isaiah40 wrote:Thank you Mr.Benn for letting this map move on!
Now I like a couple of ideas for names, and I like the idea of naming the territories with history in mind. I agree that the new names are bland, but I just thew them out there to show that I was willing to change the names to keep this map moving. So no political or religious names here. I'll be working on a revision here shortly and I'll get it posted as soon as possible!
So stay tuned!
You have a great looking map Isaiah. Keep at it!
Many of us are looking FORWARD to it and will help in any way we can.
porkenbeans wrote:The whole stink was about calling the Dems. Muslims and Commies, and adorning them with symbols that belong to Russia and Islam. I do NOT see a problem with using today's organizations and political parties. Just use their own names and symbols. The Stars and Stripes however, do NOT belong to one party, so It would not be acceptable to have it exclusively for the Reps. Maybe two different flags that both use the red white and blue. You could even allow the representatives from each respective party choose a flag and/or emblem to use. Just so long as there is not one party choosing for the other. That way we will not have one side being made fun of by the other. That is all this whole fuss was really about. Oh, and I wish to apologize for he FU comment. Maybe I should not have gotten so upset, but I hope that you will understand, Isiah, that Democrats are just as patriotic as Republicans are.
No problem! And thank you for apologizing publically . Actually I did a little more research and found out there is a Democratic Socialist of America group. You can view their web site here http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
So in hind site I was not that far off from a real group by that name.
I don't think I will be using any flags on the map, of course if it looks better that way I'll put them in.
So now the question, should we keep the names or change them?
keep the names as they are and please don't listen to no one, it's your map you decide what are the names ( i think they are ok like that ) and thanks for changing the Québec name to république du Québec
ben79 wrote:keep the names as they are and please don't listen to no one, it's your map you decide what are the names ( i think they are ok like that ) and thanks for changing the Québec name to république du Québec
again waiting to play your map
regards, ben
Ooops I forgot the du Hope you won't mind me leaving the name as République Québec!
SO if I don't listen to no one, I guess I shouldn't listen to you either eh?
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Industrial Helix wrote:Deseret was the proposed Mormon state to be made from the Utah Territory, I believe they had a rebellion at some point in the 1800s.
Evil DIMwit wrote:I'd've also made Islamic States into something like Ecovania because tree-huggers are probably 3900% more likely to take over the West Coast than Islamists. Or maybe the Kingdom of Hollywood. The Los Angeles Republic of Anaheim?)
I like Ecovania. Sounds Sierra clubish don't you think? I'll use it instead of Islamic States. Thanks Evil DIMwit, gret idea!
Well after all the hoopla here is Version 5.1 (version 5 is the one I sent to Mr.Benn).
Changes made: - Renamed Islamic States to Ecovania - Renamed Aztlan Empire to just plain Mexico - Renamed Democratic Socialist Party to Democrats - Renamed Republican Party to Republicans - Renamed Thunder Bay to Lakehead - Moved Canadian capital from Albany to Lakehead - Renamed Mormons to Deseret - Reapplied all flags to their respective bonuses with the exception of those bonuses I renamed - Made new flags for the renamed bonuses (except for the democrats) - Redid the legend colors to more accurately reflect the colors on the map
Things to be done: - Need a new name for Bible Belt (unless everyone is not offended with it) - Need a new name for The Outfit (unless everyone is not offended with it) - Need a better name for Mexico - Need an ecologically friendly name to replace Area 51 - Need to possibly add a connecting island or something between Cuba and Mexico - Game play ideas (right now it is standard game play)
That should be it for now so here is the new version!
I think Cuba is actually not bad as it is. It's like Oceania in classic but it has two border territories and 3/4 territories to defend from (Do make the Pensacola-MS border clearer, would you?)
Also, yay, the personality's back! I don't like how dark the map's gotten, though. Why'd you darken it?
SUPER. It may be a little different than I would have made the boundaries, but it is not my map. I do not think that you will be getting too much uproar with these changes. Good luck with this one, and glad too be of help.
sorry for my late.. i can't speak when it was the time cause the topic was closed, and then i didn't saw the other topics (if they exist..) that discuss about this map.
first, i'm really not agree with the change of the names, cause without that sci-fi post-chrisis setting, this map is not so different from another american map with changed country bonuses, so it will be useless. the only thing that keep this map original and interesting in CC is the background setting. in my opinion, if you don't keep the original names, you must create a new setting that make a real and interesting sense for this country division, (and sorry, but i'm italian and probably i can't understand why can be offensive think about the Bible or Islamic fanatics that declare independent some territories, and it isn't the same for Cubans, that still remain in your new versions like a group that will conquer miami and few other US territories.. obviusly, i'm not offended from that because it's only fantasy, but personally i think that at now it's more normal to think about a degeneration of the powers of the church than of the cubans.. -let see the documentary "Jesus Camp" to better understand the actual situation about evangelical and other occidental religion fanatics in USA- ).
