Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[DoomYoshi]

By cult wagon I mean cult recruiter. Just had a long shift and brain is not making the smarts.

[kwanton]

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Tim DID NOT quote his win condition "word for word". It is not worded "outlast team rocket".

Unvote vote Skittles


Wildboys u with me?

[The Weird One]

Kwan made a good point, here...

He's actually not revealing townies, he's revealing survivors. Tim made the third-party faction clear when he claimed. My guess is wild pokemon are in the game for the express purpose of being XP farms for the aligned factions. They are otherwise unimportant in the mafia vs town dynamic. They won't have targets painted on them unless their actual role is revealed. Just revealing faction is fine (especially because it is a theory from a player and all players have imperfect information)

As grating as your playstyle is, I feel he's onto something. unvote What bothers me is your "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude. If you're just a third party survivor, if someone isn't with you, then they could be either town, scum, or another third party. Making some assumptions about win cons going off of the standard that are seen in most mafia games [survivor just outlasts scum, town must kill all scum and antagonistic third parties, and third parties vary] there's at least a one in three chance that if one is not with you, they aren't against you as you have no bearing on their winning or losing. If you are, in fact, a wild pokemon as things are pointing towards, you're not doing anything to help the town by creating this very polarizing list. Ontop of that, assuming that trainers are cult like in their abilities, who could they recruit? Let's look at the games, anime, and whatever other pokemon media you can find, shall we? Let's see, they can't exactly capture other trainers, and the overwhelming norm is that they can't capture pokemon from other trainers. So, going off of that, it's a simple leap of logic that the trainers in this game can only recruit pokemon that aren't belonging to other trainers. Your "non-scum" list is simply a target list for the cult leaders.

Still not done rereading. Just had to get that out. Shall try to finish rereading and post the rest of my thoughts, soonish.

[madmitch]

@ Legion, sorry after rereading I was wrong about you,I have no idea what is going on now.Dakky's vote on me is nothing new, it is either Tim or me so I find it amusing,I am now not sure of WCG, but for sure I know thatTim and Skittles are wild pokemons and with exiles statement that he doesn't like trainers he must be a pokemon also. TNG statement It was a smart move people, don't give him slack. We have more info to work with, and I don't see how he screwed anyone in his group. Just explained to the rest of the game how one of the roles works. Now we know there can (and presumably will) be multiple deaths in the night. I think it's more information gleamed than on most day ones, and I just don't see the expense to anyone but himself. And as has already been mentioned, if he claimed a pokemon he was not, then there's questionable harm to even himself, just shows he must be a trainer.

[kwanton]

Wait is my playstyle grating? Who are you talking to here?

[Skittles!]

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Tim DID NOT quote his win condition "word for word". It is not worded "outlast team rocket".

Unvote vote Skittles


Wildboys u with me?

Are you absolutely sure of that? Cause I triple checked before making that post to make sure it said that. He paraphrased very closely to what mine looks like.

[BuJaber]

Oooooooh kwanton that post..... I'd love to see what happens now.

Doom -- That is a scary concept, and I hope you're wrong. I trust you now though because of something you said. (Yes I will keep being vague, because you scumsters already got way too much information and I won't buckle under your pressure to reveal more). Anyway doom, I only unvoted MM because better targets came up from my perspective; I'm fine with lynching him, but not now. You have to see that he'll never get enough votes. I'm afraid you'd have to either support skittles & co. or vote for other semi-confirmed trainers like nag, legion and TWO.

Indeed as I have said to Legionairre, there is limited incentive for me to scumhunt strongly. So dont sit about waiting for me to do so.

If you guys stop asking me for information, I will stop with the sarcastic posting. Its very simple.

So the case on wing is partly based on this quote?
TELL ME PLEASE HOW THAT MEANS HE HAS NO INTEREST IN SCUMHUNTING???? How about YOU read it again. He just doesn't want people to rely on him for it, and look towards him like he has some sort of crystal ball. If you think I'm wrong then please attach a phone number of an english teacher with your post so that I can improve my comprehension.

and I'm the one getting accused of skimming.


