Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

[yeti_c]

By far the dominant strategy I've seen is to get control of the gang members outside the front gate (very drop sensitive), and then go for the warden from the back door. The simple way to make this a little more challenging would be to allow the tower guards to bomb not just the yard, but also the "escapees" outside the front gate.

That wouldn't work - because the tower guards can only be gained from going through the guard at the front - once you've done that you may as well work your way through and get to them normally...

The strategy is good though - if (esp in teams) you can eliminate your enemies out there - then it means you know that the warden is safe - and you can concentrate elsewhere - or go for the warden if you can...

C.

[mibi]

Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 7 to 5 to encourage use.
7. Guard 501 is reduced to 3 to reduce insulation of the gen pop


regarding neutral bosses.

yes it's worth considering. but this would essential give the bosses to certain players. if you are in a cell with a neutral boss then its all yours, your blocked in. if you are in a cell with a boss that is another player, you can either take them out, or be taken out your self. I have seen many situations where a starting boss player will try to shank his cell mate, lose control of the shank and then get shanked and killed by the cell mate on the next turn. cell mate rivavly and dominance is what its all about.

[MadagascarAdam]

OK, I'm not sure where the best place to post this is, or if the creator/manager of the map still reads this. But, I didn't want to post a new thread, so here it is:

I'm currently playing Supermax: Prison Riot! , my first time, and it's Game # 3697798 . I'm also using AJAX BOB.

It looks like it'll be a fun game. I got a really good drop, started with the gang leader and 4 aryan gang members. On my turn, I attacked and won two more aryan gang members. AJAX BOB registered the change in number of overall territories (so I have a higher territory bonus), but for some reason it still says I just have 4 gang members and will only get the smaller bonus, rather than the bigger bonus for having 6 gang members. Is this what will happen on my next turn or is it simply an error in processing for AJAX BOB and doesn't reflect my real bonuses I'll get?

I'd really like to start the game off by maintaining the lead I have and worked for, so if this is some kind of bug or something, PLEASE fix it by my next turn! Thank you!

[Incandenza]

OK, I'm not sure where the best place to post this is, or if the creator/manager of the map still reads this. But, I didn't want to post a new thread, so here it is:

I'm currently playing Supermax: Prison Riot! , my first time, and it's Game # 3697798 . I'm also using AJAX BOB.

What you're seeing is not a bug, it's how BOB reads continents. For more information, consult the preceding 5 pages worth of posts.

[MadagascarAdam]

Well, the point I was making wasn't that BOB said I had 4 rather than 6 Aryan brotherhood (in general), but that 6 is what the map key says is the turning point for the next bonus - and thus the point at which I'd expect BOB to show my higher bonus and have (6) in parentheses rather than (4).

However, I went back and looked at the map a lot more, looked at what BOB said about the other players, examined the map key more, etc.

And I think I've figured out my problem. The map key says "3 members +1" and "6 members +4" (or something like that), and I was always counting the little red circles with black outlines as having 6 members - and I do. However, I just realized that it means "Gang Leader" PLUS an ADDITIONAL "6 members". And I don't have that. I have 5 members and the gang leader, thus the reason why AJAX doesn't recognize a higher bonus - because I haven't met the requirements yet.

Anyway, I don't know how many other people might've been confused by this, but it may have been just me. Like I said, it's my first time playing this map.

[3mp3r0r]

Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 7 to 5 to encourage use.
7. Guard 501 is reduced to 3 to reduce insulation of the gen pop

ive seen a lot of people ask for these and want to know why the map's maker hasnt implemented them?

[yeti_c]

It's a good point...

Mibi - do you want me to sort the XML out for you?

C.

[mibi]

It's a good point...

Mibi - do you want me to sort the XML out for you?

C.

ys plz.

[EisenFaust]

I understand that guards 003 and 004 can bombard the yard. What I don't understand is that it looks like they can in turn be can be attacked FROM the yard. And if they can be eliminated from the yard, then the attacker would gain access to the booking and visitors areas without having to go through guard 005. Is this correct?

[laci_mae]

I understand that guards 003 and 004 can bombard the yard. What I don't understand is that it looks like they can in turn be can be attacked FROM the yard. And if they can be eliminated from the yard, then the attacker would gain access to the booking and visitors areas without having to go through guard 005. Is this correct?

003 and 004 are separated from the yard by a wall. The walls on this map are impassable. The arrows indicate bombardment (per the legend). Currently,the only way to access the guard house is through 005.

Incidentally, this is why a door has been proposed between 002 and 602. If/when this door is added it will provide new strategic access to the warden.

Hope this helps,
Laci

[homes32]

yeti, are we going to see the XML anytime soon?

