Well, i don't know this game, but let's play round the corner straights, twos and one eyed jacks are wild", then proceeds to cut the deck one handed.

This game is addictive, and one of its greatest assets is the community of players who support each other. It's worth remembering that before you throw the word "Noob" and a bunch of meaningless stats that are clearly meant for higher level players.

Sorry Big Yuma, I picked you out because yours was the heaviest post, not because I think you're wrong. Making the game accessible requires senior members to be more forgiving of new members, for certain. It's not an aristocracy, in spite of the titles. However, clearly the people who have been here for a long time deserve to enjoy their games.

Also, calling someone a noob might be the arsiest thing I've heard since I was at school.

by **Big Yuma Ripper** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:13 pm

Symmetry wrote:This all seems like it's pretty clear. The problem with is that this argument is entirely by established members of the community, arguing against the suggested arguments of people who aren't in the community.
To give you an example:
Big Yuma Ripper wrote a great reply, but it's pretty much gibberish if you are new to the game.

Now for you noobs that say all top ranked players play only triples to stack points......the higest one game points i have gained in the last couple of days was 17, average is around 7. I have lost 61 points in a couple of games in the last day figure that - 121 points........ noob that means i have to win 21 games out of 23 to come out even!

This means absolutely zero if you're approaching the game and want to have some fun. Has any "noob" ever said "you play triples only to stack points"? Ever? Imagine starting a poker game and having a new player say "Well, i don't know this game, but let's play round the corner straights, twos and one eyed jacks are wild", then proceeds to cut the deck one handed.

This game is addictive, and one of its greatest assets is the community of players who support each other. It's worth remembering that before you throw the word "Noob" and a bunch of meaningless stats that are clearly meant for higher level players.

Sorry Big Yuma, I picked you out because yours was the heaviest post, not because I think you're wrong. Making the game accessible requires senior members to be more forgiving of new members, for certain. It's not an aristocracy, in spite of the titles. However, clearly the people who have been here for a long time deserve to enjoy their games.

Also, calling someone a noob might be the arsiest thing I've heard since I was at school.

Hey Symmetry if you took it personal which it sounds like sorry? Everybody has been a noob lol from the guy or gal sighning up today to the first person on this site! I am sorry you dont understand my gibberish as you call it..... pm me for an explaination and i will try to clear it up for you. Since you have very limited experance here (27) games you probly cant comprehand any of this? The person that started all this nonsense has played enough to understand the process.

None of this has to mean anything to a new player, new players should play single games not get in over there head in a triples or doubles game. I figure that is one of the reasons that Lack stopped that from happining? You now have to play a certain amout of games before you can even join team games.
The reason "noobs" was thrown out before those stats as you call them was because they were the ones that were complaining about it? other wise i wouldnt have directed it to them!

Thanks for you reply here, I can see where you are coming from also. Also noobs lol is not a slur or a bad thing, I am not into name calling. I once was a barefoot noob just like you and everybody else?

by **alster** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:24 pm

These kinds of discussions surface now and then. And honestly, I never get the point of complaining about various settings (whether team games, freestyle etc. etc.). Simply put, if you don't like a setting, don't play it. All the choices of settings and maps is what makes this site great. There's something there for everyone.

And, each setting takes a fifferent kind of skill. No sense in measuring cock by stating that one setting or the other takes more skill. The settings are just different. Like fruits. You have the banana (standard, sequential flat rate cards), the pears (doubles, sequential, escalating cards) and even some strawberries (1 v. 1, freestyle, no cards). Just pick your favourite fruits out of the basket, and enjoy.

Now, of course a well-coordinated team will nine out of ten times beat the crap out of a team made up off players with very little experience (may I even say "noobs"). But. That's life. Set up a standard, six-player game and the experienced players will nine out of ten times beat new players into the ground.

But that's all part of the learning-curve. All new players tend to drop down to 7-800 points before starting to make their way up on the scoreboard. We all have to go through these learning-curves. Then, whenever you have a new map or a new setting out there, all players (no matter experience) will have to go through a learning process again.

Point is this: If you enjoy the kind of experience CC provides, you'll take your losses like a man (or a woman), learn from it and move forward. No need sheltering people. Just like life. Life isn't fair. It keeps pounding you down, you just need to bounche back up like Rocky Balboa.

by **Big Yuma Ripper** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:10 pm

Very well said alstergren!

by **MOBAJOBG** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:31 pm

Well, it's really difficult to break into Page 1 of the Scoreboard or Top 250. Perhaps, Thaisleeze can try to squeeze into Page 2 (Top 500) which is also a commendable achievement irrespective of game settings.