Skittles and kwanton --- You guys have to make sure you understand each other. Since you both started this you have to finish it properly... ask for an exact confirmation. If skittles is telling the truth it means 4 people are lying. That is very hard to believe, so basically I feel that skittles might be misunderstanding kwanton.

[madmitch]

Kwanton is right !!!

[kwanton]

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Tim DID NOT quote his win condition "word for word". It is not worded "outlast team rocket".

Unvote vote Skittles


Wildboys u with me?

Are you absolutely sure of that? Cause I triple checked before making that post to make sure it said that. He paraphrased very closely to what mine looks like.

It is not "word for word" as you originally said. I'm sure others can back me up on this. Word for word means exactly the same, not a paraphrase.

Changing your phrasing now to "paraphrased very closely" seems like backtracking. Normally I wouldn't jump on something as seemingly minor as phrasing, but I think you're experienced enough to know to be very careful with wording in a mafia game. I don't think you'd have said word for word unless you meant word for word.

[Skittles!]

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Tim DID NOT quote his win condition "word for word". It is not worded "outlast team rocket".

Unvote vote Skittles


Wildboys u with me?

Are you absolutely sure of that? Cause I triple checked before making that post to make sure it said that. He paraphrased very closely to what mine looks like.

It is not "word for word" as you originally said. I'm sure others can back me up on this. Word for word means exactly the same, not a paraphrase.

Changing your phrasing now to "paraphrased very closely" seems like backtracking. Normally I wouldn't jump on something as seemingly minor as phrasing, but I think you're experienced enough to know to be very careful with wording in a mafia game. I don't think you'd have said word for word unless you meant word for word.

Yeah, I fucked up. It says Team Rocket doesn't win, not outlast. My excuse is that I was at work when I posted this and I had tried to think how best to make my argument but I didn't proof read. That's my reasoning, you don't have to believe it though. I don't think it takes away my point about it being suspicious that Wing isn't trying to look for scum, because even if the wording that I said that it was wasn't true, even with your claim it says team rocket doesn't win, which essentially is outlasting them.

But yes I screwed up royally there.

[kwanton]

Well dammit.

Unvote

[TimWoodbury]

kwan i was just bout to unvote and vote till his last post only those who got that message would know the exact color to use

[Serbia]

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Tim DID NOT quote his win condition "word for word". It is not worded "outlast team rocket".

Unvote vote Skittles


Wildboys u with me?

Are you absolutely sure of that? Cause I triple checked before making that post to make sure it said that. He paraphrased very closely to what mine looks like.

It is not "word for word" as you originally said. I'm sure others can back me up on this. Word for word means exactly the same, not a paraphrase.

Changing your phrasing now to "paraphrased very closely" seems like backtracking. Normally I wouldn't jump on something as seemingly minor as phrasing, but I think you're experienced enough to know to be very careful with wording in a mafia game. I don't think you'd have said word for word unless you meant word for word.

Yeah, I fucked up. It says Team Rocket doesn't win, not outlast. My excuse is that I was at work when I posted this and I had tried to think how best to make my argument but I didn't proof read. That's my reasoning, you don't have to believe it though. I don't think it takes away my point about it being suspicious that Wing isn't trying to look for scum, because even if the wording that I said that it was wasn't true, even with your claim it says team rocket doesn't win, which essentially is outlasting them.

But yes I screwed up royally there.

I can confirm this. The rest of what Skittles wrote matched up with what I know to be true and with what Tim claimed. It seems to me that there are a shit ton of 3rd party players. Can wild pokemon be claimed? Are there any pokemon that are starting out as "town"? We know there are trainers, the question now being if any of them are town, or if they are all scum. I understand why claiming a trainer is suicidal, and I know there are others who will understand what I mean by that. And if you understand, this also explains why I didn't feel it absolutely necessary to lynch a trainer Day 1.

