Multis: Writergirl15, Fogernth, & Bwana[ES]

[Mad777]

I don't want to add spice into this claim but when you have 3 different players using the same computer, taking turn one after each other, let's say in one of those Assassin/Fog games, can you imagine how many territories the other 2 are seeing?

I want to trust the honesty from all of them, I really do, but the temptation to watch Dad playing or Dad watching one of his child playing and them seeing all the hidden "?" territory they would normally don't have access to...You can come up with all the words you want saying you all trust them, you all know them personally, you all are sure of....still, no one but them are facing the computer and no one but them knows who is watching who and what...are they having a curtain around the screen to isolate themselves while playing a turn? That is what is now being reviewed, outside of all the honesty you could possibly put into this unveiled case.

Please, please! Don't take this personal, I'm just bringing example and now that I know those 3 individuals are all related and could perhaps share the same computer and playing one after each other (why not each family member use their own smart phone? Tablet? Other mean to play with a different IP and hidden from the other family member...I'm assuming everybody has a smart phone today, maybe here it's not the case...)
Let's say I create a game, 6P multi (any type, Standard, Terminator or Assassin), the 3 family member are joining and 2 other lambda players, let's say I'm Bwana's target, do you think I won't start to imagine while writegirl or her brother plays, Dad is not watching the screen and perhaps luring some of my territories that he would not see during his turn? In casual game I may not just give a damn but in a tournament and/or event I would probably have an issue with this...not you?

To me it's a tough one, obviously if they wanted to cheat and have the whole family ganging & gaining rank and medal they could have done very easily, and since more than a decade, but they obviously haven't so that is perhaps the good way to take it, it is just now tough to have a 100% of fairness in your own mind knowing the fact you could possibly play against 3 players who are all watching the same screen at the same time...

Again, I apologize if I have offended anyone here, there is zero intent from my end, but I had to bring this up...because that is what is all about primarily.

[zeus111]

these 10 games are looking like point dumping to dad in my opinion this issue needs to be addressed


https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417993 2019-10-17 22:57:42 - Bwana gained 31 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417992 2019-10-17 22:57:46 - Bwana gained 33 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417991 2019-10-17 22:58:11 - Bwana gained 34 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417990 2019-10-17 22:57:09 - Bwana gained 36 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417989 2019-10-17 22:57:29 - Bwana gained 36 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384277 2019-10-01 01:03:49 - Bwana gained 29 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384276 019-10-01 01:03:00 - Bwana gained 31 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384274 2019-10-01 01:03:39 - Bwana gained 30 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384273 2019-10-01 01:02:41 - Bwana gained 33 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=18983881 2019-03-31 15:48:02 - Bwana gained 22 points

315 points gifted bwana in 10 games looking in to the 92 game history its pretty clear


the 3 members have played 92 3way games but these 10 are the most clear cut to me , this is unacceptable looks like bwana has won 90 percent of these games . to me this needs to be addressed and as stated above if the 3 join multi player games there opponents need to be advised that all 3 are family ,

its been reported for a reason and all tho multi accounts is not the case here i believe the ten games listed were the two siblings never take a turn in is blatant abuse of scoring system . all site requires is a fair and level playing ground and its clear here bwana is abusing this , can we get explanation on the 10 games listed above this really looks like dads logged on too all 3 set 1 min speeders and ranked up .

all 3 accounts needed to be online at this time to join the games so why the db from the 2 siblings and why 5 one minute games on oct 17 2019 ??? those 5 games all filled with in one minute as we can see from game clock .yet not one turn taken from writergirl15 or fogenth and then again on oct 1st 2019 same thing . 4 1 min speeders opened aprox.. 100 ponits transfer to bwana ...

