Fascinating New Study on What Happens to Vaxed Over Time

[jimboston]

This might take longer than anyone expected

They could go months with no negative health impact to this Rep.

[jimboston]

Glad we’ve determined the former co-host of LoveLine is now the resident Covid expert.

Drew Pinsky was one of the nation's foremost medical toxicologists and chief resident at Huntington Memorial before he got his TV show; he has an MD from USC, one of the country's top medical schools.

Note how Jim immediately jumped in and started denouncing Dr. Drew. However, when Gary cited a guy who is a master's degree student at a second-tier college in Malaysia to try to debunk three different peer-reviewed articles I posted that raised concerns about the dangers of the vaccine, Jim was silent.

Is Dr. Drew a COVID expert? Definitely not. Is Dr. Drew more qualified to evaluate medical evidence than Malaysian diploma mill student Shin Jie Yong? Yes.

Why did Jim do that? It's called Selective Response and is a common method of psychological coping when faced with existential stress (i.e. when you have a time bomb inside you that can't be turned off).

I’m sorry.

Did I DENOUNCE Dr. Drew in any way?

Loveline was great listening.

I wasn’t intentionally being silent in regards to Gary’s post.
I just had nothing to add or comment on there.

Perhaps you’re a bit sensitive Saxi?

[jusplay4fun]

What happened to Damar Hamlin is NOT new and is NOT necessarily due to the COVID vaccine, as saxi wants you to think:

Pronger collapsed and suffered commotio cordis when a puck struck his chest during a 1998 Stanley Cup playoffs game when he was a member of the St. Louis Blues. Commotio cordis is when a person experiences a trauma to their chest that can cause additional waves of electricity to pass through their heart muscle. Those waves can throw off the heart's normal rhythm, which can potentially be deadly.

Pronger was unconscious for an estimated 20 seconds and ended up spending the night in the hospital. Once he woke up, he didn't have any recollection of what happened, but was back on the ice four days later.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-nhl-defenseman-chris-pronger-sends-well-wishes-to-bills-damar-hamlin/#:~:text=Pronger%20collapsed%20and%20suffered%20commotio,pass%20through%20their%20heart%20muscle.

and, for Good News:

Damar Hamlin's foundation surpases [sic] $7M in donations
In its first 2 years, the donation drive raised about $2,900. After the injury, more than 200,000 donations, averaging about $32, were made in less than 48 hours.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/sports/nfl/bills/damar-hamlin-foundation-approaching-7-million-dollars-donations/71-12a65808-621f-4db3-a1b6-1210510f3897

Americans are a very generous people. There are COUNTLESS other examples, that rarely get any attention.

[GaryDenton]

What happened to Damar Hamlin is NOT new and is NOT DUE to the COVID vaccine.
He is recovering.
Many stupid myths and lies get repeated by those who love their lying propaganda machines.

[GaryDenton]

Sigh, still citing the Israel study, ignoring the caveats in the report, and claiming I am the one with improper cites.

Here is something that directly addresses this.


Multiple studies showed that COVID-19 increases the risk of heart inflammation more than vaccines do; a study in Israel misleadingly used to claim otherwise

Inadequate support: The study only included myocarditis and pericarditis diagnoses made at least ten days after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test, when patients are recovering, but not cases during COVID-19 itself. The study also included only a limited subset of myocarditis and pericarditis diagnostic codes, leaving out in particular diagnostic codes specific for myocarditis associated with viral infection.

Cherry-picking: Multiple large-scale studies reported an increased risk of cardiovascular complications associated with COVID-19, including myocarditis and pericarditis, which are ignored by claims like this.

Overall, the study by Tuvali et al. doesn’t provide sufficient evidence for the claim that COVID-19 doesn’t increase the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis, owing to limitations associated with its design. It’s also insufficient to overturn the scientific studies reporting that COVID-19 does increase the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis, and that this risk exceeds that of the risk from COVID-19 vaccination.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-increases-risk-heart-inflammation-more-than-vaccines-study-israel-misleadingly-used/

[Maxleod]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... nal-tennis

Novak Djokovic handed warm welcome by fans on return in Adelaide

[Doc_Brown]

I came across this study on the Covid vaccine effectiveness last week:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 625v1.full
"This study found that the current bivalent vaccines were about 30% effective overall in protecting against infection with SARS-CoV-2, when the Omicron BA.4/BA.5 lineages were the predominant circulating strains."

