The 757 that hit the Pentagon

[xtratabasco]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/index.html

According to this study...no 757 hit the Pentagon. Read and decide.

thanks, and these experts also say no 757 hit the Pentagon, but they wont respond to facts like the ones you or me post, heck there even to afraid to reply to you.


http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

here is one of the over 700 members



Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career.

Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.
Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

[DaGip]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580&q=Pandora%27s+Black+Box%3A+Chapter+2+.&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Here also is a video...watch and decide.

If you haven't watched this video, you should. It questions the actual altitude of the airplane in accordance with the black box. And at the end, Pilots For Truth call and ask the government about the descrepentcies of flight 77, but they only get a "give all your info and questions, and I will get someone that can respond to you appropriately." Seems kind of fishy to me. Like they are trying to cover up information pertaining to that day.

[xtratabasco]

way to completely edit my quote...

kinda like what the rest of the conspiracy people do all the time to prove their point

I didnt edit anything.
its on page 5 near the bottom and now your a liar.

[xtratabasco]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/index.html

According to this study...no 757 hit the Pentagon. Read and decide.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

Here also is a video...watch and decide.

I just watched the video and its exactly what the experts have been saying since day one.

That this government is lying to us about 911.


Did you see this one

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003

it is fairly new and goes into great detail about the WTC buildings and how this government is lying about them as well.



notice that the others here dont reply to you, they only attack my spelling or wrong use of words.


very telling

[unriggable]

way to completely edit my quote...

kinda like what the rest of the conspiracy people do all the time to prove their point

Yeah, it's practically a conspiracy going on there.

[Bavarian Raven]

i skimmed through most of this thread...both sides have gone to far...its almost sad how BOTH sides believe they are right to the T...

[xtratabasco]

i skimmed through most of this thread...both sides have gone to far...its almost sad how BOTH sides believe they are right to the T...

all you need to skim is this

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

[s.xkitten]

I don't believe I'm 'right to a T'. As I have stated before, the government probably did have some part in this, I just don't believe that they actually committed 9/11. I simply believe that they ignored previous warnings.

[DaGip]

I don't believe I'm 'right to a T'. As I have stated before, the government probably did have some part in this, I just don't believe that they actually committed 9/11. I simply believe that they ignored previous warnings.

That could be, s.kitten. PearlHarbor was done in such a fashion, as well. But if it is the case that the evidence points towards this current administration actually committing this crime...what would you do?

I don't know what I would do, probably the same as you, and that would be to remain complacent, as the majority of Americans have been doing for years. However, the rest of the world may not wish to live their lives being complacent to America. We may actually be living in the time of the destruction and invasion of America from outside forces. Perhaps this New World Order can not take hold with the current American system in place. Maybe that's why the New Age Pirates stole 2.3 Trillion dollars (how many zeros is that?) and then covered it up by attacking the WTC and the Pentagon accounting offices? This is up for conjecture.

[heavycola]

we need to see pics or videos or the black boxes from the 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and vaporized.

Did you not see the planes hit the World Trade Center with your own eyes?

Have you seen ANY wreckage, wheels or landing gear made of "tietaneeum" as you call it?

You SAW the planes go in, yet there is nothing left. Hmmm...ever wonder why?

Think REAALLLLLY hard about Xtra (take of the tin foil hat first). You can do it, I know you can!

you even posted some picks of debris from the penatgon....



but, they werent from a 757

now compare:



And a global hawk wheel, for comparison:



Proved. 757 wreckage. Proved to anyone that can count the number of holes, anyway.


I'm answering my pwn question since you don't seem able to.

thats 1 wheel, where are the other 7?

So you admit it's a 757 wheel? And not from a global hawk?

yes? no? Come on - a one-word answer. One word! yes, or no!

No answer. I understand.

[xtratabasco]

the information I rely on says no its not, but since you believe it is, where are the other 7 wheels?

[heavycola]

the information I rely on says no its not, but since you believe it is, where are the other 7 wheels?

I have just posted clear-as-day photographic proof that this wheel found at the wreckage was from a 757. It also shows that it is not from a global hawk, as you stated earlier. It is also a photo of part of a 757 at the crash site, which is what you were asking for.

You, on the other hand, have proved nothing.

[Snorri1234]

the information I rely on says no its not, but since you believe it is, where are the other 7 wheels?

I bet when we would post pictures of the other 7 wheels, you'd demand we show pictures of the landing gear, the seats and the bodies, because you don't actually want to see proof of it.

[DaGip]

i skimmed through most of this thread...both sides have gone to far...its almost sad how BOTH sides believe they are right to the T...

I don't believe that I am 100% right, but I do know that there are some very good questions put forward by the whole conspiracy community. But, at the same time, the non-conspiracy buffs provide some good counter arguments. I consider myself a stranger in a strange land on these subjects, so I am constantly looking for answers on both sides of DaFence. If we can establish the facts on both sides, then we can clearly make better observations on the whole scenerio. I encourage you and others to do the same.

[Backglass]

I bet when we would post pictures of the other 7 wheels, you'd demand we show pictures of the landing gear, the seats and the bodies, because you don't actually want to see proof of it.

I have already posted pictures of Landing Gear and Bodies. They were blown-off as well.

He isn't trying to find the truth, he is trying to make the truth fit HIS idea of what happened.

[xtratabasco]

the information I rely on says no its not, but since you believe it is, where are the other 7 wheels?

I have just posted clear-as-day photographic proof that this wheel found at the wreckage was from a 757. It also shows that it is not from a global hawk, as you stated earlier. It is also a photo of part of a 757 at the crash site, which is what you were asking for.