[yeti_c]

Ya - sorry about that - RL has taken precedence recently - will do this in the new year.

C.

[Murda_cap]

I just started playing this map. Ive only played it twice, but I just love it. Awesome job and idea on this one.

[Tennisie]

Cartographer,

I believe there's a mistake on the Supermax: Prison Riot map. The map instructions say:

Hold the gang leader and... 3 gang members +1

However, in http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=4665429, it seems to require 4 gang members before the +1 bonus is awarded.

Tennisie

[MrBenn]

Cartographer,

I believe there's a mistake on the Supermax: Prison Riot map. The map instructions say:

Hold the gang leader and... 3 gang members +1

However, in http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=4665429, it seems to require 4 gang members before the +1 bonus is awarded.

Tennisie

The gang leader is also a gang member.... so in the XML/game log it will says 4 gang members, but one of those 4 members has to be the gang leader; which makes both statements correct.

[Hoots]

Wow... looks like alot of effort went into this map. It is very interesting!

Simple question, please dont take it the wrong way.

Is this map worth playing?

I ask because it is very clear that whoever clears gen pop out wins.

Doubles game, play order Green, Yellow, Red, Blue (we are yellow/blue)

R 1 Turn 1, Green (9 bonus) crushes yellow to 6 bonus (completly out of gen pop)
R1 Turn 2, Yellow (6 Bonus) does the most he can against red
R1 Turn 3, Red (11 Bonus) knocks blue down to 1 troop in gen pop
R1 Turn 4, Blue (5 bonus) Doesnt matter...

After 1 round Green/red are looking at 25 bonus (12/13) and we are looking at 11 (6/5) with 1 troop left in gen pop (until yellow clears him on R2, t2)

So, i guess im asking if this is the norm or we just got very unlucky on our first game on this map? id like to take the time to learn it but not if a doubles games is over after R1 more often than not.

Thought or comments?

Thanks

[mibi]

Wow... looks like alot of effort went into this map. It is very interesting!

Simple question, please dont take it the wrong way.

Is this map worth playing?

I ask because it is very clear that whoever clears gen pop out wins.

Doubles game, play order Green, Yellow, Red, Blue (we are yellow/blue)

R 1 Turn 1, Green (9 bonus) crushes yellow to 6 bonus (completly out of gen pop)
R1 Turn 2, Yellow (6 Bonus) does the most he can against red
R1 Turn 3, Red (11 Bonus) knocks blue down to 1 troop in gen pop
R1 Turn 4, Blue (5 bonus) Doesnt matter...

After 1 round Green/red are looking at 25 bonus (12/13) and we are looking at 11 (6/5) with 1 troop left in gen pop (until yellow clears him on R2, t2)

So, i guess im asking if this is the norm or we just got very unlucky on our first game on this map? id like to take the time to learn it but not if a doubles games is over after R1 more often than not.

Thought or comments?

Thanks

I have played in quite a few games where people have thought Gen pop was needed in order to win and they battled it out in there, while another player did damage in the other cell blocks or guard area. Bottom line, if a player gets a great drop in Gen Pop and clears it out quckly, there is not much you can do, though remeber, the bonus for all of gen pop isn't that much if they don't have any other gang leaders.

I also proposed a door from gen pop to the guard area but they never got around to updating it.

[MrBenn]

Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 7 to 5 to encourage use.
7. Guard 501 is reduced to 3 to reduce insulation of the gen pop


regarding neutral bosses.

yes it's worth considering. but this would essential give the bosses to certain players. if you are in a cell with a neutral boss then its all yours, your blocked in. if you are in a cell with a boss that is another player, you can either take them out, or be taken out your self. I have seen many situations where a starting boss player will try to shank his cell mate, lose control of the shank and then get shanked and killed by the cell mate on the next turn. cell mate rivavly and dominance is what its all about.

It's a good point...

Mibi - do you want me to sort the XML out for you?

C.

ys plz.

I also proposed a door from gen pop to the guard area but they never got around to updating it.

I thought we were waiting for an updated image with the door, and for the updated XML... otherwise there is nothing to update to

[Hoots]

I have played in quite a few games where people have thought Gen pop was needed in order to win and they battled it out in there, while another player did damage in the other cell blocks or guard area. Bottom line, if a player gets a great drop in Gen Pop and clears it out quckly, there is not much you can do, though remeber, the bonus for all of gen pop isn't that much if they don't have any other gang leaders.

I also proposed a door from gen pop to the guard area but they never got around to updating it.

Thanks for the reply Mibi, maybe we just had real bad luck in this one (to be down to 1 single troop in gen pop before blue takes a turn) and need to try a couple more to make judgement.