At this point in the game we're definitely affecting the mechanics, or so it would seem, through everyone claiming this or that. I'm being intentionally vague with what I'm saying, but should be obvious to those who know what I'm talking about.

I'm going to have to go through and create a list of who's who. mitch is still suspicious to me with his "kwanton is right !!!" post, because that's meaningless and doesn't prove anything. Is mitch just less skillful with words, and that's the best we'll get out of him? Or is he trying to latch on to yet another wagon? So far I think a case could be made either way on him.

kwan i was just bout to unvote and vote till his last post only those who got that message would know the exact color to use

This is where you need to learn subtlety. It wasn't necessary for you to point out the color - those who know, know.

[kwanton]

Not necessarily regarding the color. Scum likely would have also had their roles in that color in their PM's.

But either skittles is telling the truth or he had a really lucky guess with the wording.

[HotShot53]

kwan i was just bout to unvote and vote till his last post only those who got that message would know the exact color to use

I had started to make a post voting him also an hour ago... got distracted, came back, and had to delete it all lol. In any case, I will Unvote kwanton, now that he is participating and seemingly town.

I would say wild pokemon are more like town than like third party, as they do have to kill the scum to win, they can't win with either side. Unfortunately, we also have to survive, which makes town a bit more selfish and not as cooperative as normal games.

I dislike how legionnare is against the "obvious town team" started by wing, based only on skittle's questioning of doom's post. I think doom was just saying what I did, that the condition is more like a town win condition than a 3rd party one, not that his win condition said something different. Legionnare seems to be clutching at straws to create more questions and break up the group, so I will vote legionnare

[The Weird One]

Wing you said Anark ,Doom and Bujaber are not scum with you that is 4 ,How many are there usually on Team Rocket

First Welcome Aage, I usually trust Wings judgement so vote TWO

This....These are a few posts apart. This seems as good as anything else, at the moment. I'll settle for an FOS, right now, but this just raises all kinds of flags, to me.



On several unrelated notes:

As for TWO, I'm not sure if he's clueless scum or if he just missed the important peice. While I certainly FOS him, my vote is still on Serbia for now. I would like to see him respond though.

You seem to be rolling with the "either you're third party survivor or you're scum" rather smoothly...And as with any game I've been in, whatever my alignment is makes no difference to my being clueless. You should know this, by now.





Regarding Ragian:

Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu?

Please, for the love of all that may or may not be holy, don't ask this question....just give us your thoughts. If we didn't want one player's thoughts on another player, why would we be reading the bloody thread?

You aren't reading the bloody thread, mate. But no sweats. I'll repeat what I've said twice now: My thoughts on Marashu ARE put out there. I did so before asking [if] anyone cares for them. It was not a question asking if anyone would care if I posted my thoughts on Marashu. I already had and was asking if anyone cared for them. I understand the confusion, but it had already been cleared up. Half of my thoughts correspond to your own thoughts.

I misunderstood your post, was all. Your phrasing came off as asking if we wanted your opinions, not as asking our thoughts on your opinions. Thank you for clarifying. I interpreted it as you having additional thoughts that you were withholding until someone said that they were interested. I was a wee bit overly antagonistic, there, to be fair...




Regarding previous point on kwan: Well, damnit, man! You've stopped submarining. Who are you, and what have you done with the real Kwanton!?!





I think that that covers things...In the process of moving, and will have to start a fourish hour drive, soon...and then drive back...so my activity's gonna be a wee bit slim, this weekend...Not that I've been a parogon of good posting habits, of late...I'll try to get a solid enough opinion to throw a vote back in the ring, sometime tomorrow...hopefully.

