Abortion is a Blessing!

[Timminz]

I am Catholic.

Oh. I'm sorry.

No problem.

My condolences to your family, as well.

[HungrySomali]

Thank God for his blessings. If it werent for abortions I would have at least 7 kids right now.

[muy_thaiguy]

Seems a bit grandiose in the rhetoric here. The rights of the social contract are in part only given because there is shared participation in the social contract. This is expressed in any arrangement where we can decide to end the right of someone to life, either through war or through the death penalty or through even taking someone off of life support. Although all have different circumstances they all express a similar point, when one no longer participates in the social contract that these rights are held within, they are no longer subject to these rights. It is simply life after all, you can do the same thing for liberty and perhaps more abstractly happiness (or property if we are going to go with the original usage of the notion) as well. If you violate laws thus breaking the social contract (not fulfilling ones obligation) then you forefeit your protection under the rights.

Unborn infants are not serial killers, nor anyother type of criminal. They will not have that chance at life due to abortion. That is the difference here.

In order to have any system of rights, it most often requires a system of obligations as well. Without some type of obligation, the right in and of itself is of little value. If you have the right to do anything you want, and are not obligated to me in any way, we will have a very difficult social arrangement.

The US has laws (that were meant to be) that are used when someone's "right" oversteps that line and harms someone. Up to that point however, people are (well, supposed to be any way) free to do pretty much what they want. Also, without that right, there is little in the way of obligation, as when you take one of the 3 founding rights, the person whom you take it from has no obligation to you as they do not have one of the natural rights that were a part of this country's founding creed.

As unborn fetuses are not yet capable of engaging in the social contract, as they are incapable of holding any obligations, they are not protected under the rights of those that are. A unborn child cannot follow laws, it cannot engage in any number of the practices and procedures that make up human social relations. The only bond it has is to female who is carrying it to term. She is not providing the necessities of life out her own free will if she does not want to carry the baby to term. As the baby can carry no obligation in exchange for this right, the right is therefore not required to be given if it is not desired so by the mother.

The rights, as I wrote earlier, come first and foremost, as only then are obligations able to be met to any degree what-so-ever.
Whether she means to or not, she is providing the necessities of life, as that is what any female of any species does when they become pregnant. If she does not carry the infant to term, and terminates the infant, then she is taking away the right before any obligation can be met by the infant. The mother, when she denies the baby the right to life, is denying the baby any chance to any obligations or any other rights by having the baby killed. The right, if done say, by a murderer, to life is taken away, the murderer goes on trial for willingly killing someone out of cold blood. However, the dismembering, suffocating, and slaughtering of an unborn child, deemed to be inhumane if outside the womb, is considered legal, and even encouraged at times. So when the right to life is thrown out so easily, why bother having a death row and just shoot all of the death row inmates right now? Because there is a chance that they are not guilty. Yet this is not applied to innocent babies that have not yet had a chance to live.

[got tonkaed]

Wiser men than i have pointed out...there is no such thing as a free lunch.

[b.k. barunt]

How about breakfast? It's the most important meal of the day.


Honibaz

[got tonkaed]

How about breakfast? It's the most important meal of the day.


Honibaz

ill ask the wise men after i settle the bill.

[muy_thaiguy]

Wiser men than i have pointed out...there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Of course there is! Just don't get caught while obtaining it.

[got tonkaed]

Wiser men than i have pointed out...there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Of course there is! Just don't get caught while obtaining it.

unfortunatly, the belly is a dead give away approximately 99 percent of the time.

[comic boy]

exactly
self defense and murder are two separate things

As are legal abortion and murder.

"Thou shall not kill" it does not differentiate between murder and self defense nor abortion and free choice. Killing is killing.

1 ) The Law does differentiate though so I win

[HungrySomali]

Here is how I chose which babies to abort and which to keep...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd03xATZObE

[muy_thaiguy]

Wiser men than i have pointed out...there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Of course there is! Just don't get caught while obtaining it.

unfortunatly, the belly is a dead give away approximately 99 percent of the time.

Just disguise yourself as a pregnant woman. Or a sumo wrestler.

[jay_a2j]

are you a pacifist who is against gun ownership for self defense then?

If I am to follow the teachings of Christ, yes.

are you a pacifist who is against gun ownership for self defense then?

I believe that the commandment was "Thou Shall Not Commit Murder."

I had a problem with this when I was becoming a christian, because I thought it meant that I could not use deadly force when defending myself. They are two different things.

If memory serves me well, "Thou shall not kill" was changed to "Thou shall not murder". If you look at the other teachings of Christ, "If someone strikes you on the left cheek turn and offer him the other", "Do unto others.." etc. Jesus himself did not defend himself when He was arrested, beaten or crucified. As a matter of fact He asked the Father to "forgive them".

[b.k. barunt]

Actually "thou shalt not kill" was never changed to "thou shalt not commit murder", as that was the original meaning - there is no record of any of the 10 commandments being "changed" at all. Jesus fulfilled the law, and man is no longer under it, but it's never been "changed" anywhere in the Bible.

The second part is correct however. If one is to follow Jesus then one must follow his example and not defend himself. However, if someone wants to do harm to your wife or child, that is a different matter altogether.


Honibaz

[jay_a2j]

Actually "thou shalt not kill" was never changed to "thou shalt not commit murder", as that was the original meaning - there is no record of any of the 10 commandments being "changed" at all. Jesus fulfilled the law, and man is no longer under it, but it's never been "changed" anywhere in the Bible.