However, this particular result is rather telling:

Click image to enlarge.

They discuss this result in the next to last paragraph of the discussions section and acknowledge that it is consistent with two other (cited) studies.

[GaryDenton]

Interesting and unexpected. I know of no other vaccine that shows that and scientists right now are at a loss, but its science, they will figure it out while those who reject the vaccines die at a higher rate and are too ignorant to contribute anything meaningful.

"In conclusion, this study found an overall modest protective effect of the bivalent vaccine booster against COVID-19, among working-aged adults. The effect of multiple COVID-19 vaccine doses on future risk of COVID-19 needs further study.

[jusplay4fun]

Lisa Marie Presley has died

What we know so far
Just in: Lisa Marie Presley, the only daughter of Elvis Presley, has died, her mother announced. She was 54.
Presley was rushed to the hospital on Thursday after suffering a cardiac arrest.
Presley was most recently seen on Tuesday night at the Golden Globe Awards, which she attended with her mother, Priscilla Presley, to support the Baz Luhrmann film "Elvis," about her late father.

[url]
https://www.cnn.com/entertainment/live- ... index.html[/url]

Let me take saxi's line:

Lisa Marie is DEAD, due to the COVID vaccine..!!!!!!!
and the Sky is Falling..!....too....

ok, saxi does not usually use HUGE font, but.....

[saxitoxin]

Let's start the week off with a Fabulous Foursome of bad news for all you vaccinated ...

NYC Health Officials Says Mutated Strains "More Likely to Infect People Who Have Been Vaccinated"



New York City health officials warn that the latest Omicron subvariant that is making up the majority of COVID-19 cases may be more likely to infect people who have been vaccinated than previous variants.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/coronavirus ... vaccinated



Former FDA Commissioner Offutt Says Bivalent Vaccines are a Failure - We Should Stop Administering Them to the Young



Why did the strategy for significantly increasing BA.4 and BA.5 neutralizing antibodies using a bivalent vaccine fail? The most likely explanation is imprinting. The immune systems of people immunized with the bivalent vaccine, all of whom had previously been vaccinated, were primed to respond to the ancestral strain of SARS-CoV-2. I believe we should stop trying to prevent all symptomatic infections in healthy, young people by boosting them with vaccines containing mRNA from strains that might disappear a few months later.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780



CDC Detects Critical Safety Signal in Bivalent Vaccines



Following the availability and use of the updated (bivalent) COVID-19 vaccines, CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... sters.html



Japan is 82% Vaccinated with mRNA Vaccines - Now Exploding with Record-High COVID-19 Deaths



Japan has logged record numbers of COVID-19 deaths in recent days, with experts saying the constantly mutating and highly transmissible omicron variant is infecting far more people than what government data shows.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/ ... ghth-wave/

[saxitoxin]

The world's most-cited medical journal has just published a new study by German scientists that shows the vaccines are 100% ineffective at preventing transmission of the XB variant which will be dominant within the next month.

Finally, we assessed the sensitivity of XBB.1pp to neutralisation by antibodies induced by vaccination or vaccination plus breakthrough infection (figure B; appendix pp 1–2). Plasma of triple vaccinated individuals had almost no detectable neutralising activity against XBB.1pp (neutralising titre 50 [NT50] 2).

We did not receive payment by a pharmaceutical company or other agency to write this Correspondence.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(22)00831-3/fulltext?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axioslocal_seattle&stream=top

They did not test for decreased risk of hospitalization due to vaccination, however, it's already known that the XB variant is extremely mild in all age groups and is unlikely to routinely result in hospitalization for anyone.

So, if you were vaccinated you survived the pandemic. Congrats! Now you'll just need to see how many years are shaved off your overall lifespan as five-year and ten-year data comes in from this never-before-used technology. Based on the worrying reports I've posted prior to this message, things don't look great. (I also survived the pandemic but it's 100% over for me and I can completely separate and move on. No holding my breath for the next ten years.)

