The Thing TOWN WINS!

[DirtyDishSoap]

That's a lynch!

A rather short day in the base today, but a point was brought up today, "Isn't your name Fuchs? Like, Fee-u-ks?"
"No! My name is Fucks! Get it right!"
"Wow... okay."

*FWOOOSH!*


Sonic - Fuchs Vanilla Scientist has been lynched!

You have 48 hours to send me night actions

[DirtyDishSoap]

As the sun rises, a burst of flame was heard. "That isn't a mullet! It's a wig! You bastard! You killed him!"

*FWOOOSH*



Charle - MacReady - Town Vigilante (Converted) was burnt to a crisp! May his awesome hair rest in pepperonies.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 for majority!

Day 4 has begun!

[degaston]

I went through about as much of the history as I could stand to see if I should choose Strike or Vot instead of Charle, and maybe Strike was a tiny bit scummier than Vot, but if I chose wrong then town would be dead today, so I went with Charle.

So... who wants to be BT'd today?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I went through about as much of the history as I could stand to see if I should choose Strike or Vot instead of Charle, and maybe Strike was a tiny bit scummier than Vot, but if I chose wrong then town would be dead today, so I went with Charle.

So... who wants to be BT'd today?

Was the safest play. I do still believe is Strike. Anyway we bt if Positive lynch if no we lynch the other.

BT Strike

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Wait we have a problem if one of them converted the other.

Lets Say Vot is the recruiter. we BT Strike and its positive. we lynch strike but Vot converts Deg so its 2v2. and game will be over. so it was important to hit the right target yesterday. ugh.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Deg can you Flame today?

[degaston]

I think we should just say how we intend to vote instead of making an official BT vote.
I haven't decided yet.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Hmmm actually it does not matter.

Scenario A. Vot or Strike recruited each other . we bt and lynch one of them Deg Flame the other Town insta win.

Scenario B. Vot or Strike recruited Deg. If positive we lynch the on as will be thing if negative we Lynch the other and means Deg was converted. but we are 3v1 then

[strike wolf]

Wait we have a problem if one of them converted the other.

Lets Say Vot is the recruiter. we BT Strike and its positive. we lynch strike but Vot converts Deg so its 2v2. and game will be over. so it was important to hit the right target yesterday. ugh.

DDS confirmed that kills happen before the conversion. So Dega would still be able to kill the Thing and then if the game doesnt end, wed BT one of the remaining players tomorrow.

Its a null point though as I was not converted. So a BT on me will still show town and then we lynch Vot and figure out the last recruit after that. I probably should feel bad about contributing to the Son!c lynch but he was literally the only one pushing against the near fool proof plan that Dega came up with and pulled a 180 on his view of Charle just because Traf wasn't cult. Plus this guarantees he gets to win as town. So it's not all bad for him.

No Flamethrower in the scene. So either the Thing chose not to recruit Dega or were out of back up vigs.

BT me or Vot. The lynch will be the same either way. I mildly prefer BTing vot but it ultimately doesn't matter.

Hmmm actually it does not matter.

Scenario A. Vot or Strike recruited each other . we bt and lynch one of them Deg Flame the other Town insta win.

Scenario B. Vot or Strike recruited Deg. If positive we lynch the on as will be thing if negative we Lynch the other and means Deg was converted. but we are 3v1 then

Pretty much except we dont know that Dega was recruited and the scene does not mention a Flamethrower unlike yesterday when Charle was recruited. My guess is that Vot took my thinking out loud about who the recruiter should recruit to heart and recruited either you or Ragian to try to create some chance at survival. It's ultimately a wasted effort as (and I think Dega Also figured this out) once the recruiter is dead, we dont have to lynch or vig anyone until we have a positive BT on the recruit. The only way this wouldn't be true is if The Thing can pass on recruiting powers but I've already said more than once that that would be completely unbalanced in Cults favor.

[Votanic]

Well... I guess it's obvious how strike and myself will vote.