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM WRITERGIRL15
we have one main computer and take turns taking turns.

how is it then all 3 of u logged into play 5 one minute speeders on more then one occasion ?????

if it is established that he is in fact logging into the 2 other accounts this really does warrant all 3 accounts suspended from site or even a site ban .

its ok to have many accounts in a house hold for sure as long as there used by the person the account was opened by . fog games are another issue all together and feel we should ask this of all families who play on site to avoid multi player fog games for obvious reasons , to see the board on a family members account allows them too see vital information related to the game and is un fair to other members .

zeus111

[zeus111]

i find it very unlikely its even possible for all 3 to get up log in join 5 speed games in one minutes time ,in post above oct 17 games we can see by the games concluding all with in one minute from 22:57':09 to 22:58;11 showing those 5 games were all opened with in one minute from one another one min 2 seconds to be exact . i feel this shows one person operating the three accounts on one computer

if we take writergirl15 s comment one main computer there simply is not enough time for all 3 to use that one computer to log in join 5 one min speed games in the time we can see the 5 games concluded ,and it goes to show the clear point grab by bwana .
also shows why the dbs on the 2 other accounts .its simply not possible for 3 players to use one main computer to play 5 one min speed games at the exact same time

in closing this case was looked into and all the information i can see shows one person operating 3 accounts in these 10 1 min speed games , also in the multi player games were turns are a few seconds apart strongly suggests the same player is taking turns in the 3 accounts . it takes a min or two to sit down read the board and take turn in my opinion .yet in several multi player games turns are 21 to 30 seconds apart . so we are asked to believe that in several cases one member takes a turn then gets up and with in 21 to 30 seconds the new player is taking a turn logging out then logging back in changing seats all in 21 to 30 seconds just not possible ..im satisfied 3 separate members but feel game logs time stamped are clearly showing one player is more then likely taking turns for all 3

[KoolBak]

I want to hear a reply to this from Bwana.

[zeus111]

in the 10 speeders its crystal clear .went a step further and looked into all 92 3 way games well a vast majority of them and turns are taken in most games very fast for one computer in play . here is another game to show what i mean

2019-03-31 15:19:34 - Game has been initialized
2019-03-31 15:19:34 - Fogernth has a score of 909.
2019-03-31 15:19:34 - Bwana has a score of 1706.
2019-03-31 15:19:34 - writergirl15 has a score of 1109.
2019-03-31 15:21:37 - Fogernth received 3 troops for 6 regions
2019-03-31 15:21:58 - Fogernth deployed 3 troops on More Russia
2019-03-31 15:22:00 - Fogernth assaulted Canada from More Russia and conquered it from writergirl15
2019-03-31 15:22:41 - Fogernth ended the turn and got spoils

two mins later bwana takes turn
2019-03-31 15:24:59 - Bwana received 3 troops for 6 regions
2019-03-31 15:25:57 - Bwana deployed 3 troops on USA
2019-03-31 15:26:03 - Bwana assaulted Greenland from USA and conquered it from Fogernth
2019-03-31 15:26:07 - Bwana assaulted Canada from Andy's Mountains and conquered it from Fogernth
2019-03-31 15:26:20 - Bwana assaulted Europe from UK and conquered it from Fogernth
2019-03-31 15:26:34 - Bwana reinforced Sarah Desert with 2 troops from Brazil
2019-03-31 15:26:38 - Bwana ended the turn and got spoils

one min writergirl15 takes turn
2019-03-31 15:27:24 - writergirl15 received 3 troops for 5 regions
2019-03-31 15:27:34 - writergirl15 deployed 3 troops on Russia
2019-03-31 15:27:51 - writergirl15 reinforced Egypt with 2 troops from Conga
2019-03-31 15:27:54 - writergirl15 ended the turn
2019-03-31 15:27:55 - Incrementing game to round 2

2 mins fogenth takes turn
2019-03-31 15:30:46 - Fogernth received 3 troops for 4 regions
2019-03-31 15:30:55 - Fogernth deployed 3 troops on Arabia
2019-03-31 15:31:00 - Fogernth assaulted Egypt from Arabia and conquered it from writergirl15
2019-03-31 15:31:20 - Fogernth ended the turn and got spoils

[Elaterate]

2019-03-31 15:22:41 - Fogernth ended the turn and got spoils

two seconds later bwana takes turn
2019-03-31 15:24:59 - Bwana received 3 troops for 6 regions


Isn't that 2 Min and 18 seconds later?? Plenty of time to give them a chance to log out, switch seats and accounts.

[Elaterate]

Or did my opponent here start his turn in 7/10 of a second?


