Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[pmchugh]

Back to me*

[Loose Canon]

I have to stay out of this for now.

Being hauled up by the masons ethics committee for disclosing masonic secrets.

Don't know how they found out - unless max has been grassing me up already.

Max???

[Maxleod]

[quote="Loose Canon"]I have to stay out of this for now.

Being hauled up by the masons ethics committee for disclosing masonic secrets.

Don't know how they found out - unless max has been grassing me up already.

Max???[/quote

The f*ck are you talking about????

[Maxleod]

Seriousely, what's that about?

[Loose Canon]

Don't even know who inducted me into the freemasons in the first place.

Assumed it was DDS but might have been my old friend Epstein.

Neither are around any longer sadly to defend me.

Hopefully I'll get away with a generous donation to some fund or another and agree to sadomasochistic participation in one of their rituals

[pmchugh]

No wonder you guys after me, masons always mistreating those born into Catholic families.

[Loose Canon]

I would recommend reading some of Pepe's posts from when he was town:

viewtopic.php?f=610&t=239406&sk=a&start=900

His English has improved since then, nice work Pepe, I know how hard it is to learn languages! But otherwise he seems much freer, more logical and less newbie. When you read this game, he is uncomfortable by comparison.

Actually got to give a nod to this.
Could be just that Pepe prefers and/or is more comfortable in a role heavy game like supermax was.
Also Pepe has been shot down whenever he has tried to contribute analytically to this game, not exclusively but also not least by me.
The uncomfortable by comparison is an accurate description for whatever reason by my read too

[pmchugh]

He was town that game, mafia this game. It's easy to give him an easy ride for being new, it was my instinct too, but he has been scummy this game especially day 1.

I should try find EW scum meta to compliment this, because I do think if you read the game from his perspective, he is clearly avoiding contact with Pepe.

[pmchugh]

Found this but keeping it real, it doesnt back up my read on EW, he doesn't particularly ignore his partners in that game:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... afia/page4

It is a different site with many more experienced players who post very frequently, I read very differently there so might not be a great comparison but still.

I still think you can brain dead win this game with, pmc asked mafia to shoot EW, therefore pmc is not EWs partner.

[Maxleod]

Pepe's English has improved since last year, that reeks of scumminess, he must be scum!!!

Loose, kill him already. Please?

[Loose Canon]

Honestly I think this is an extremely close call.

I still have more thinking to do.

Not saying I won't ultimately.

Think you and PMC and Pepe should argue it out while I'm pondering

[Charle]

Ok guys, I'm going to have to put an end to this, I mean, life's too short ...

Deadline Sunday 22 September 2024 - 12H00 GMT.

If we do not have a result by this time, we will go into night.

[pmchugh]

I will make a final case against Pepe before Sunday. I won't defend myself again, unless someone actually makes a point against me, which neither Max nor Pepe are doing, for different reasons!

[PepeAtila]

I will make a final case against Pepe before Sunday. I won't defend myself again, unless someone actually makes a point against me, which neither Max nor Pepe are doing, for different reasons!

I think there is no need to go against you. It's obvious. You are going to say whatever is necessary to try to save yourself.

[Loose Canon]

Ok guys, I'm going to have to put an end to this, I mean, life's too short ...

Deadline Sunday 22 September 2024 - 12H00 GMT.

If we do not have a result by this time, we will go into night.

Please make it 29th charle

[pmchugh]

I will make a final case against Pepe before Sunday. I won't defend myself again, unless someone actually makes a point against me, which neither Max nor Pepe are doing, for different reasons!

I think there is no need to go against you. It's obvious. You are going to say whatever is necessary to try to save yourself.

Well played. Good move, I am the favourite to die, if you turtle shell and say nothing, you win. No matter what evidence I present, no matter how persuasive I am, it's all just me "saying whatever is necessary".

You sir, have a case which cannot be proven wrong!

[Loose Canon]

PMC your posts about ew are 90% reminding us you said a helpful EW is a scum EW, and a lot of those came after EW was killed.

Wrong, that part is fakeable. The part I keep harping on about is when I told both scum factions to kill EW.

Why is this a big deal?

1. EW has zero defence from this, he can't bargain with the other scum team.
2. It was a very good idea and they listened to me
3. Doing so did not buy me town cred, because I easily could have been in the other scum team and said this. It had no benefit until they were all dead.
4. I was under some pressure and EW wasn't

Doing this would have been so stupid.

Reread D2 AGAIN but quicker than I'd like to have.
In order to work out what I think of the above in context of D2 as it happened.
It hadn't registered with me have to be honest.

Now it does lead me to give a town nod to PMC

vote pepeatilla

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Pepe (2) - PMC, Loose
PMC (2) - Pepe, Max

4 Alive - 3 Votes needed for a lynch

[PepeAtila]

I will make a final case against Pepe before Sunday. I won't defend myself again, unless someone actually makes a point against me, which neither Max nor Pepe are doing, for different reasons!

I think there is no need to go against you. It's obvious. You are going to say whatever is necessary to try to save yourself.

Well played. Good move, I am the favourite to die, if you turtle shell and say nothing, you win. No matter what evidence I present, no matter how persuasive I am, it's all just me "saying whatever is necessary".

You sir, have a case which cannot be proven wrong!

It is you who played very well... ... talking and talking... shooting everywhere until you manage to persuade ...

[Loose Canon]

Pepe, Max believes you (or says he does currently) and I'm very very marginal.

Think you should argue your case - I accept that PMC argues matters really well, so I accept it is would be an asymetric argument and so would need to factor that in for my part in trying to come to correct decision.

[Loose Canon]

PMC was correct when he said EW ignored Pepe totally.
It's not a bad play from one scum partner to another.
But it's just a nod to Pepe being scum.

All in all it's only marginally better than a coin toss which of PMC or Pepe is with EW

[Loose Canon]

Before Charle s deadline I was going to suggest the following max.

I'd stick on Pepe for another week.

If by end of that time I haven't changed my mind and lynched PMC and you haven't changed your mind and lynched Pepe, I'd then close my eyes and lynch PMC.

That way we'd get a marginal decision right or wrong together.

[SoN!c]

Deadline is this sunday boys! Unless Charle changes it..

If you have to think about something that takes that long to think about then it's like you have nothing better to do, so please don't do that here! Make up your mind!!!

[pmchugh]

OK I got to the end.

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EW is probably scum, but pointless to try lynch him. If you are in either evil faction just shoot him. Cause if he is town he can catch you when he pays attention and if he is in the other faction he has high chances of guiding his team to success.

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PMC is probably just town, catching up the way he did is townie - making reads as he goes? I dont like his read on me and getting two factions to aim for me but what can you do. I also dont like how ...

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Firstly, totally agree on night kills. The other Scum faction can both shoot them and vote them out and I would definitely be targeting the other side.

If both scum shoot you, one less death
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1. EW has zero defence from this, he can't bargain with the other scum team.
2. It was a very good idea and they listened to me
3. Doing so did not buy me town cred, because I easily could have been in the other scum team and said this. It had no benefit until they were all dead.
4. I was under some pressure and EW wasn't

Doing this would have been so stupid.

Max and Pepe I challenge you to explain how this is an interaction between scum mates.

[Maxleod]

TL;DR

Max and Pepe I challenge you to explain how this is an interaction between scum mates.

Deception is scum's main weapon?