I might add that strike did not convert me last night.
...Oh yeah, and for that matter, neither did I convert him.

So the sooner we BT the sooner this will be resolved.

[Votanic]

Pretty much except we dont know that Dega was recruited and the scene does not mention a Flamethrower unlike yesterday when Charle was recruited. My guess is that Vot took my thinking out loud about who the recruiter should recruit to heart and recruited either you or Ragian to try to create some chance at survival. It's ultimately a wasted effort as (and I think Dega Also figured this out) once the recruiter is dead, we dont have to lynch or vig anyone until we have a positive BT on the recruit. The only way this wouldn't be true is if The Thing can pass on recruiting powers but I've already said more than once that that would be completely unbalanced in Cults favor.

Hmm, it does occurs to me that we haven't been officially told by DDS that the Thing's recruitment ability can't be passed on...
Afterall, we didn't know about the flamethrower being passed on either, until it happened.

[degaston]

Deg can you Flame today?

I haven't been told otherwise. (Of course, I wouldn't admit it if I had been recruited, so that doesn't count for anything) What should count is that there was no message about the FT being lost or found, and the Thing wouldn't know if there would be. Obviously, I was not a good choice for recruitment last night.

[strike wolf]

Actually I take it back. It's slightly better for everyone to know I'm town and give us better odds at finding the recruit quicker. So BT me.

If the recruit can't recruit then if we use the vig, we should still be in a 2 v1 situation if the vig shot misses and if I'm known town then town will know who the recruit is after the failed vig shot. If in the unlikely scenario that the recruit can recruit then the 50/50 vig shot would be our only chance. If I'm not BTed then Dega would have a 1 in 3 chance of hitting right. Even in the non-recruit situation, Dega using the shot would confirm him as still town.

[strike wolf]

But yes. I'd like to hear from Ragian before I put my BT down. Good work on the vig Dega.

[degaston]

I have a new plan to handle the possibility where a recruit can become the recruiter if the original Thing dies.
If the original Thing is lynched, then we could assume the recruited would take over that night, and submit their recruitment choice.
But if the original Thing is vigged, then they should get no recruitment that night, and the recruited would not get a chance until the next night. (Because night results aren't normally calculated until all actions have been submitted.)
So the problem is, how do we guarantee that we vig the Thing.

We BT Strike.
If it comes back innocent, then Vot is the Thing, and he recruited either Rag or Traf.
So we lynch either Rag or Traf and I'll vig Vot.
If we lynch correctly, then both things are dead and town wins immediately.
If we lynch incorrectly, then the next day Strike and I are guaranteed town, and can lynch whichever one of Rag or Traf we didn't lynch the previous day.

If it comes back guilty, then Strike is either the recruiter or the recruited.
In this case, we lynch Vot, and I'll vig Strike.
If Strike recruited Vot, or vice-versa, then they are both dead and town wins immediately.
If Strike recruited Rag or Traf, then we (Rag, Traf, and I) BT one of them, and can lynch correctly depending on the result.

This will work the same if we swap the actions for Vot and Strike.

[degaston]

Forgot to add:
BT Strike

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I have a new plan to handle the possibility where a recruit can become the recruiter if the original Thing dies.
If the original Thing is lynched, then we could assume the recruited would take over that night, and submit their recruitment choice.
But if the original Thing is vigged, then they should get no recruitment that night, and the recruited would not get a chance until the next night. (Because night results aren't normally calculated until all actions have been submitted.)
So the problem is, how do we guarantee that we vig the Thing.

We BT Strike.
If it comes back innocent, then Vot is the Thing, and he recruited either Rag or Traf.
So we lynch either Rag or Traf and I'll vig Vot.
If we lynch correctly, then both things are dead and town wins immediately.
If we lynch incorrectly, then the next day Strike and I are guaranteed town, and can lynch whichever one of Rag or Traf we didn't lynch the previous day.

