Why the Constant Conservative Lies?

[GaryDenton]

Both their media and their politicians cannot seem to speak the truth now.

It can't all be the Trump influence, but he has inspired it to new heights of ceaseless never-ending constant lying.

There is some speculation conservative political advisors have now adopted the Russian firehose technique. Spew lies constantly and never retract or correct them and never leave your opponents time to catch up to them all.

They just censured, and probably insured him being the new senator from California, Representative Schiff and everything they mentioned was a lie. They really wanted to punish him for being a relentless constant thorn in Trump's side, but they accused him of lying about the Trump-Russian collusion.

And Republican media, if not the so-called liberal media, never calls them out on the lies.

Russia actively aided Trump, the Trump campaign asked for the aid and even coordinated some of it. The Mueller Report covered it. The Senate Intelligence Committee, run by Republicans, called the Russian collusion out. Eeven on the same day as the censure, Schiff got Durham to admit to it.

Instead, Republicans and their sycophants in the media distract and avoid the facts of the case - the Trump campaign welcomed and colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary.

So, conservatives, why all the lies? Are you that ignorant and uninformed? Is this just a tactic you approve of? Do you think it doesn't matter?

Do you need to have one of your masters admit it is all a lie?

And this "the charges of Russian collusion are a hoax" is just one of the lies Republicans constantly spew.

Do you only watch the distractions that conservative media constantly plays? Do you focus on some parts of the story that do get debunked so you miss the big but simple picture? The last has been the clearest explanation I got from some conservatives. They see parts of the story get debunked and ignore the obvious facts of collusion that aren't.

In politicians, avoiding the biggest liars is a lesson conservatives don't teach their children, I guess.

[bigtoughralf]

In politicians, avoiding the biggest liars is a lesson conservatives don't teach their children, I guess.

Where politicians from the blue half of the US government - such as
Biden, Clinton and Obama - are famously honest and transparent.

[GaryDenton]

Well, Schiff couldn't be happier. Falsely being accused of lying by the lying party is a boost for him to become a Senator.

The House of Representatives censured Rep. Adam B. Schiff in a party-.line, 213-209 vote Wednesday, and the Burbank Democrat seems delighted. — The censure was a victory for Donald Trump, who had called for primary challenges for any Republican who voted against it.

[GaryDenton]

Where politicians from the blue half of the US government - such as
Biden, Clinton and Obama - are famously honest and transparent.

OK.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Both parties lie. This shouldn't be a shocking revelation.

[jusplay4fun]

Does Gary think only Republican politicians LIE? If so, he is naive, very naive.

[saxitoxin]

There is some speculation Democratic political advisors have now adopted the Russian firehose technique. Spew lies constantly and never retract or correct them and never leave your opponents time to catch up to them all.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1671612705378127873

[GaryDenton]

Does Gary think only Republican politicians LIE? If so, he is naive, very naive.

One party is now constant outrageous lies.|

[jusplay4fun]

Does Gary think only Republican politicians LIE? If so, he is naive, very naive.

One party is now constant outrageous lies.|

Yes, that is what Democrats do, tell lies.

[GaryDenton]

Saxi toxin-

Deficit reduced by $1.7 Trillion - True.

You can get the WP Fact checker conservative clown saying that it is False to claim it was Biden's policies that caused it because every fact check he attacks Democrats no matter what. But he is a known conservative Republican clown.
You will see that is all the attacks on that claim. True on deficit reduction, but they disagree Biden caused it.

Do you want to know the history of the politically balanced editors at the WP and how normally, before Trump, they were known for their many Right-wing Republicans who were constantly on TV?
Maybe later, I have been busy in RL lately.

[GaryDenton]

LOL!

Wow, you can tell your propaganda sources.

Yes, that is what Democrats do, tell lies.

[jusplay4fun]

LOL!

Wow, you can tell your propaganda sources.

Yes, that is what Democrats do, tell lies.

And I can tell yours; you are very biased. Your very title here SHOWS your bias.

I try to look for facts and not opinions. I do not see that in any of your posts.

[jimboston]

The idea that someone presents themselves as being intelligent and well informed… then goes on to basically claim the Democrats are pure and angelic whereas the Republicans are liars and evil. It’s amazing. No ability to see reality.

They all lie and they are all corrupt. It’s just a matter of degree in some cases.

If you increase spending in your first year, then reduce it in your second year…. but it’s higher than when you started…
THAT’S NOT A REDUCTION.

You wanna claim you reduced the deficit?
Drop spending to 2010 levels!

That’s still a huge budget… in 2010 it was probably the biggest budget of any country ever at the time.
It’s been since beat ever year… because every year it goes up.

Covid gave a temporary giant bump… which has been pulled back… but that was a “one time” event.
Calling that a reduction might be “technically” accurate if you want to look at one year…
but it’s absolutely dishonest to try to claim it as an accomplishment and a “deficit reduction”

[GaryDenton]

Yes, the "so-called liberal mainstream media" constantly says this -

"Facts First: Biden's boast leaves out important context. It is true that the federal deficit fell by a total of $1.7 trillion under Biden in the 2021 and 2022 ..."

You don't see those admissions on the constant outrageous Trump and Republican lies.

[GaryDenton]

I never said or implied "Democrats are pure and angelic whereas the Republicans are liars and evil."