[saxitoxin]

Note that all of the above is precisely what I said would happen 1.5 years ago while everyone was losing their shit over Delta and screaming things are gonna get EVEN WORSE and we need MORE JABS!!!

In August 2021 saxitoxin wrote: "The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta."

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235202&p=5219277&hilit=pathogenic#p5219277

It's almost like I know what I'm talking about.

It's almost like basing your decision to take-up smoking from a cigarette company's ads isn't a good idea.

[Dukasaur]

Note that all of the above is precisely what I said would happen 1.5 years ago while everyone was screaming things are gonna go south and we need MORE JABS!!!

In August 2021 saxitoxin wrote: "The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta."

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235202&p=5219277&hilit=pathogenic#p5219277

It's almost like I know what I'm talking about.

I recall that statement, and I don't recall anyone arguing against it.

Obviously successful pathogens tend to become more contagious and less pathogenic over time.

The point is not that your statement is wrong, but that it's completely disconnected from the rest of your thesis. It's like you're trying to prove that the sky is blue, and you've just introduced the fact that hedgehogs are mammals, and with a satisfying "harrrumph!" you write Q.E.D. and sit down.

Even if Covid had a 0% mortality rate, even if losing three days off work was the only possible consequence, still that's 3 days of my life I don't want to waste. None of it means anything without the main thread of your thesis that the vaccines are in some way harmful. And that remains completely unproven except by your endless barrage of anecdotal evidence about people who were vaccinated and now are dead. Lot of people who were never vaccinated are dead also. Without a causative link, it's all just Beavis and Butthead arguing about whether lawnmowers cause cancer.

[jusplay4fun]

Note that all of the above is precisely what I said would happen 1.5 years ago while everyone was screaming things are gonna go south and we need MORE JABS!!!

In August 2021 saxitoxin wrote: "The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta."

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235202&p=5219277&hilit=pathogenic#p5219277

It's almost like I know what I'm talking about.

I recall that statement, and I don't recall anyone arguing against it.

Obviously successful pathogens tend to become more contagious and less pathogenic over time.

The point is not that your statement is wrong, but that it's completely disconnected from the rest of your thesis. It's like you're trying to prove that the sky is blue, and you've just introduced the fact that hedgehogs are mammals, and with a satisfying "harrrumph!" you write Q.E.D. and sit down.

Even if Covid had a 0% mortality rate, even if losing three days off work was the only possible consequence, still that's 3 days of my life I don't want to waste. None of it means anything without the main thread of your thesis that the vaccines are in some way harmful. And that remains completely unproven except by your endless barrage of anecdotal evidence about people who were vaccinated and now are dead. Lot of people who were never vaccinated are dead also. Without a causative link, it's all just Beavis and Butthead arguing about whether lawnmowers cause cancer.

+1

And I recall saying the same thing, that the COVID Virus would get less virulent and more contagious.

And THAT a great analogy, Duk, about The Sky is Blue (and is NOT FALLING) and that hedgehogs are mammals. I like good logic that makes sense and is cogent.

by jusplay4fun on Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:55 am

Facts matter. The very issue that you misstate facts gives you less credibility, saxi.

But that is nothing new, that you bend and misstate the facts. You attempt to mislead people by such actions. You continue to try to PEDDLE Fake News. Many of us are not buying it and are calling you on your obfuscation.

Obviously death and hospitalizations are the important numbers and the major concern. How many break-through cases are causing hospitalizations? deaths? Report that and I may be concerned if those numbers are high.

I will predict that:
1) COVID will continue to mutate;
2) future mutations will be more contagious, or at least as contagious as omicron and delta;
3) future mutations will be less virulent and less likely to hospitalizations (less deadly than omicron and delta);

by jusplay4fun on Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:21 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
11) omicron is much milder and that is the one saxi wants to BRAG that he BEAT so easily. He beat the 3rd grade team of children who run by his basement, not the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs or ever the University of Alabama's team.


Even I don't know what variant I had, but jp4f does!


I base my conclusion on

1) how flippant saxi has been about how easily he BEAT his alleged round of COVID; and
2) omicron is less virulent and more transmissible.

