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Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Military

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:31 am
by Night Strike
The Department of Justice is ignoring a new law aimed at protecting the right of American soldiers to vote, according to two former DOJ attorneys who say states are being encouraged to use waivers to bypass the new federal Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act.

The MOVE Act, enacted last October, ensures that servicemen and women serving overseas have ample time to get in their absentee ballots. The result of the DOJ's alleged inaction in enforcing the act, say Eric Eversole and J. Christian Adams — both former litigation attorneys for the DOJ’s Voting Section — could be that thousands of soldiers' ballots will arrive too late to be counted.

"It is an absolute shame that the section appears to be spending more time finding ways to avoid the MOVE Act, rather than finding ways to ensure that military voters will have their votes counted," said Eversole, director of the Military Voter Protection Project, a new organization devoted to ensuring military voting rights. "The Voting Section seems to have forgotten that it has an obligation to enforce federal law, not to find and raise arguments for states to avoid these laws."

Adams, a conservative blogger (http://www.electionlawcenter.com) who gained national attention when he testified against his former employer after it dropped its case against the New Black Panther Party, called the DOJ’s handling of the MOVE Act akin to “keystone cops enforcement.”

“I do know that they have adopted positions or attempted to adopt positions to waivers that prove they aren’t interested in aggressively enforcing the law,” Adams told FoxNews.com. “They shouldn’t be going to meeting with state election officials and telling them they don’t like to litigate cases and telling them that the waiver requirements are ambiguous.”

The MOVE act requires states to send absentee ballots to overseas military troops 45 days before an election, but a state can apply for a waiver if it can prove a specific "undue hardship" in enforcing it.

Sen. John Cornyn,R-Texas – who co-sponsored MOVE – wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on July 26 saying he is concerned that the Department of Justice is allowing states to opt out of the new law. Click here to read the letter.

“Military voters have been disenfranchised for decades, and last year Congress acted," Cornyn said in a statement to FoxNews.com. "But according to recent information, the Department of Justice has expressed reluctance to protect the civil rights of military voters under the new law. All our men and women in uniform deserve a chance to vote this November, and the Obama administration bears responsibility for ensuring that they have it.

“For far too long in this country, we have failed to adequately protect the right of our troops and their families to participate in our democratic process. The MOVE Act was supposed to end this sad history. The right to participate in democratic elections is fundamental to the American experience.”

In his letter to Holder, Cornyn cites minutes from the 2010 winter meeting of the National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS), during which Rebecca Wertz, deputy chief of the DOJ's voting section, told state election officials that the legislative language regarding waivers is not completely clear. Wertz described the provisions of the law as “fairly general” and “somewhat of an open question as to what type of information” a state needs to submit in order to for their waiver application to be granted. She said it was also unclear whether waivers are for one election only, or if they apply to future elections.

According to the meeting's minutes, obtained by FoxNews.com, Wertz also said “that the DOJ is working to find effective ways to disseminate any information guidance that can help states with different questions about MOVE interpretation. She invited questions and dialogue from states, and said that litigation is always the last resort.”

Cornyn wrote, “If these are the positions of the DOJ, then they fly in the face of the clear statutory language, undermine the provisions in question, and jeopardize the voting rights of our men and women in uniform.”

He said the language of the law makes it clear that there is no ambiguity when it comes to states' eligibility for being granted a waiver, and that the statute does not leave room for the Justice Department to decide whether to enforce its requirements.

“If a state is not in compliance with the statute, there is little room for “dialogue” or negotiation, and the Voting Section should take immediate steps to enforce the law and safeguard military and overseas voting rights, including pursuing litigation whenever necessary,” Cornyn wrote. “The comments by the DOJ official, as reported in the NASS minutes, appear to ignore Congress’ clear legislative language and could facilitate the disenfranchisement of our men and women in uniform.”

Cornyn, who discussed Eversole’s allegations at a meeting with Defense Department officials last week, called for Holder to immediately provide guidelines to state election officials; to ensure that states are required to abide by the law; and to provide Cornyn himself with a state-by-state breakdown of which states have already applied for waivers and which are expected to be in noncompliance with MOVE in the November midterm election. He also called for full transparency in the waiver process.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division, Xochitl Hinojosa, declined to comment, other than to say Cornyn’s letter is being reviewed.

FoxNews.com obtained waiver applications submitted by Washington and Hawaii.

Defense Department spokeswoman April Cunningham told FoxNews.com that New York, Delaware, Maryland, Alaska and Virgin Islands had also applied for waivers. (Cornyn's co-sponsor for the MOVE Act was New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat.)