I just say that Republicans are ALWAYS outrageous unmitigated constant liars now and Democrats are normal politicians.

I haven't seen any counter to that offered up. I would suggest you give up on "what aboutism" pointing to Democrats and answer the question "why" or maybe laughably try to defend the claims they offer up in one day.

[GaryDenton]

So this is your standard. LOL!

You wanna claim you reduced the deficit?
Drop spending to 2010 levels!


Normal American voters wouldn't accept that. It would be stronger than the reaction to actually stopping abortions.

[jimboston]

Yes, the "so-called liberal mainstream media" constantly says this -

"Facts First: Biden's boast leaves out important context. It is true that the federal deficit fell by a total of $1.7 trillion under Biden in the 2021 and 2022 ..."

You don't see those admissions on the constant outrageous Trump and Republican lies.

The media constantly points out Trump’s lies.
They have a hard time keeping up because he lies so much… but suggesting the media is biased in favor of Trump?

You have NO ABILITY to see or acknowledge reality outside your liberal bubble.

[jimboston]

So this is your standard. LOL!

You wanna claim you reduced the deficit?
Drop spending to 2010 levels!


Normal American voters wouldn't accept that. It would be stronger than the reaction to actually stopping abortions.

So cutting spending to what we spent 14years ago is outrageous.

LOL

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/09/biden- ... ng-charted

The budget in 2010 was still incredibly huge.

It’s not like I’m “gasp” suggesting we go back to 1990 or 1980.
LOL

We spend too much and no one really knows what the f*ck we are spending it all on.
The only way to get rid of wasteful spending is to make harsh cuts.

You can say “normal americans” won’t stand for it… if we don’t do it things will be
much worse before I’m dead. I’m not claiming to have direct insight as to when the
foundations of our economy will collapse… maybe it’s 10 years, maybe it’s 30…
but if we do nothing it WILL happen.

We can’t spend our way out do this one… or if we can it’ll cause a long depression
and excessive inflation.

[GaryDenton]

The problem has not been too much spending.

It has been way too much in corporate and millionaire/billionaire tax cuts.

Corporate income taxes are now only 6% of government revenue, less than half of the 70s not to mention the ideal situation in the early 50s.

And what are your taxes? According to a 2021 White House study, the wealthiest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent.

In theory, our tax system is designed to tax the rich at higher rates than everyone else. That’s not the way it works at the loftiest incomes. The data reveals a system where the very highest earners, on average, pay far lower tax rates than the merely affluent do. And even among the top 400, some groups have it better than others: Tech billionaires pay rates well below even other business owners. Wealthiest Americans pay just 3.4% of income in taxes.

And you know of course that Social Security is limited as income rises and stops at $160,200.

There is no problem with the outgo, it is the income where taxes now falls only on the middle class.
.

[GaryDenton]

Here is a study that found the wealthiest paid 3.4% of their earnings in taxes.


Between 2014 and 2018, the 25 wealthiest Americans collectively earned $401bn, but paid just $13.6bn – about 3.4% of that – in taxes, according to a bombshell ProPublica investigation into the finances of the wealthiest Americans released on Wednesday.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/13/wealthiest-americans-tax-income-propublica-investigation

[mookiemcgee]

The problem has not been too much spending.

I mean the 'problem' is both spending and revenue, but I'd entirely agree the one side won't even enter into a conversation that recognizes the problem has two sides.

[GaryDenton]

That one side is insisting one of the biggest problems is the IRS.

How can you more clearly show you are only interested in protecting tax cheats?

[jusplay4fun]

As an example of LIES by politicians:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adam-schiff-censure-resolution-vote-house/

Washington — The House voted to censure Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff for his role in congressional investigations of former President Donald Trump, making him the 25th House lawmaker to face the punishment in U.S. history.

The measure passed along party lines by a vote of 213 to 209. Six Republicans voted present.

(...)

The revised resolution calls for the House Ethics Committee to investigate Schiff, the former chair of the House Intelligence Committee and current candidate for Senate in California, for his alleged "falsehoods, misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information."

It claims Schiff "abused" the public's trust "by alleging he had evidence of collusion" between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and Russia. It also accuses him of acting "dishonestly and dishonorably."

"As chair of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff launched an all out political campaign built on baseless distortions against a sitting U.S. president at the expense of every single citizen in this country and the honor of the House of Representatives," Luna said Wednesday, calling the resolution "a clear vote between right and wrong."

Censure is essentially a formal public reprimand by the House to punish misconduct that falls short of warranting expulsion. The censured member typically must stand on the House floor as the resolution detailing his or her offenses is read aloud.

[jimboston]

The problem has not been too much spending.

It has been way too much in corporate and millionaire/billionaire tax cuts.

Two sides of the same coin… I’ll agree to a modest tax raise if you agree to cut spending!

… but when that deal gets made what typically happens is the tax cuts are temporary… but the spending NEVER gets cut!

I also think it’s funny that Libs ALWAYS blame the rich.

Meanwhile the rich have been paying more and more in taxes every year since our Founding as a Nation.

Educate yourself…

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of ... -the-rich/

https://taxfoundation.org/publications/ ... -tax-data/




The Top 1% pay over 40% of Federal Income Taxes.
Think about that 1% of the people… have 1% of the voting power… pay nearly half of Federal Income Taxes!

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