You, on the other hand, have proved nothing.

ohhh contrare


this has been posted half a dozen times you just wont open your eyes


Ive debunked every picture you guys have posted.



http://www.realnews247.com/911_pentagon ... e_part.htm

http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg


Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 36:00

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22



Then there is this

Compare your pics to the ones here between

19:40-

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22


Here is some pics of debris at 36:39

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22




so.....you will have to start over or dont.

[DaGip]

we need to see pics or videos or the black boxes from the 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and vaporized.

Did you not see the planes hit the World Trade Center with your own eyes?

Have you seen ANY wreckage, wheels or landing gear made of "tietaneeum" as you call it?

You SAW the planes go in, yet there is nothing left. Hmmm...ever wonder why?

Think REAALLLLLY hard about Xtra (take of the tin foil hat first). You can do it, I know you can!

you even posted some picks of debris from the penatgon....



but, they werent from a 757

now compare:



And a global hawk wheel, for comparison:



Proved. 757 wreckage. Proved to anyone that can count the number of holes, anyway.


I'm answering my pwn question since you don't seem able to.

thats 1 wheel, where are the other 7?

So you admit it's a 757 wheel? And not from a global hawk?

yes? no? Come on - a one-word answer. One word! yes, or no!

No answer. I understand.

Just one question. How do you know that physical evidence wasn't planted? I understand that the physical evidence of debris was there, but how do you know that it wasn't planted in some fashion? Perhaps this landing gear was tacked on to another device? I am sure it wouldn't be hard to weld some parts on to something...Jesse James does it all the time when he is modifying MotorCycleChoppers. The video clearly shows something smaller than a 757, in my opinion. The fireball is remeniscent of a missle strike, would a 757 also make the exact same fireball signature? The intial hole in the Pentagon was clearly smaller than a Boeing 757, it wasn't until later that the upper floors collapsed that the hole looked large enough, but there is evidence that the intial strike caused a hole much smaller than a Boeing 757. Also, Pilots for Truth obtained the information from the Black Box that contains all the flight information, thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (Luckily this administration has dismantled that little jewel yet). Pilots for Truth comprised the flight animation for flight 77, and you can watch it in real time if you want. You should watch it, pretty interesting stuff, I think I posted it before, here it is again:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

Now, are there any pilots out there who can confirm this? I would like to hear from them on the whole 29.92 bit. This is not my realm of expertise as I am just a snoop dog. If anyone is familiar with aviation and its proper mechanics, could you please watch this video and give me your input?

[unriggable]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

[DaGip]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

We are just going around and around with speculations, so I won't debate you on it. None of which would be conducive to finding the real answers.

[unriggable]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

We are just going around and around with speculations, so I won't debate you on it. None of which would be conducive to finding the real answers.

Funny thing is that 'real' in this thread means nothing.

[xtratabasco]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

We are just going around and around with speculations, so I won't debate you on it. None of which would be conducive to finding the real answers.

Funny thing is that 'real' in this thread means nothing.

another funny is that money talks and bull shit walks and there is still a reward for over 1 million dollars to prove this governments fairy tail true, it was on the table since day one and still hasent been given out, because nobody can, including you.


think about that for a moment.

the biggest attack in our country and you cant prove it happened the way this government says.

thats the true conspiricy.

[Backglass]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

We are just going around and around with speculations, so I won't debate you on it. None of which would be conducive to finding the real answers.

The first responders (Fire/Ambulance/Etc) were on the scene within 5 minutes. Can anyone explain to me how you plant thousands of pounds of evidence in 5 minutes without anyone seeing you come or go?

[xtratabasco]

Because it would have been way too hot for anybody to go in there and plant it, let alone a truck to carry the heavy stuff.

We are just going around and around with speculations, so I won't debate you on it. None of which would be conducive to finding the real answers.

The first responders (Fire/Ambulance/Etc) were on the scene within 5 minutes. Can anyone explain to me how you plant thousands of pounds of evidence in 5 minutes without anyone seeing you come or go?

wheres the 7 other wheels?



Ive debunked every picture you guys have posted.



http://www.realnews247.com/911_pentagon ... e_part.htm

http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg


Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 36:00

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22



Then there is this

Compare your pics to the ones here between

19:40-

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22


Here is some pics of debris at 36:39

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22

[Dancing Mustard]

You say you have, but all you've done is post links to videos nobody has watched.

You want to disprove Backglass:

1. Get some still images
2. Post them here
3. Explain what it is you think they prove


It's that simple! That's all you have to do to prove that you're not just a troll. Until then people are just going to keep laughing at you and your crackpot little theories.

If you've got evidence, then you'll be able to post it. Just like everybody else.

[xtratabasco]

You say you have, but all you've done is post links to videos nobody has watched.

You want to disprove Backglass:

1. Get some still images
2. Post them here
3. Explain what it is you think they prove


It's that simple! That's all you have to do to prove that you're not just a troll. Until then people are just going to keep laughing at you and your crackpot little theories.

If you've got evidence, then you'll be able to post it. Just like everybody else.

and all you got to do is prove this governments story and you get 1 million dollars.








and lets not talk for backglass.


here is the pictures and proof that debunks all you and your friends links







Ive debunked every picture you guys have posted.



http://www.realnews247.com/911_pentagon ... e_part.htm

http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg


Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 36:00

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22



Then there is this

Compare your pics to the ones here between

19:40-

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22


Here is some pics of debris at 36:39

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
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