“The voting section has taken this haphazard approach to enforcing military voting law,” said Eversole. “The voting section is asserting itself into statute to make a statute that’s not ambiguous, ambiguous. Can you imagine any other agency giving prospective defendants advice like this?”

“Everybody in Washington knows it doesn’t matter how good the law is; it comes down to who’s enforcing it,” said Adams. “This stuff should be transparent and online for the citizens of these states to comment on, the fact that it's being done behind closed doors tells you everything you need to know about how it will affect the voters.”

Adams and Eversole separately pointed out that the DOJ’s website lacks any mention of the MOVE Act. In fact, the section on military voting includes the outdated and nonbinding 30-day recommendation for sending out ballots. There is no mention of the the current 45-day mandate.

But the DOJ's online voting section includes a detailed section devoted to helping felons learn how get their voting rights back.

“It is just offensive to most Americans that we can send soldiers to the front lines but they can't vote,” said Eversole. “This is an issue that tugs at the heartstrings of America and people can’t understand why we can’t get that right. This is something we have to get right. We should be fighting as hard for their rights as they’re fighting for ours.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/28/exclusive-doj-stalls-voter-registration-law-military/

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:17 am
by PLAYER57832
Saw this on the third page. Not sure why it was missed, except that there was a huge rash of "bumps" recently, pushing just about everything back many pages.

DEFINITELY a serious issue.
I can think of few things as disgusting as asking someone to serve and then not doing everything possible to allow them to vote!

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:29 am
by Night Strike
PLAYER57832 wrote:Saw this on the third page. Not sure why it was missed, except that there was a huge rash of "bumps" recently, pushing just about everything back many pages.


This was one of the 3 threads I posted in a row, and since most of the focus was on the homosexuality thread, this one got missed.

I haven't heard any follow up on this since I posted it.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:39 am
by King Doctor
To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.

Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:41 am
by Woodruff
King Doctor wrote:To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.
Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.


Actually, you have it almost backward. The military itself is largely considered to be a conservative voting block, despite the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:45 am
by King Doctor
Woodruff wrote:the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


So you concede that this racist systemic failure disproportionately disadvantages minority voters?

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:07 am
by Woodruff
King Doctor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


So you concede that this racist systemic failure disproportionately disadvantages minority voters?


I concede that you want to look at the situation in a manner that is thoroughly absent from the issue itself, most probably in an effort to actually detract from intelligent discussion of that situation.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:21 am
by King Doctor
Woodruff wrote:I concede that you want to look at the situation in a manner that is thoroughly absent from the issue itself, most probably in an effort to actually detract from intelligent discussion of that situation.


Why must you continually attempt to drag sensible debating threads down to the level of petty aspersion casting and personal insults?

Honestly, the moment the discussion takes a turn that you don't like, you crack out a half-dozen unpleasant remarks and begin throwing them around the thread like a toddler having a tantrum in a mud-pool. It's ridiculous Woodruff, I am sick and tired of listening to you flip out and try to soil another thread with one of your passive-aggresive screaming sessions.

If you can't engage in civil debate with the rest of the grown-ups, then take your toys and play somewhere else. Nobody is interested in watching you moan and snipe at everyone you don't agree with until they abandon the topic in frustration.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:26 am
by Night Strike
King Doctor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:I concede that you want to look at the situation in a manner that is thoroughly absent from the issue itself, most probably in an effort to actually detract from intelligent discussion of that situation.


Why must you continually attempt to drag sensible debating threads down to the level of petty aspersion casting and personal insults?

Honestly, the moment the discussion takes a turn that you don't like, you crack out a half-dozen unpleasant remarks and begin throwing them around the thread like a toddler having a tantrum in a mud-pool. It's ridiculous Woodruff, I am sick and tired of listening to you flip out and try to soil another thread with one of your passive-aggresive screaming sessions.

If you can't engage in civil debate with the rest of the grown-ups, then take your toys and play somewhere else. Nobody is interested in watching you moan and snipe at everyone you don't agree with until they abandon the topic in frustration.


You took the "discussion" on a turn that was so out in left field that anyone who knows anything about US military politics knows that your post was full of complete ineptitude (or just continued race-baiting).

Woodruff wrote:Actually, you have it almost backward. The military itself is largely considered to be a conservative voting block, despite the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


I'm pretty sure the military has been known as conservative-leaning ever since the harsh treatment of Vietnam Veterans by radical protesters, who ended up lining themselves up with the Democratic party.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:32 am
by King Doctor
Night Strike wrote:You took the "discussion" on a turn that was so out in left field that anyone who knows anything about US military politics knows that your post was full of complete ineptitude (or just continued race-baiting).