second, i wasn't with the flags texture for aesthetical reasons, but i can understand that use specifical flags of real actual groups can be offensive cause seems an accuse to them that thoose are their objective, so now i'm much more for a no-flag countries backgrounds.
the point is that when someone create a sci-fi setting, he looks at the actual groups and think that it can be one of the millions possibilities that someone (or something) may trasform thoose ideology in an extremist group. no offense for the actual members or for their ideology, in my opinion. hitler took the normal patriottic ideal and transform it in racism and intolerance. Stalin took the normal communist ideology and trasform it in a violent and exploitative dictatorship. if an author create a sci-fi setting with a bad communist or repubblican group, he means that there will be someone that degenerate the actual ideals of that group, and it can happens for one group like another one (and in this map happened to the most part of the world's groups..), and in paritcular that it's only fantasy sci-fi.
i love the sci-fi, expecially the '50-'70 (like P.K.Dick, for example) and i assure that in this genre are very normal to find settings like this, or better still, there are a lot of setting that can be more offensive than this map is. I read a book just this summer, that tells about a post-nuclear future where the texas be the only nation of survivors (with their nuclear bunkers) and then reclaim all the US and start a rewriting of history and culture telling that the texas was always the real boss of USA and manipulated the national politic, and also changing the literacy and arts in texan key. besides they use hormones to be bigger and stronger and they also use mexicans (that can't use hormones and are little and sick) like animal slaves.. To not leave aside someone, he assume that there is a big space metropolis flying around the Moon that is an independent State settled by Russian scientist and where now live a communist-like population with its good and bad things.. (the book is called "A Spectre is Hauting Texas", by Fritz Leiber, 1968). Yes, probably he started from the actual bad things of the texan ideologic approach, but then he used his fantasy and gone too far, so there's no real offense for the texans, and nobody censored this book (it was the '60, so think that at now we must have to be more liberal and not less..).
from its born, the sci-fi always tell stories that have the objective to keep in alert from the risk of the degeneration of actual situations (like pollution, or nuclear war, or extremist ideologies), and there wasn't a real intention to offense or critics entirely an actual group. keep in hand the flag of liberty of expression and don't change your setting!!
speaking about the map's graphic, better, without flags bacground, now try something that give more grunge or darkness feeling (your setting is a dark future, so make your map spreads that feeling).
My only disappointment is that we have Moab and Cedar City in the Deseret region and not more cool stuff like Moroni. I will play this map based entirely on the fact that it references Mormon culture.
Optimus Prime wrote:My only disappointment is that we have Moab and Cedar City in the Deseret region and not more cool stuff like Moroni. I will play this map based entirely on the fact that it references Mormon culture.
Have any names in mind? How about Nephi? I am looking for suggestions!
Really? The Metis are the primary reason Manitoba was made part of the Dominion of Canada. The area represented on the map is pretty close to being historical. I take no offense to this.
I understand that this area is the historical area for the Metis people, but it seems out of place that this is the only race that is mentioned on this map. It`s not a big deal for me, it just doesn`t seem to go with the whole 2040 theme. Maybe if this were a 1870 map, but I don`t see the Metis carving out their own territory as part of a Fractured America. Wouldn't other bands do the same throughout the USA and Canada then?
phantomzero wrote: I understand that this area is the historical area for the Metis people, but it seems out of place that this is the only race that is mentioned on this map. It`s not a big deal for me, it just doesn`t seem to go with the whole 2040 theme. Maybe if this were a 1870 map, but I don`t see the Metis carving out their own territory as part of a Fractured America. Wouldn't other bands do the same throughout the USA and Canada then?
Actually, if I remember my Canadian history correctly, the Metis almost caused a Canadian civil war. From what I remember, Metis in french means half-breed. Half French, half native american. It can also mean those of mixed race. If the latter is also true then I say that most of us today are Metis, but I digress. The Metis today are still trying to get recognized. Like I said, this is if I remember my history correctly.
If you have any other suggestions on what I could put in their place, please let me know. But for now the Metis group is staying.
Changes made: - Renamed Area 51 to Oasis - Renamed Cedar City to Nephi - Renamed Bible Belt to Libertarians and changed background logo - Expanded Nephi border with AZ as to not have it so squishy - Expanded Montreal and Quebec borders so you can read the names easier - Cleaned up some bleed over on a couple of bonuses
That is all this whole fuss was really about. 
Hope you won't mind me leaving the name as République Québec!