2019-11-17 17:42:26 - Elaterate ended the turn
2019-11-17 17:42:26 - Incrementing game to round 3
2019-11-17 17:42:33 - ??????? got bonus of 3 troops added to Wenden (castle)

[zeus111]

2019-03-31 15:22:41 - Fogernth ended the turn and got spoils

two seconds later bwana takes turn
2019-03-31 15:24:59 - Bwana received 3 troops for 6 regions


Isn't that 2 Min and 18 seconds later?? Plenty of time to give them a chance to log out, switch seats and accounts.

sorry made an error you are correct ill fix post it is 2 mins not 2 seconds 'looked into so much here thanks for showing me that it kinda does give the time to log off switch out seats ect . 1min on writtergirl15 is cutting it close be will concede that it is possible . that just leaves the 10 1 min speed games . the fact is you pointed out it is possible and i agree they could also have 3 chairs in front of the computer so 1 min 2 min turns could in fact be possible not to probable but is at least possible . not being sarcastic im glad to be wrong here as 3 members kinda hang so to speak .

now if we can address the 315 points were in 10 games the two went db we can put this all behind us . ive been thinking on this hard and sorry just cant see how all 3 could pull off joining 5.. 1.. min speeders each taking a turn to log in join 5 games in one min 2 seconds then not take a turn in those games listed above .let alone playing those 5.. 1 minute games out .

[ConfederateSS]

2019-03-31 15:22:41 - Fogernth ended the turn and got spoils

two seconds later bwana takes turn
2019-03-31 15:24:59 - Bwana received 3 troops for 6 regions


Isn't that 2 Min and 18 seconds later?? Plenty of time to give them a chance to log out, switch seats and accounts.

sorry made an error you are correct ill fix post it is 2 mins not 2 seconds 'looked into so much here thanks for showing me that it kinda does give the time to log off switch out seats ect . 1min on writtergirl15 is cutting it close be will concede that it is possible . that just leaves the 10 1 min speed games . the fact is you pointed out it is possible and i agree they could also have 3 chairs in front of the computer so 1 min 2 min turns could in fact be possible not to probable but is at least possible . not being sarcastic im glad to be wrong here as 3 members kinda hang so to speak .

now if we can address the 315 points were in 10 games the two went db we can put this all behind us . ive been thinking on this hard and sorry just cant see how all 3 could pull off joining 5.. 1.. min speeders each taking a turn to log in join 5 games in one min 2 seconds then noet take a turn in those games listed above .let alone playing those 5.. 1 minute games out .

Looking at the history of their games, something is definitely fishy. Looking at a couple assassin games they appear to work together to get one of them the win, including taking turns 30 seconds apart. Also a lot of speed games with the three of them where two of them deadbeat to gift Bwana the win in 3 rounds.

-----------Why is the time a factor in deadbeating games..all in 3 turns.???..These 15 games in a row.....speed....can't be anything else but deadbeating....If they found out in one game...speed was to fast to play on one computer...game ended in deadbeating...O.k.chalk it up...lesson learned....But 15 games in a row???Come on.. .Game #'s...19384338,19384337,19384336,19384335,19384334,19384311,19384310,19384309,19384308,19384307,19384277,19384276,19384275,19384274,19384273.... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
......As far as The OP's crrriles suspicion in the Iberia Event...I think the 3 of them have played fairly...They just have been playing the game flow of each game...It is not unusual to not break a bonus of one next to you...If someone else is running away with the game...everyone else is doing everything they can to prevent it...LIKE LEAVING A BONUS OF ANOTHER PLAYER ALONE..IF IT HELPS YOU OUT ,IN THE LONG RUN...crrriles...I am waiting how the deadbeating in speed turns out though...YIKES!!!... Doesn't look good...

[zeus111]

if it was a one time thing sure but on 2 separate dates 1 min speeders were opened so by your logic they would have discovered on oct 1st it was not possible .yet 16 days later open 5 at once . the time factor is important to show that all 3 couldnt possibly have sequentially logged on joined games in time . it took 1 min 2 seconds on oct 17th for all 5 speed games to initialize . this also shows abuse on a few levels . deadbeating sure but more shows i feel bwana using the 3 accounts . as for liberia games u are alone in those thoughts . the original poster and a few more feel opposite to u and were in the games ,

315 points transferred to bwana in oct alone this is defiantly manipulating the scoring system as well as ya cant abuse 3 accounts this way . so its not the dead beat s thats the issue i submit he logged on opened 5 one minute speed games and like isay transfered in 2 separate occasions 315 points .

ill leave you with this after oct 1st games as you put it they should have realized 1 min speed games didnt work so why then 2 weeks later open 5 1 minute games . games that in now way possible it was to even play out . the sites game logs clearly show this . perhaps bwana will explain how the three of them intended on playing those 5 one min speeders set up for the 3 ...