...and now Night Strike seems to think that insults are the only way forward. Odd how the noise always seems to come from the shallow end of the pool.

Way to go with the whole 'denying the contribution immigrants and non-whites make to protecting your freedom' thing dude. The fact that you are denying that this systemic failure disproportionately affects blacks/non-whites is precisely the kind of white-wash 'opression by ignorance' that makes anybody who isn't a monstrous racist sick.


Night Strike wrote:I'm pretty sure the military has been known as conservative-leaning ever since the harsh treatment of Vietnam Veterans by radical protesters


Oh yeah, I remember. Didn't those protestors shoot at them or something?


Oh, hang on a second, actually that was the other way around. Funny how the facts always seem to have a liberal bias, isn't it?

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:32 am
by jimboston
Woodruff wrote:
King Doctor wrote:To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.
Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.


Actually, you have it almost backward. The military itself is largely considered to be a conservative voting block, despite the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


Let's assume it is BOTH racist and politically motivated.

It still wouldn't be perpetrated by the Republicans, because (as Woody points out) the Military tends to vote for Republicans.

So this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:35 am
by King Doctor
jimboston wrote:this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.


Given that the systemic failure originates from Republican governance, that seems amusingly unlikely.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:46 am
by thegreekdog
King Doctor wrote:
jimboston wrote:this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.


Given that the systemic failure originates from Republican governance, that seems amusingly unlikely.


Where's the Republican governance here? I don't see it. It looks like the current administration's Justice Department is circumventing a particular law because it's inconvenient to enforce that particular law.

I also don't see any racial motivations.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:05 am
by Night Strike
King Doctor wrote:
jimboston wrote:this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.


Given that the systemic failure originates from Republican governance, that seems amusingly unlikely.


Defense Department spokeswoman April Cunningham told FoxNews.com that New York, Delaware, Maryland, Alaska and Virgin Islands had also applied for waivers. (Cornyn's co-sponsor for the MOVE Act was New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat.)


New York: David Paterson (Democrat)
Delaware: Jack Markell (Democrat)
Maryland: Martin O'Malley (Democrat)
Alaska: Sean Parnell (Republican)
Virgin Islands: Rudolph R Maduro (Democrat, no electoral votes)

4 of the 5 waiver requests came from states with a Democratic governor to a Department of Justice that is controlled by the Democratic party.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:31 pm
by PLAYER57832
thegreekdog wrote:
King Doctor wrote:
jimboston wrote:this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.


Given that the systemic failure originates from Republican governance, that seems amusingly unlikely.


Where's the Republican governance here? I don't see it. It looks like the current administration's Justice Department is circumventing a particular law because it's inconvenient to enforce that particular law.

I also don't see any racial motivations.

WAIT greekdog.. this issue LONG predates the current administration! I heard about this during the last election, in fact. And one of the criticisms was that most of these guys would not be voting for Obama.

At any rate, it should have been fixed a long time ago. I know some things were done, but apparently nowhere near enough.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:08 pm
by Night Strike
PLAYER57832 wrote:WAIT greekdog.. this issue LONG predates the current administration! I heard about this during the last election, in fact. And one of the criticisms was that most of these guys would not be voting for Obama.

At any rate, it should have been fixed a long time ago. I know some things were done, but apparently nowhere near enough.


There may have been issues during the 2008 election (and there probably were), but this article is specifically about how the administration isn't carrying out a law that they signed in 2009.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:07 pm
by PLAYER57832
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:WAIT greekdog.. this issue LONG predates the current administration! I heard about this during the last election, in fact. And one of the criticisms was that most of these guys would not be voting for Obama.

At any rate, it should have been fixed a long time ago. I know some things were done, but apparently nowhere near enough.


There may have been issues during the 2008 election (and there probably were), but this article is specifically about how the administration isn't carrying out a law that they signed in 2009.
I misread it. Big fail for Obama, then.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:08 pm
by Woodruff
King Doctor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:I concede that you want to look at the situation in a manner that is thoroughly absent from the issue itself, most probably in an effort to actually detract from intelligent discussion of that situation.


Why must you continually attempt to drag sensible debating threads down to the level of petty aspersion casting and personal insults?

Honestly, the moment the discussion takes a turn that you don't like, you crack out a half-dozen unpleasant remarks and begin throwing them around the thread like a toddler having a tantrum in a mud-pool. It's ridiculous Woodruff, I am sick and tired of listening to you flip out and try to soil another thread with one of your passive-aggresive screaming sessions.