This game was over at the end of round one where basically green will hold yellow to 3-4 troops and red do the same to blue. Too many neutrals to do anything about it elsewhere and the courtyards will be outnumberd 4 & 5 to 1 with drops from bonuses.

I really hope this was the exception and not the norm. This seems like a very interesting map but you you have to survive past round 1 to be able to use any of the cool features!

I guess all large maps can suffer the same problems from drops and early dice of the first turn. tough thing to program around!

[mibi]

I have played in quite a few games where people have thought Gen pop was needed in order to win and they battled it out in there, while another player did damage in the other cell blocks or guard area. Bottom line, if a player gets a great drop in Gen Pop and clears it out quckly, there is not much you can do, though remeber, the bonus for all of gen pop isn't that much if they don't have any other gang leaders.

I also proposed a door from gen pop to the guard area but they never got around to updating it.

Thanks for the reply Mibi, maybe we just had real bad luck in this one (to be down to 1 single troop in gen pop before blue takes a turn) and need to try a couple more to make judgement.

This game was over at the end of round one where basically green will hold yellow to 3-4 troops and red do the same to blue. Too many neutrals to do anything about it elsewhere and the courtyards will be outnumberd 4 & 5 to 1 with drops from bonuses.

I really hope this was the exception and not the norm. This seems like a very interesting map but you you have to survive past round 1 to be able to use any of the cool features!

I guess all large maps can suffer the same problems from drops and early dice of the first turn. tough thing to program around!

I currently am in a game 5078356 where I have no armies in the gen pop at all, yet I have the highest bonuses for the first 3 rounds.

[Incandenza]

I currently am in a game 5078356 where I have no armies in the gen pop at all, yet I have the highest bonuses for the first 3 rounds.

Yes, there are always exceptions, but the fact remains that one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to ther chances of victory, and it wouldn't hurt to balance things out a bit... It would be interesting if, say, all the cellblock guards were 1's instead of 3's, the whole map would be in play that way.

[waseemalim]

I currently am in a game 5078356 where I have no armies in the gen pop at all, yet I have the highest bonuses for the first 3 rounds.

Yes, there are always exceptions, but the fact remains that one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to ther chances of victory, and it wouldn't hurt to balance things out a bit... It would be interesting if, say, all the cellblock guards were 1's instead of 3's, the whole map would be in play that way.

I have never won 5p+ standard game by holding gen pop first (I also havent seen many wins out of that place, probably because I play esc). In fact, I make a conscious effort to avoid general pop as most of the early fights start there -- I dont even care about maintaining a presence there.

[Incandenza]

I currently am in a game 5078356 where I have no armies in the gen pop at all, yet I have the highest bonuses for the first 3 rounds.

Yes, there are always exceptions, but the fact remains that one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to ther chances of victory, and it wouldn't hurt to balance things out a bit... It would be interesting if, say, all the cellblock guards were 1's instead of 3's, the whole map would be in play that way.

I have never won 5p+ standard game by holding gen pop first (I also havent seen many wins out of that place, probably because I play esc). In fact, I make a conscious effort to avoid general pop as most of the early fights start there -- I dont even care about maintaining a presence there.

Fair enough. Then I suppose my above assertion should be amended to "in head-to-head games, one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to one's chances of victory".

[mibi]

I currently am in a game 5078356 where I have no armies in the gen pop at all, yet I have the highest bonuses for the first 3 rounds.

Yes, there are always exceptions, but the fact remains that one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to ther chances of victory, and it wouldn't hurt to balance things out a bit... It would be interesting if, say, all the cellblock guards were 1's instead of 3's, the whole map would be in play that way.

I have never won 5p+ standard game by holding gen pop first (I also havent seen many wins out of that place, probably because I play esc). In fact, I make a conscious effort to avoid general pop as most of the early fights start there -- I dont even care about maintaining a presence there.

Fair enough. Then I suppose my above assertion should be amended to "in head-to-head games, one's success at taking gen pop is directly proportional to one's chances of victory".

yeah supermax is not a very good 1v1 map.

[hoya24]

For the last two turns I have received only 1 army for holding La Costra Nostra gang, when in fact I have held 6 members of the gang. Three turns ago I held 7 then lost 1, but I have held 6 for two turns and only been given 1 army each turn.

Here is what I got from checking the log.

I copied the game log sections that seem to be important. But in a nutshell:

In turn 8 - I had 4 La Cosa Nostra and captured 2 more
In turn 9-12 - I had 7 La Cosa Nostra
In turn 13 - I lost my bonus since I started with 5.
In turn 15 - I captured one additional member and had 6 guys.
In turn 16-18 – I held 6 La Cosa Nostra but the log only says I am holding 4, so I didn’t receive my bonus for 3 turns.

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