[ConfederateSS]

if it was a one time thing sure but on 2 separate dates 1 min speeders were opened so by your logic they would have discovered on oct 1st it was not possible .yet 16 days later open 5 at once . the time factor is important to show that all 3 couldnt possibly have sequentially logged on joined games in time . it took 1 min 2 seconds on oct 17th for all 5 speed games to initialize . this also shows abuse on a few levels . deadbeating sure but more shows i feel bwana using the 3 accounts . as for liberia games u are alone in those thoughts . the original poster and a few more feel opposite to u and were in the games ,

------I was in a lot of games in the event..with them...They just followed the game flow...the ones with me...I was agreeing about the speed...I Don't care about what day or days they were started on...The deadbeating games in question...only Bwana won...no one else did..games ended in 3 turns...DOESN'T LOOK GOOD... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[zeus111]

if it was a one time thing sure but on 2 separate dates 1 min speeders were opened so by your logic they would have discovered on oct 1st it was not possible .yet 16 days later open 5 at once . the time factor is important to show that all 3 couldnt possibly have sequentially logged on joined games in time . it took 1 min 2 seconds on oct 17th for all 5 speed games to initialize . this also shows abuse on a few levels . deadbeating sure but more shows i feel bwana using the 3 accounts . as for liberia games u are alone in those thoughts . the original poster and a few more feel opposite to u and were in the games ,

------I was in a lot of games in the event..with them...They just followed the game flow...the ones with me...I was agreeing about the speed...I Don't care about what day or days they were started on...The deadbeating games in question...only Bwana took a turn...no one else did..games ended in 3 turns...DOESN'T LOOK GOOD... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

there was no time for the others too is the point . 5 games at once is tuff add a one minute time and sharing a computer in that mix i cant see how these games could have been played out . then there is the speed the games filled 1 min 2 second s so were are to assume 3 players logged on and off 2 of them needed to join 5 games each log back in and out all with in one min 2 seconds then did not take a turn in any .

[KoolBak]

Question. If I am using WiFi in my shop, from my single router, and 3 people are using its signal, do those show up as separate whatevers...ip or whatever the magic identifier is? It's one internet access but 3 sep items, like a phone, a pc and a tablet.

And I can attest that it takes 5 seconds to switch users. I have done it.

[Lord Arioch]

When i asked KA about any complications if my son started in on CC he told me to PM him ussername and so on so it could be logged thus avoiding the kind of situation we have here ... Nothing illegal but i can raise questions as above shows.
I belive that if the accused had notified CC it could have been avoided.
And i belive that the esteemed hunter on it will clear em

[iAmCaffeine]

Question. If I am using WiFi in my shop, from my single router, and 3 people are using its signal, do those show up as separate whatevers...ip or whatever the magic identifier is? It's one internet access but 3 sep items, like a phone, a pc and a tablet.

And I can attest that it takes 5 seconds to switch users. I have done it.

You would all share the same IP address. People in the same street can share the same IP, never mind the same building. It can get a lot more complicated than that though.

As for this case, it looks like the three accounts should be blocked from playing together without a doubt. The deadbeating games however look like a potential case of Bwana abusing the situation.

[Mad777]

I thought the IP is from the machine and not the WiFi box? If I play with my iPhone, iPad or PC from the same WiFi at home I’m sure it will show a different IP for each device I use, doesn’t it?

[zeus111]

Question. If I am using WiFi in my shop, from my single router, and 3 people are using its signal, do those show up as separate whatevers...ip or whatever the magic identifier is? It's one internet access but 3 sep items, like a phone, a pc and a tablet.