ERGO, saxi had omicron, the weaker cousin of the virulent delta variant.

That was an obvious and easy conclusion to draw, saxi. I assume you understand basic logic.

Re: coronavirus - The Legacy
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:30 am

What is missing from saxi's discussion of the omicron variant is that it is less virulent (less deadly and less dangerous).

[saxitoxin]

even if losing three days off work was the only possible consequence, still that's 3 days of my life I don't want to waste

You're going to catch the XB variant of COVID anyway, as the Lancet study just showed. And the vaccine will do nothing to stop it or lessen its symptoms. You're still going to waste three days, the only difference is you now have the bonus that you possibly will be the audience for one of these ads in 10 years ...

None of it means anything without the main thread of your thesis that the vaccines are in some way harmful. And that remains completely unproven except by your endless barrage of anecdotal evidence

I don't think anecdotal means what you think it means ...

While not establishing causal relationships, the findings raise concerns regarding vaccine-induced undetected severe cardiovascular side-effects and underscore the already established causal relationship between vaccines and myocarditis, a frequent cause of unexpected cardiac arrest in young individuals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 512201982X





Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=4206070





The incidence of myocardial lesions was 800 times above the usual incidence of myocarditis in 18-24 year olds who had completed their vaccination series.

https://www.cardio-online.fr/Actualites ... i-COVID-19

[jusplay4fun]

His NEW title is wrong and itself another example of obfuscation.

The key fact here is the saxi continues to post obfuscation, especially as it relates to COVID Vaccines. Even if he posts studies and decent evidence:

1) saxi draws poor conclusions; and/or

2) the information, source, data, and/or whatever is cited by saxi does not support his basic anti-fax position with regards to the COVID virus.

saxi is not to be trusted when it comes to this topic. PERIOD.

[saxitoxin]

Dilbert creator Scott Adams, a JP4 style unhinged pro vax zombie, admits "the Anti Vaxxers are the winners."

"The unvaccinated have the advantage. They feel better. They don't have to worry about what I'm worrying about. Where will I be five years from now because I got vaccinated? You won. I did not end up in the right place. You should take victory. And I have to take defeat. You are the winners. You won."



GAME OVER.

[HitRed]

[mookiemcgee]

Dilbert creator Scott Adams, a JP4 style unhinged pro vax zombie, admits "the Anti Vaxxers are the winners."

"The unvaccinated have the advantage. They feel better. They don't have to worry about what I'm worrying about. Where will I be five years from now because I got vaccinated? You won. I did not end up in the right place. You should take victory. And I have to take defeat. You are the winners. You won."



GAME OVER.

Ummm... Adams is a staunch MAGA backer who supported Trump well before he declared his candidacy in 2014/15. He might have been vaccinated, but I wouldn't call him pro-vax.He's full blown saxi in all other beliefs.

Some of his recent podcast headlines include:

Is Biden Destroying The World Right In Front Of Everyone? CNN Boycott?

Trump Appears Unstoppable. Democrats Can’t Stop Aiming At Their Own Feet

Let’s Talk About The Fake News About Nuclear Weapons Secrets At Mar-a-Lago

The January 6 HOAX Has Now Been Totally Debunked. What Now?

[saxitoxin]

Dilbert creator Scott Adams, a JP4 style unhinged pro vax zombie, admits "the Anti Vaxxers are the winners."

"The unvaccinated have the advantage. They feel better. They don't have to worry about what I'm worrying about. Where will I be five years from now because I got vaccinated? You won. I did not end up in the right place. You should take victory. And I have to take defeat. You are the winners. You won."



GAME OVER.

Ummm... Adams is a staunch MAGA backer who supported Trump well before he declared his candidacy in 2014/15. He might have been vaccinated, but I wouldn't call him pro-vax.He's full blown saxi in all other beliefs.

Some of his recent podcast headlines include:

Is Biden Destroying The World Right In Front Of Everyone? CNN Boycott?

Trump Appears Unstoppable. Democrats Can’t Stop Aiming At Their Own Feet

Let’s Talk About The Fake News About Nuclear Weapons Secrets At Mar-a-Lago

The January 6 HOAX Has Now Been Totally Debunked. What Now?