If you can't engage in civil debate with the rest of the grown-ups, then take your toys and play somewhere else. Nobody is interested in watching you moan and snipe at everyone you don't agree with until they abandon the topic in frustration.


You are free to report my posts if you feel they are that out of line. I suggest you use that option, particularly since I feel confident you're the only one that believes I have done as you suggest.

King Doctor wrote:
jimboston wrote:this then must be a case of the Dems/Libs acting in a racist manner and showing their true colors.


Given that the systemic failure originates from Republican governance, that seems amusingly unlikely.


You believe that the current Department of Justice is run by Republicans?

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:29 pm
by PLAYER57832
King Doctor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


So you concede that this racist systemic failure disproportionately disadvantages minority voters?

With all respect, racism is the least of any issues here. This is one issue NOT driven by racism.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:44 pm
by HapSmo19
PLAYER57832 wrote:
King Doctor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:the large number of minorities in the military. So it's really not racist, but it's certainly politically-motivated, and definitely a travesty.


So you concede that this racist systemic failure disproportionately disadvantages minority voters?

With all respect, racism is the least of any issues here. This is one issue NOT driven by racism.


Wow. I'm actually with player on this one. And a big thanks to her for making her point in two short sentences....

The problem here lies with military standards. In other words, most people in the military have at least one.
This is in direct conflict with the Demoscat/Future Mass Murderers Party.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:52 pm
by ViperOverLord
King Doctor wrote:To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.

Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.


You can't be that f'ing ignorant? The DOJ is Obama's org. Military members are predominantly Republican and Dems and Obama are taking away their votes for partisan purposes. This reality does not have one damn thing to do with race and yet you shamelessly brought it up.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:31 pm
by HapSmo19
ViperOverLord wrote:
King Doctor wrote:To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.

Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.


You can't be that f'ing ignorant? The DOJ is Obama's org. Military members are predominantly Republican and Dems and Obama are taking away their votes for partisan purposes. This reality does not have one damn thing to do with race and yet you shamelessly brought it up.


I thought he was just being sarcastic at first but,.......kookoo! kookoo!

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:36 am
by Iliad
HapSmo19 wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
King Doctor wrote:To fail to provide voting rights for members of the serving military is a racist outrage. Given the disproportionate numbers of black men/women that serve in the armed forces of the USA, denying them a vote is slanting politics significantly in favour of the white demographic of the USA. It is yet another example of an issue that would be front-page news if it was happening to white people, but which because its impact is most strongly felt by the black community is being pushed to one side.

Indeed, it would not surprise me if this apparent 'failing' was actually a carefully calculated move made by the outgoing Republican administration, given their distinctly racially slanted supporter base. Cut off the black vote, get yourselves re-elected by a whisker.


You can't be that f'ing ignorant? The DOJ is Obama's org. Military members are predominantly Republican and Dems and Obama are taking away their votes for partisan purposes. This reality does not have one damn thing to do with race and yet you shamelessly brought it up.


I thought he was just being sarcastic at first but,.......kookoo! kookoo!

Speaking of crazy;
HapSmo19 wrote:This is in direct conflict with the Demoscat/Future Mass Murderers Party.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:21 am
by King Doctor
I'm just amazed that so many people are desperately trying to turn a blind eye to the inherent racism of these measures. Only Woodruff seems to vaguely get it.

Seriously, I have to question the motives and mindset of anyone who would deliberatley turn a blind eye to it. You'd have to be a racist not to see it.

Re: Department of Justice Fails to Ensure Voting for Militar

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:52 am
by Night Strike
King Doctor wrote:I'm just amazed that so many people are desperately trying to turn a blind eye to the inherent racism of these measures. Only Woodruff seems to vaguely get it.

Seriously, I have to question the motives and mindset of anyone who would deliberatley turn a blind eye to it. You'd have to be a racist not to see it.


So because there are 18% of blacks in active service yet they're only 12% of the national population, this policy of denying votes to the military is racist? That's an awfully weak claim. Especially when you look at the same stats that say all minorities make up 25% of the active military, which is virtually identical to the national percentage of minorities. Maybe it's the racist one who must see racism in every single policy or inaction of the government. This is about the disenfranchising of a group of individuals to vote when they are the individuals who serve to protect that very right.

Sources:
http://www.slideshare.net/pastinson/us-military-active-duty-demographic-profile-presentation (Slide 5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States