If it comes back guilty, then Strike is either the recruiter or the recruited.
In this case, we lynch Vot, and I'll vig Strike.
If Strike recruited Vot, or vice-versa, then they are both dead and town wins immediately.
If Strike recruited Rag or Traf, then we (Rag, Traf, and I) BT one of them, and can lynch correctly depending on the result.

This will work the same if we swap the actions for Vot and Strike.

If strike comes guilty we should still lynch strike we can decide who to vig. cause if he turns guilty and we do not lynch him. I take your word for now that you aren't but what guarantees town that the next its not case: the thing is strike he converted you, we lynch a townie Vot and town lose as there is no longer a vig.

[degaston]

If strike comes guilty we should still lynch strike we can decide who to vig. cause if he turns guilty and we do not lynch him. I take your word for now that you aren't but what guarantees town that the next its not case: the thing is strike he converted you, we lynch a townie Vot and town lose as there is no longer a vig.

If we lynch Strike and he turns out to be the recruiter, then how do we guarantee that I vig the recruited?
Because if I don't, and the recruited can become the recruiter, then town loses.

If I was recruited, then town has no vig, so if the recruited can become the recruiter, then town has already lost because it will never be able to reduce the number of Things below 2.

My plan will work whether the recruited can become the recruiter or not.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

If strike comes guilty we should still lynch strike we can decide who to vig. cause if he turns guilty and we do not lynch him. I take your word for now that you aren't but what guarantees town that the next its not case: the thing is strike he converted you, we lynch a townie Vot and town lose as there is no longer a vig.

If we lynch Strike and he turns out to be the recruiter, then how do we guarantee that I vig the recruited?
Because if I don't, and the recruited can become the recruiter, then town loses.

If I was recruited, then town has no vig, so if the recruited can become the recruiter, then town has already lost because it will never be able to reduce the number of Things below 2.

My plan will work whether the recruited can become the recruiter or not.

Because we can not be sure u are not the recruited. You and Strike can come up with this plan to make us believe you are still vig and its a certain town win just not to be.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So I think this is the situation.

1 thing between Strike and Vot and 1 recrited among all 4 ot the other ones.

If you are still vig we lynch vig both of them but, we lynch the positive one. If the BTd comes negative obviouly everything is much easier. as we know we will lynch the thing.

If we do not lynch the positive one we are in the situation where the thing among the ex vig can play town.

So if u are not recruited you still flame the other to make sure the original thing is not alive anymore.

I was not covnerted, butfor the argument's sake lets say Ragian or myself were the converted one. we would still be 2v1. and town wins.

Yes all this is asuming the thing cannot pass its power. but I do believe that would be to unbalanced.

[strike wolf]

*Shrugs* I was going to wait for Ragian to comment but I'm currently believing Traf and this will clear the air some.

BT Strike

[degaston]

Because we can not be sure u are not the recruited. You and Strike can come up with this plan to make us believe you are still vig and its a certain town win just not to be.

Charle had the FT on D1 & D2.
At the start of D3, we got the message:

An unlikely hero has found the flamethrower abandoned.

I have proven that I now have the FT, and that it happened because Charle was recruited. We did not get a similar message at the start of D4, so I still have it.

The Thing would not want to try the same thing again - there would be no reason to expect a different result. If he did, then it would be very easy for town to BT Vot or Strike, then lynch the correct one according to the results, then whoever got the FT could vig me, knowing that I had been recruited.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Well let's wait for the Strike BTs result. If negative we know who to lynch (Votanic).

If not, then we can have a talk. But as someone pointed before we could have run out of backup vigs.

But as far as I'm concerned: I'm lynching Strike if positive and Vot if negative. Quite simple for me.

[degaston]

But as far as I'm concerned: I'm lynching Strike if positive and Vot if negative. Quite simple for me.

NO! Bad Traf!

If it's positive, then it's because Strike wanted you to lynch him so that I can't vig him, and his recruit will get a chance to recruit someone else.

If it's negative and you lynch Vot, then it's because YOU are the recruit, and you want the chance to recruit someone else.

[strike wolf]

I'd like to talk more.