Conquer Club

Gentle Friends,

There is another thread in GD that is in the process of listing the top ten CC members in regards to simple number of unique opponents defeated.

This is a fine thread, but it only tells half the story. Any unintelligent and unskilled player will develop a large number of unique defeated opponents, simply by playing a large number of games.

Similarly, some very skilled and intelligent players may not have played as many games yet, and so the bare number of unique opponents defeated holds absolutely no relevance to such a player's actual skill in the game. What if the most skilled player of all has only played a handful of games, for example? No -- merely counting the number of unique opponents says absolutely nothing about a member's actual skill level in the game.

I broke out my calculator and revised the list in the other thread to show each player's ACTUAL game skill statistics. This version tells the whole story, whereas the other thread only tells half the story.

Each member from the other list is ranked here according to Unique Opponents Defeated per Game Finished (uod/gf).

For clarity, because a certain individual on the other thread has displayed an unfortunate ignorance of simple mathematics, the relevant statistic "uod/gf" is presented here for each member on the list as both a raw number and a percentage. (50% = 0.50; 100% = 1.00; 200% = 2.00, etc).

In layman's terms, the final number means that the member listed (member GoVegan, for example) has defeated an average of 0.71 unique opponents per game finished. For member TheBro, for example, he has defeated 1.10 unique members per game completed.

Here is the UPDATED official list of ACTUAL Game Skill Statistics, as it stands at this moment:

1. KLOBBER – 2104 uod/1214 gf
173% (1.73) uod/gf

2. Blitzaholic – 6092 uod/4991 gf
122% (1.28) uod/gf

3. TheBro – 1654 uod/1498 gf
110% (1.10) uod/gf

4. JOHNNYROCKET24 – 8937/9917
90% (0.90) uod/gf

5. GoVegan – 1501 uod/2126 gf
71% (0.71) uod/gf

6. clapper011 – 5866 uod/9347 gf
63% (0.63) uod/gf

7. Paradice City 9 – 3907 uod/7507 gf
52% (0.52) uod/gf

8. Timminz – 1389 uod/2855 gf
49% (0.49) uod/gf

9. Jpliberty – 2135 uod/4451 gf
48% (0.48) uod/gf

10. hwhrhett – 1362 uod/3567 gf
38% (0.38) uod/gf

I'm delighted to see that I am by far the highest ranked member on the site (so far), as regards ACTUAL Skill Level, and I would like to thank my kind friends at the other thread for providing the statistics by which these facts have been calculated. I will keep this list updated according to any new entries on the other list.

I hope you all have a wonderful day!

actually, i think this statistic is uninteresting, since it only lists unique opponents, whereas the ones you beat twice arent included, therefore giving you a big advantage since you rarely play anyone twice.
if you wanted to use a statistic that includes all opponents beaten, you might as well use the kill ratio that map rank offers.

Hey KLOBBER, no problem with your list or the math you've done, however I think you shouldn't refer to it as ACTUAL SKILL rather to " REAL UNIQUE OPPONENTS DEFEATED," with teh "REAL" implying that you've factored in games played.

Is this guy for real? Who cares how many "unique opponents" you beat per game if they are all new recruits? Yea, nice measure of your skill...

Just do us all a favor and put the calculator down...you are just embarassing yourself.

Oh no, Klobber is the new JR24!!!!!


Making lists in the forum that toot his own horn.

daydream wrote:actually, i think this statistic is uninteresting, since it only lists unique opponents, whereas the ones you beat twice arent included, therefore giving you a big advantage since you rarely play anyone twice.
if you wanted to use a statistic that includes all opponents beaten, you might as well use the kill ratio that map rank offers.

Gentle friend, thank you so much for your above opinion. However, it was not my idea to start the ball rolling on Unique Opponents Defeated; that is the statistic given in the other thread. I merely made it more relevant by including the number of games finished for each applicant.

I would like to point out that you are interested enough in these statistics to be the first respondent in this thread.

I hope you have a truly wonderful day, friend!

jac99 192 opponents in 71 ganmes

KLOBBER wrote:

daydream wrote:actually, i think this statistic is uninteresting, since it only lists unique opponents, whereas the ones you beat twice arent included, therefore giving you a big advantage since you rarely play anyone twice.
if you wanted to use a statistic that includes all opponents beaten, you might as well use the kill ratio that map rank offers.

Gentle friend, thank you so much for your above opinion. However, it was not my idea to start the ball rolling on Unique Opponents Defeated; that is the statistic given in the other thread. I merely made it more relevant by including the number of games finished for each applicant.

yet you were the one postulating that this statistic shows actual game skill...

General Mojo wrote:Is this guy for real? Who cares how many "unique opponents" you beat per game if they are all new recruits? Yea, nice measure of your skill...

Just do us all a favor and put the calculator down...you are just embarassing yourself.

Sir, if you have any proof that I have never played anyone but a new recruit, I would appreciate it if you would present it here.

Until you can do so, your words are definitely worthless in this regard by dint of being spiteful and untrue.

Have a wonderful day!

Thai robert 416 opponents in 165 games

daydream wrote:

KLOBBER wrote:

daydream wrote:actually, i think this statistic is uninteresting, since it only lists unique opponents, whereas the ones you beat twice arent included, therefore giving you a big advantage since you rarely play anyone twice.
if you wanted to use a statistic that includes all opponents beaten, you might as well use the kill ratio that map rank offers.

Gentle friend, thank you so much for your above opinion. However, it was not my idea to start the ball rolling on Unique Opponents Defeated; that is the statistic given in the other thread. I merely made it more relevant by including the number of games finished for each applicant.

yet you were the one postulating that this statistic shows actual game skill...