Enjoy and Have Fun ....that's the actual point of playing! while climbing up the Scoreboard is a bonus.

by **AAFitz** on Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:53 pm

MOBAJOBG wrote:Well, it's really difficult to break into Page 1 of the Scoreboard or Top 250. Perhaps, Thaisleeze can try to squeeze into Page 2 (Top 500) which is also a commendable achievement irrespective of game settings.

Enjoy and Have Fun ....that's the actual point of playing! while climbing up the Scoreboard is a bonus.

Id settle for a miserable time if i could get my points back right now

by **alex_white101** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:58 am

setting up triples teams to feed on noobs does happen and u most certainly do rise up the scoreboard (albeit slowly) if u stick too these games. in fact i made it onto JR's ignore list because i played AGAINST him in too many games so did my partners (we setup a team and joined 4 of their trips and won 3) and incredibly we all made his ignore list!!! as soon as hes up against some1 who beats him he blocks them to make sure they cannot keep setting up teams to take him on. i mean what other reason is there for blocking people who ''play in too many games against him''? thats the lamest excuse for adding some1 to ur ignore list that i have ever heard. he just cant handle the fact that i can beat him as often as he beats me in triples. so i get blocked, in order to make sure the people who join his games are NOT organised and make for easy points. that is the name of his game.

i think setting up 100's of triples in public games to cream off points from noobs does not ruin the site but definately has a negative effect on it.

by **clapper011** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:45 am

actually one of the main reson JR did that was because he was wanting to beat my score for most games played...and however some of these players get their points its still all fair game in love and war

by **AAFitz** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:18 am

alex_white101 wrote:setting up triples teams to feed on noobs does happen and u most certainly do rise up the scoreboard (albeit slowly) if u stick too these games. in fact i made it onto JR's ignore list because i played AGAINST him in too many games so did my partners (we setup a team and joined 4 of their trips and won 3) and incredibly we all made his ignore list!!! as soon as hes up against some1 who beats him he blocks them to make sure they cannot keep setting up teams to take him on. i mean what other reason is there for blocking people who ''play in too many games against him''? thats the lamest excuse for adding some1 to ur ignore list that i have ever heard. he just cant handle the fact that i can beat him as often as he beats me in triples. so i get blocked, in order to make sure the people who join his games are NOT organised and make for easy points. that is the name of his game.

i think setting up 100's of triples in public games to cream off points from noobs does not ruin the site but definately has a negative effect on it.

its not too many games against him....its too many games against him at once....its a temporary stop gap to keep from getting nailed by an incredible lucky streak by one team, which happens a lot...I dont do it myself, but I hate when one team joins all ten of the games I set up...I dont care that the team is good, I would just play a bunch of different teams at one time

and the noobs have to see how the game is played at some point...and its not like they have no shot...every one of the best teams has been killed by a team of noobs...sometimes they are just unwinnable...and youre assuming the hundred games are to kill noobs....I mostly see experienced players against experienced players in trips now

If i had two friends that just started in here, id join every trips game against every high ranked team in here....id only have to win 1 out of 6 to win points, and if I won more, id hit pay dirt

the worst thing that could possibly happen is a noob joins a triples game...gets killed, and learns not to play them until he is better or has a coordinated team...its not like hes going to join 100 of them in a row, and just keep losing....in fact, their best shot to kill high ranks probably is in triples realistically....they only have to be a little lucky and a little good, to win 50 or 60 points...they will have to lose a few to see how they are played at first, but after that, it could work out great...

all I know is I still remember being a noob...i joined a few trips games, and a few doubles games with unknown partners...i won some, I lost some...then I focused on singles....I didnt quit because i got beat in a game I just started playing...I was assuming that was going to happen when I joined....then I focused on singles, and had some fun

the triples games arent hurting the game in any way...any player that leaves because of them, was going to leave anyways...

by **Symmetry** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:16 am

Thanks for the reply Big Yuma. Sorry- I was a bit arsey in my post.
I have a lot of mates who I'd like to get into this game, and have signed up and clicked to join a game, only to find themselves way out of their depth against a team of experienced players. It's not predatory on the part of experienced players, because they want to play with people on their level, but I see so many games open where three high ranked players have started a game, and some guy new to the game has added their name to the list as the first player on the opposing team.

New players want to learn the game. Rank and point understanding is part of the higher level gaming specific to this site.