And I can attest that it takes 5 seconds to switch users. I have done it.

i see where your going with that comment however we know from writergirl they have one main computer and take turns taking turns making it impossible to play out the 5 speed games opened on the 17 oct . if they have to log off then new player log on take turn in 5 games log off then the next player does the same it just isnt possible . it was a point grab from bwana and that is that . oct 1st 16 days before they would have figured this out . this i dont think is a deadbeat case i think its very clear what was done here and the bwana account if not all 3 should get a holiday at least. the games in question are all 1 min speed games

site has few rules being a long time member we should take into account suspend for 30 days and move on , this will pave the way for people to cheat if not addressed

[Evil Semp]

Bwana, Fogernth and writergirl15 have received a WARNING and a BLOCK.

At this time there isn't enough evidence to prove they are multi's. They have received a warning for [take your choice] account sharing/point dumping/point collecting. All these are Major infractions but they will only receive one warning. They also received a block from playing any more games together, that includes team games.

Many of the games are standard games with fog. Playing from the same computer with access to other accounts puts doubt in my mind that you haven't seen the map while the others are playing their turns.

These speed games are some of the reasons for my decision.

Game 19417993
Game 19417992
Game 19417991
Game 19417990
Game 19417989
Game 19384277
Game 19384276
Game 19384275
Game 19384274
Game 19384273

If Bwana played these games without the knowledge of wirtergirl15 or Fogernth a reminder that you are responsible to secure your account.

I want to hear a reply to this from Bwana.

I hope you get a more convincing response than I did.


Evil Semp

[zeus111]

id say thats all good but the 315 points should be stripped . no way these games could have been played out given game settings a clear point grab , points have been reversed in the past for this and should be part of this decision.

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417993 2019-10-17 22:57:42 - Bwana gained 31 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417992 2019-10-17 22:57:46 - Bwana gained 33 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417991 2019-10-17 22:58:11 - Bwana gained 34 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417990 2019-10-17 22:57:09 - Bwana gained 36 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19417989 2019-10-17 22:57:29 - Bwana gained 36 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384277 2019-10-01 01:03:49 - Bwana gained 29 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384276 019-10-01 01:03:00 - Bwana gained 31 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384274 2019-10-01 01:03:39 - Bwana gained 30 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19384273 2019-10-01 01:02:41 - Bwana gained 33 points
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=18983881 2019-03-31 15:48:02 - Bwana gained 22 points



zeus111

[iAmCaffeine]

He'll lose those points quickly enough now anyway.

I thought the IP is from the machine and not the WiFi box? If I play with my iPhone, iPad or PC from the same WiFi at home I’m sure it will show a different IP for each device I use, doesn’t it?

No, they would all be the same IP address unless you took certain measures to ensure they were different.

[iAmCaffeine]

I thought the IP is from the machine and not the WiFi box? If I play with my iPhone, iPad or PC from the same WiFi at home I’m sure it will show a different IP for each device I use, doesn’t it?

No.

[KoolBak]

So I see a tag that says warned.

I see nothing about an actual conclusion.

I've been corresponding with folks....love to hear an actual decision ES, because from what I'm hearing, it is not good.

[Elaterate]

So I see a tag that says warned.

I see nothing about an actual conclusion.

I've been corresponding with folks....love to hear an actual decision ES, because from what I'm hearing, it is not good.

scroll up

[aalii]

It's only a f*****g game folks. There are more important things going on in the world than worrying how many points are won or lost. If those other players have concerns, then put them on your FOE list. Then you won't have to worry about it.

aalii

[zeus111]

So I see a tag that says warned.

I see nothing about an actual conclusion.

I've been corresponding with folks....love to hear an actual decision ES, because from what I'm hearing, it is not good.

decision is stated above out of respect for long term member he was warned and a block to all 3 from playing in future games has been placed . the conclusion is he violated several rules such as manipulating the scoring system or as mod has put it They have received a warning for [take your choice] account sharing/point dumping/point collecting. All these are Major infractions.

the accused logged on set 10 speed games in october and 315 points were obtained ill submit buy logging into 3 accounts setting the games and out right stealing points from his siblings .to put it simply he cheated . now one can argue he wasnt the one who did this it could have been any of the 3 however i followed the points and all went to bwana account so as they say that is that .

the block to all 3 from playing in future games together or as a team was a fair descion a lil lax in my opinion but the accused has been a long time cc club member

zeus111