Trump is also pro vaxx and said "smart people get vaccinated like me." Scott Adams has spent the last two years calling for vax mandates and talking about his many boosters.

[saxitoxin]

The first update to pilot cardiac health requirements in 42 years just dropped...

Federal agencies are withholding the data behind recent decisions that relate or may relate to COVID-19 vaccines and severe adverse events, fueling speculation that they are putting both vaccinated and unvaccinated lives at risk.

The Federal Aviation Administration told Just the News it widened the acceptable range of heart rhythms for commercial pilots, who were initially subject to industry-wide vaccine mandates, in light of "[n]ew scientific evidence" that it has yet to specify.

The Oct. 26 update to the heart arrhythmias section of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners made two key changes.

The agency raised the maximum so-called PR interval for first-degree atrioventricular block to 300 milliseconds, with no regard to age, on the list of "normal variants" that don't require deferment in the absence of "symptoms or AME concerns."

For intervals longer than 300 ms, the FAA will make the call based on evaluations by examiners. The previous maximum PR interval for AV block was 210 milliseconds, but only in pilots under age 51.

FAA spokesperson Ian Gregor provided a modified version of the statement the agency released last spring after American Airlines pilot Robert Snow blamed his in-flight cardiac arrest on coerced vaccination.

https://justthenews.com/government/fede ... ggregators

To be clear, I don't care if planes filled with vaxed start dropping out of the skies. Many of their days are probably numbered anyway. But I am concerned for my own kind; fellow Pure Bloods. Humans.

[saxitoxin]

Elon Musk is revealing he is unsure if he suffered irreversible injury after his last booster and is revealing his younger cousin was hospitalized with cardiac damage shortly after being injected with a Death Jab.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/161 ... 72610?s=19

In other news, earlier this afternoon Dr. Norman Fenton, emeritus professor of computational statistics at Queen Mary University of London, and director of the Risk and Information Management Research Group, discusses with Dr. John Campbell - a retired professor of clinical nursing at the University of Cumbria - that his research team has filed a formal complaint with the UK's Office for Statistics Regulation after they uncovered fundamental errors in the calculation of vaccination risk with the experimental m-RNA vaxes by the British Government. They're requesting all claims about the safety of the vaccines be immediately retracted due to extremely serious computational flaws.

Fenton is one of the most cited statisticians in history with more than 23,000 lifetime references to his research.



He's on a roll ... six hours later, Dr. Campbell has posted another new interview. This one is with Dr. Robert Clancy, an Australian physician who was invested into the Order of Australia for his development of Broncostat in the 1990s, a groundbreaking vaccine against bronchitis. Clancy says the COVID vaccine - due to its lack of efficiency - is probably putting immune pressure on the virus leading to new variants and the vaccinated are largely, themselves, responsible for causing the pandemic to endure.

[ConfederateSS]

-----------Why are you not on the biggest story Saxi???....Yes, as HitRed smiles, GOD always wins... .....
------------ So project Virotas(maybe not spelled correctly)....Got a top executive from Pfizer on film/recorded...Jordon Walker...Talking about , COVID has been a cash cow for Pfizer...The government regulators work for Pfizer, so do top military members, get vaxed, or you are out of the military ....
--------------- Pfizer is mutating the COVID virus...So they can sell more vaccines to the public... ,Money, Money,Money...Gain of research, they call it...Directed Evolution...
----------------- No LEFT Media is covering this, Google is hiding it...
----------------- When Walker finds out, he has been filmed, He starts saying, it was a lie, calls the police, saying he feels unsafe, tries to break the camera, tape and holds on tight to the cameraman's leg...Big Pharma ... Busted.........You have to get on this Saxi... Pfizer could release another Global Pandemic for more money... ...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jimboston]

Dilbert creator Scott Adams, a JP4 style unhinged pro vax zombie, admits "the Anti Vaxxers are the winners."

"The unvaccinated have the advantage. They feel better. They don't have to worry about what I'm worrying about. Where will I be five years from now because I got vaccinated? You won. I did not end up in the right place. You should take victory. And I have to take defeat. You are the winners. You won."



GAME OVER.

ITT Saxi demonstrates he doesn’t understand sarcasm.