It does.

Night Strike wrote:Oh no, Klobber is the new JR24!!!!!


Making lists in the forum that toot his own horn.

I have no idea who you are referring to, Sir, but I am not "tooting" anyone's "horn." I have simply improved on a list that told half the truth, by making the necessary statistical adjustment for it to tell the whole truth.

I hope you have a truly glorious day!

That list is highly flawed. As i'm sure you know .

A couple of the more obvious flaws.
-If team A beat team B in a quads game, that would count as 4 unique defeats per win. I.e. in your list, someone who was a mediocre quads player, but only played quads would expect to have a 200% rating. Easily taking the top position while only winning an average amount of games.

-This list doesn't take into consideration the skill level of the opponents who these obviously leet players played to get such amazing percentages. I can see from your ratings KLOBBER, that you rate most if not of your opponents with 5's. You must be an exceptional player to win games as consistently as you do against such stiff competition.

Instead of "actual game skill statistic", i recommend that you just do this the JR way and rename this thread " KLOBBER'S TOP 10". If you need some guidance on how "TOP 10" threads work, just ask JR.

btw, out of curiousity, how many times per thread do you have to click "display post". I know for sure that you'll have to click it to read this one.

mhennigan 509 Unique Defeats 262 games

Hehe..i'm the lowest rank on there.
Not too sure if that's a good thing.

How you can possibly use number of opponents beaten as a measure of skill level without taking into consideration the skill level of the opponents is beyond me.

By your logic the Harlem Globetrotters were more skilled than any of the Chicago Bulls teams in the 90s....

poo-maker wrote:That list is highly flawed. As i'm sure you know .

A couple of the more obvious flaws.
-If team A beat team B in a quads game, that would count as 4 unique defeats per win. I.e. in your list, someone who was a mediocre quads player, but only played quads would expect to have a 200% rating. Easily taking the top position while only winning an average amount of games.

-This list doesn't take into consideration the skill level of the opponents who these obviously leet players played to get such amazing percentages. I can see from your ratings KLOBBER, that you rate most if not of your opponents with 5's. You must be an exceptional player to win games as consistently as you do against such stiff competition.

Instead of "actual game skill statistic", i recommend that you just do this the JR way and rename this thread " KLOBBER'S TOP 10". If you need some guidance on how "TOP 10" threads work, just ask JR.

btw, out of curiousity, how many times per thread do you have to click "display post". I know for sure that you'll have to click it to read this one.

The list has absolutely no flaws, kind and gentle friend.

Thanks for your opinion, though, and you have a wonderful day!

You've ignored the deadbeat factor. Maybe that is a soon to be statistic?
Top 10 players who have reaped the most deadbeats.

Prevailing over deadbeats isn't exactly a competitive skill that exhibits any ability,
and a unique defeats list should exclude deadbeats who didn't actually compete.

General Mojo wrote:How you can possibly use number of opponents beaten as a measure of skill level without taking into consideration the skill level of the opponents is beyond me.

By your logic the Harlem Globetrotters were more skilled than any of the Chicago Bulls teams in the 90s....

How do you mean?

gentle klobber, i was wondering how you thought about this. perhaps an important statistic, alongside the number of unique opponents beaten, would be the average rank of unique opponents also be helpful in determining one's true skill level? that is, if a person defeats, say, 50 unique people with an average of, say 1500 points, couldn't you argue that he/she is likely more skilled than a person who beats 60 unique opponents with an average of, say 600 points, even though he (or she!) has beaten fewer unique opponents/ i eagerly await your reply, your opinion is truly valuable to me!

So Gentle kind benevolent friend do you plan on updating the list to reflect the kind gentle friends that have kindly and gently taken the number one spot from you?

Thank science most people aren't as fake as you appear online

kiron 523 Unique Defeats 260 games

Haha Killmanic you are craking me up!!!

Keep that up and Klobber won't even be in the top 10!

Gentle Friends,

Here is the UPDATED official list of ACTUAL Game Skill Statistics, based on the list in the other thread, as it stands at this time:

1. KLOBBER – 2104 uod/1214 gf
173% (1.73) uod/gf

2. Blitzaholic – 6092 ud/4991 gf
122% (1.28) uod/gf

3. TheBro – 1654 ud/1498 gf
110% (1.10) uod/gf

4. JOHNNYROCKET24 – 8937 ud/9917 gf
90% (0.90) uod/gf

5. GoVegan – 1501 ud/2126 gf
71% (0.71) uod/gf

6. Paradice City 9 – 3907 ud/7507 gf
52% (0.52) uod/gf

7. Timminz – 1389 ud/2855 gf
49% (0.49) uod/gf

8. Jpliberty – 2135 ud/4451 gf
48% (0.48) uod/gf

9. hwhrhett – 1362 ud/3567 gf
38% (0.38) uod/gf

10. clapper – No members found for this search criterion.
n/a (included only because it’s on the other list)

Each member from the other list is ranked here according to Unique Opponents Defeated per Game Finished (uod/gf).

For clarity, the relevant statistic "uod/gf" is presented here for each member on the list as both a raw number and a percentage. (50% = 0.50; 100% = 1.00; 200% = 2.00, etc).

In layman's terms, the final number means that the member listed (member GoVegan, for example) has defeated an average of 0.71 unique opponents per game finished. For member TheBro, for example, he has defeated 1.10 unique members per game completed.

I hope you all have a wonderful day!

You seem to have forgotten all the players that Kilmanic has posted result for.