[kwanton]

Ontop of that, assuming that trainers are cult like in their abilities, who could they recruit? Let's look at the games, anime, and whatever other pokemon media you can find, shall we? Let's see, they can't exactly capture other trainers, and the overwhelming norm is that they can't capture pokemon from other trainers. So, going off of that, it's a simple leap of logic that the trainers in this game can only recruit pokemon that aren't belonging to other trainers. Your "non-scum" list is simply a target list for the cult leaders.

That's actually a really good point. We don't know for sure that trainers are recruiters, but it would make a lot of sense. Don't put me on no lists. I don't want to have to battle for some trainer.

[Minister Masket]

Ontop of that, assuming that trainers are cult like in their abilities, who could they recruit? Let's look at the games, anime, and whatever other pokemon media you can find, shall we? Let's see, they can't exactly capture other trainers, and the overwhelming norm is that they can't capture pokemon from other trainers. So, going off of that, it's a simple leap of logic that the trainers in this game can only recruit pokemon that aren't belonging to other trainers. Your "non-scum" list is simply a target list for the cult leaders.

That's actually a really good point. We don't know for sure that trainers are recruiters, but it would make a lot of sense. Don't put me on no lists. I don't want to have to battle for some trainer.

It's funny you should say that. As a trainer (apparently) I'm planning to catch all those who voted for me as such and force them to fight for their new trainer. Now that's dramatic irony.

Alright, let's do some maths here. (That's math if you're American, and fat).

26 players.
3 Town Trainers (Ash/Misty/Brock) OR 1 Town Trainer (Red) if game is based on Anime or Game respectively. I'm leaning more towards the latter because of how Mandy wrote the opening, and perhaps having three town trainers would be slightly OP.
3 Town Pokemon (Pikachu/Staryu/Geodude) OR just Pikachu.
1 Rival (Gary Oak) - He has to be here. There's always a rival in Pokemon, and it fits Mandy's setup page..
1 Rival Pokemon (Eevee I guess?)
2 Scum (Team Rocket)
1 Scum Pokemon (Meowth)

So if we go down the 'Game' route, that's 7 non-wild roles. I'm gonna toss Giovanni in there to make up the scum numbers which makes 8.
So around 18 Wild Pokemon up for grabs if this is right - and it might not be. This is pure speculating on my part.

So my question now is if Wing's list and this reasoning is accurate, why has he only named 5 or 6 players? Where are the other dozen?
Role power limitation, or something more suspicious? Hmm.

[madmitch]

[quote="Skittles!"]Also, I am not going to reveal what Pokemon I actually am because I do not want the types that I am weak against to target me. Even if that is the case, I will be defending myself during the night in order to continue being helpful for the town and trying to pinpoint who is the mafia.
Also, you get no exp points that Night. Are sure you just want to defend ? So I know 3 WILD POKEMONS now I will not be a lone

[Metsfanmax]

Can we get a mod statement on whether any of these people quoting details from their role PMs will be punished in any way?

[kwanton]

Can we get a mod statement on whether any of these people quoting details from their role PMs will be punished in any way?

Mandy said he does not particularly care about quoting roles. It's in the first post.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Add Skittles and Kwanton on to my list.

I am only adding those who are capable of adding something without aid or show transparent understanding.

This game is supposed to be played by isolated players. I object.

@Legionairre. Dont try and shrink my ego, whether I am helpful or not, I have become central to this game.

And throw your safety post in the bin. I wont be unhappy if you are nightkilled.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mitch is definitely not on my list

[Serbia]

Can we get a mod statement on whether any of these people quoting details from their role PMs will be punished in any way?

Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games

While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

I do this because I'm frankly to lazy to investigate every post searching for possible quotes. Also, given how long roles were in this game, randomizing the wording in each one would have been a chore. Finally, in the olden days of NJO, many people (myself included) were obsessed with the attempting to play the Mod and not the game, so when I modded I did my best to anticipate all the ways in which I would try to exploit the game mechanics if I were a player.

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try.

Stop skimming.

[DoomYoshi]

So Masket is Red, needs to kill Giovanni?

f*ck it, unvote vote mitch