The second part is correct however. If one is to follow Jesus then one must follow his example and not defend himself. However, if someone wants to do harm to your wife or child, that is a different matter altogether.


Honibaz

You can look at the different translations and see "murder" or "kill". We would need someone who can read the original transcript to know for sure. "Thou shall not kill" is how I take it.

[Samuraipizzaguy]

Just so everyone knows we are all sinners.
Jesus said that if you have a lustful though about a woman you have committed adultry in your heart.
He also said that if you have ever had hatred for any man, woman, or child, then you are guilty of murder.
He said that if you have ever covetted someone elses things then you are guilty of theivery.
Also if you tell the smallest of white lies you are guilty of haveing a false testimony.
With just one of these four things you are condemed to hell. I know that i have done all four multiple times in my life and i'm not even an adult yet.

So for us to rank sins is just a human developement.
Truely in God's eyes murder is the same as telling a lie. The end result is the same, you go to hell.
That is unless you take up Jesus's offer of salvation.

Jesus told the man on the cross beside him that he would be with him in paradise that very day. He told the disciples that if you profess with your mouth i will profess you to the father.

Heck you don't have to say anything fancy, you just have to believe that your condemed to hell and that the only way to be clean in god's sight is to take up jesus's offer of salvation and confess these things with your mouth.

[Neoteny]

God's ego is almost as big as Kanye's.

[radiojake]

You can look at the different translations and see "murder" or "kill". We would need someone who can read the original transcript to know for sure. "Thou shall not kill" is how I take it.

so you're vegetarian, jay? I never realised!

[comic boy]

Just so everyone knows we are all sinners.
Jesus said that if you have a lustful though about a woman you have committed adultry in your heart.
He also said that if you have ever had hatred for any man, woman, or child, then you are guilty of murder.
He said that if you have ever covetted someone elses things then you are guilty of theivery.
Also if you tell the smallest of white lies you are guilty of haveing a false testimony.
With just one of these four things you are condemed to hell. I know that i have done all four multiple times in my life and i'm not even an adult yet.

So for us to rank sins is just a human developement.
Truely in God's eyes murder is the same as telling a lie. The end result is the same, you go to hell.
That is unless you take up Jesus's offer of salvation.

Jesus told the man on the cross beside him that he would be with him in paradise that very day. He told the disciples that if you profess with your mouth i will profess you to the father.

Heck you don't have to say anything fancy, you just have to believe that your condemed to hell and that the only way to be clean in god's sight is to take up jesus's offer of salvation and confess these things with your mouth.

Just to let you all know, this means nothing to me

[Neoteny]

It definitely gets a 1 out of five for originality.

[Timminz]

It definitely gets a 1 out of five for originality.

Originality is a sin.

[InkL0sed]

Just so everyone knows we are all sinners.

Just so you know, you're wrong.

Jesus said that if you have a lustful though about a woman you have committed adultry in your heart.

I guess Jesus was wrong, then, 'cause my ex says it's only cheating if you kiss him/her.

He also said that if you have ever had hatred for any man, woman, or child, then you are guilty of murder.

I guess he was also wrong here then.

He said that if you have ever covetted someone elses things then you are guilty of theivery.

He said a lot of crazy things, didn't he?

Also if you tell the smallest of white lies you are guilty of haveing a false testimony.

Well, yeah, that's what false testimony means. What's your point?

With just one of these four things you are condemed to hell. I know that i have done all four multiple times in my life and i'm not even an adult yet.

Wow, it must be horrible going through life thinking you're going to be tortured for all eternity after you die. Why don't you sin as much as you can, since you're going to hell anyway?

Of course, I think hell is New Jersey, and as far as I know, torture is illegal there. So I'm not worrying.

So for us to rank sins is just a human developement.
Truely in God's eyes murder is the same as telling a lie. The end result is the same, you go to hell.
That is unless you take up Jesus's offer of salvation.

Jesus told the man on the cross beside him that he would be with him in paradise that very day. He told the disciples that if you profess with your mouth i will profess you to the father.

Heck you don't have to say anything fancy, you just have to believe that your condemed to hell and that the only way to be clean in god's sight is to take up jesus's offer of salvation and confess these things with your mouth.

Oh cool, you're saying that as long as you admit that you're sinning while you lie, cheat, steal, and kill, you're all good?

No wonder you can sleep at night!





Man, I'm in a sarcastic and antagonistic mood today. Next thing you know I might actually leave my room

[jay_a2j]

Just to let you all know, this means nothing to me

That is your choice and sadly many others feel the same way.


Edit: and Inky that's all well and good if your ex is GOD. God makes the rules not us.

[jonesthecurl]

"Inky" - I love living in New Jersey. So far I have visited (counts) um, 9 other states, and passed through two more, and NJ is my favourite so far.

[comic boy]

Just to let you all know, this means nothing to me

That is your choice and sadly many others feel the same way.


Edit: and Inky that's all well and good if your ex is GOD. God makes the rules not us.

Jay we have simply placed bets on different horses , Only difference is that I dont bang on in an insufferable manner about backing a certain winner

[InkL0sed]

I think we should probably debate whether New Jersey is hell in another thread.

Maybe Sultan's thread about Mississippi.