I didn't mean to say that what you wrote was gibberish, but rather that for people new to the game, it won't mean much. What you said was accurate, but many new players are just getting accustomed to the way that things like the cards work. Stuff that can be taken for granted by more experoenced players.

I've never really liked the whole "noob" thing, and I was out late with the lads that night, so I sounded off.

Some sort of tutorial would work best, I'd say. Even a series of pages showing step by step how to attack and defend, how to use cards, and how the different games work. At the moment, judging by the topics on here and in the Q and A, a lot of people who are net savvy enough to post in a forum are having trouble with these things. "Why did I lose an Assassin game?" in particular comes up a lot. So clearly a greater number of people are having these problems and not complaining in the forums. They're signing up out of interest, and leaving, confused, deadbeating their games.

by **JOHNNYROCKET24** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:20 am

alex_white101 wrote:setting up triples teams to feed on noobs does happen and u most certainly do rise up the scoreboard (albeit slowly) if u stick too these games. in fact i made it onto JR's ignore list because i played AGAINST him in too many games so did my partners (we setup a team and joined 4 of their trips and won 3) and incredibly we all made his ignore list!!! as soon as hes up against some1 who beats him he blocks them to make sure they cannot keep setting up teams to take him on. i mean what other reason is there for blocking people who ''play in too many games against him''? thats the lamest excuse for adding some1 to ur ignore list that i have ever heard. he just cant handle the fact that i can beat him as often as he beats me in triples. so i get blocked, in order to make sure the people who join his games are NOT organised and make for easy points. that is the name of his game.

i think setting up 100's of triples in public games to cream off points from noobs does not ruin the site but definately has a negative effect on it.

you made my ignore list the first time for attacking your own team members. you cried like a little bitch and I removed it. So whats your first course of action? You proceed to join all my games. I caught it after you joined 4 or 5 so I added you to my ignore list to prevent you from joining all 50 games I had started. I do the very same thing for all players, except a selected few that have proven themselves, to prevent games from being ruined by missed turns/internet loss and whatever reason that would effect every game you are in. It has nothing to do with the rank of the players joining. I dealt with that in the past and learned from my mistakes. A good example was Medal of Honor. He was a good player than started deadbeating and Multi and it effected all the games we were in together. Now, not only are you still on my ignore list, you are banned from ever having a 3rd chance for your little pussy flaming about me non stop on the forum. Not once did you ever post the true facts and only wanted everyone to read what you wanted them to see. This was all explained to you via PM but since your a little bitch, you brought it to the forums to cry like a little pussy again.

since you and mommy are moving, My final words to you are f*ck OFF

by **Big Yuma Ripper** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:42 am

"Some sort of tutorial would work best, I'd say. Even a series of pages showing step by step how to attack and defend, how to use cards, and how the different games work."

Symmetry maybe that would help NEW : ) players out at the start. But what better lesson is reading or experance? Take 3 cooks VS 3 Majors. 10 games, cooks win 1 Majors win 9........ even points no body loses any thing. If the cooks lose all 10 they lose 60 only points.... that would be one of the cheapest lessons you could get. lol Where else in the world can you get 10 semisters of classes for 60 points? :lol:

Thats like betting 10 - 1 odds , dont have to win every one :wink:

by **RiskTycoon** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:06 am

nah, they will just skip over it like they do here. funny how ALL the information was here when I joined, you just needed to read it.....oh wait, that's it.......reading! how many times do you read the instructions before you begin? lol I'm going to have to say I am guilty of that......I read them all the time, but do others? Isn't that one of those stereotypes about men?we don't ask for directions and we certainly don't read the instructions? right? ...lol ok i'm rambling now....

by **Symmetry** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:15 am

Good point, and that's the way that many people learn. I'm in Japan teaching school kids English, and the best way to learn is for them to get over their fears and speak with whatever English they know. Still, that's not the way that many of my students are comfortable learning with. Some kids feel that making a mistake is the end of the world, and won't speak out unless they are sure of what they know.

Some people learn best through experience, others need a gentler intro.

RiskTycoon is right, a lot of people would skip a tutorial, or not tak the info in even if they did it. I reckon that it would reduce the deadbeating and the complaints about things like dice rolls if it was there. Especially if it covered some of the game types where you don't just play for yourself, but have to help team-mates or prevent others from getting an objective.

by **RiskTycoon** on Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:55 am

Someone great said "all growth involves risk!" I think people just need to stop complaining and just do what makes them happy, unless complaining makes you happy (don't do that, no one likes that) play your singles or your trips your dubs and be merry! " All growth involves RISK! " lol fits right in here at CC :lol: