Withdrawing 1241 ratings takes a while.

[72o]

I have decided to stop rating people. I don't want to get a C&A report because I give all 5's. I thought that's what you were supposed to do. Turns out, that's abuse. I withdrew all of my ratings. Some of you probably got helped out by that, as I used to rate people honestly and actually give poor ratings when people suck. Since about September it's been all 5's though.

Now if I can just get rid of that red reminder that I can leave ratings. I think that's the only reason I rated people in the first place, was to get that to go away.

I wonder if my medals will go away.

[nippersean]

But don't you think withdrawing 1241 ratings is an excessive reaction?
Why not just stop rating people if you don't want to?

[ronsizzle]

how do you delete ratings?

[72o]

I don't think that that would somehow make me immune to accusations of rating abuse. Now that they're talking about percentages of a certain rating and numbers of pages of a certain rating, I think it's better just to not rate at all.

[natty dread]

Wow... that's just ridiculous.

IMO any such concept as "ratings abuse" should be removed entirely from CC. Everyone should be free to give whatever ratings they choose. Ratings are subjective opinions, so if someone wants to rate everyone all 1:s or all 5:s then he should have the right to do so. The ones complaining about ratings are whiny bitches who should just get a life.

[Stegura]

Giving everyone all 5's doesn't make sense... was everyone really perfect?

[jefjef]

I have decided to stop rating people. I don't want to get a C&A report because I give all 5's. I thought that's what you were supposed to do. Turns out, that's abuse. I withdrew all of my ratings. Some of you probably got helped out by that, as I used to rate people honestly and actually give poor ratings when people suck. Since about September it's been all 5's though.

Now if I can just get rid of that red reminder that I can leave ratings. I think that's the only reason I rated people in the first place, was to get that to go away.

I wonder if my medals will go away.

Now that we have your statement admitting to your abuse you can expect a C & A complaint very soon. hahahahahahaha

ronc you remove ratings with the [WITHDRAW] button on the left of them.

Ratings abuse will never be decided by a %. Don't be afraid to rate. Just don't be all ones or all fives. I find it impossible to believe there are no players in between.

My "rating abuse" was just cleared. That should give ya an idea of whats acceptable.

[Wolffystyle]

72o, seems a bit over the top- unless you're trying to prove a point? I think the recent jefjef case will prove you won't get in trouble, but rather your accuser will...

Giving everyone all 5's doesn't make sense... was everyone really perfect?

Some people, like myself, choose to simply not rate people who are worth low ratings. I chose to rate those who I enjoyed playing with because they're worth my time to rate. So, no, not everyone deserves a five, but if a given user has rated everyone with a 5, maybe she has just chosen to rate those deserving. Or she could just be an optimist! We need more of those here anyway!

[Ronaldinho]

Giving everyone all 5's doesn't make sense... was everyone really perfect?

Tbh i usually get people who just play the game and say Gl and GG in my games. Usually this results in 5's but then again i'm not a big fan of rating everyone in the game. Although that red writing is annoying.

[natty dread]

Tbh i usually get people who just play the game and say Gl and GG in my games. Usually this results in 5's but then again i'm not a big fan of rating everyone in the game. Although that red writing is annoying.

I do the same. It even says so in my profile, I don't give ratings if you're silent in game chat... at least say gg & gl and I'll give all 5:s. If I remember...

[Optimus Prime]

You'll get to keep the medal. I withdrew basically all of my ratings a long time ago after becoming an admin and no longer rate people when I play. All it does is flood my inbox with angry private messages if I don't give out all 5 stars, which is ridiculous.

It will only take about a week and you won't even noticed the red text telling you to rate people.

[pmchugh]

72o, seems a bit over the top- unless you're trying to prove a point?

I can't see how you could take this thread any other way.

[Uncle Death]

Is this all a joke? I keep seeing references to ratings abuse. There can be no such thing. There are people who rate poorly as retaliation for losing or are trying to be abusive or funny. There is nothing wrong with giving someone all 5's if you enjoyed playing with them, period. If someone in an official capacity has sanctioned such a thing as ratings abuse please enlighten me and if they have that person is none too bright. If such a thing as ratings abuse exists, eliminate the ratings.

I always thought the reason behind the feedback and ratings was for people to learn the reputation of the player, you play long enough you'll get an accurate rating by either being a good player or lousy player. Occasionally the good player will get a bad rating and occasionally the lousy player will get a good one. Don't give us a choice in how we rate and then tell us how we should be rating people.

[pimpdave]

Wait, we can get in trouble for giving out 5 stars?

[firth4eva]

Bring back feedback.

[elfish_lad]

Most things are solved by common consensus. Here are some things where there seems to be a consensus with regard to ratings:

1. The C&A thread has been a tad nutty lately on this topic;
2. If a player gives a winning opponent all 1's it is usually crap and abusive;
3. If a player gives his/her opponent(s) all 5's it usually means they enjoyed the game and would join with that (those) player(s) again.

From what I've read, and heard, and talked about with others, I would bet this is general CC consensus on the matter.

It's too bad 72o that you and others will no longer give ratings. I think I understand it. But I still think it is too bad. For while there still IS a rating system, the fewer good players like yourself who give ratings, the more weight is given to those who leave BS tags and stars. But in the end it is probably a mute point anyway. The longer I'm here the better I am at choosing games with players with whom I want to engage in battle.

E.

[king sam]

there was 1 case that was ruled upon from a player that gave all 5's and since then there has been a pandemic about this.

The part of the story on that case that some don't want to bring up cause it takes away from the drama effect is that player rated everyone all 5's and had numerous pages of players that were well undeserving of such kindness. In short he rated at least 15 players 5's in all categories that deadbeated the game away. A player that deadbeats is not worth 3 5 stars. And seeing as he had a vast majority of inaccurate ratings it was collectively deemed by Team CC that he was misusing the rating system by rating most users he came in contact with haphazardly. Granted it wasn't on the latter side of abuse like you often see, but it was still abuse.

Rating others is completely subjective, and we never take sides as to why someone would rate/tag a certain way if their is ever a glimmer of proof that can stem from the certain rating/tag given. However when you get a user that solely leaves poor ratings/tags cause he loses a game then we consider that abuse. Just like if you get a user that misuses the tags he distributes, the most common one being the "Deadbeat" tag to players that didn't deadbeat the game. (Missed 3 turns consecutively and kicked out)

If you run across a player that is missing turns you can rate him as slow, rude, coward, clueless, quitter, cheap tactics, poor strategy or even teammate killer if it was a teams games, just not "deadbeat" unless he got kicked form the game for missed turns

As long as your assessment on a rating you give can be justified then your in the clear.. When you start rating players based on inaccurate facts because you sore from a loss is when you start to abuse the system.

KS

[ronsizzle]

i appreciate you clearing that up sam!

[Prankcall]

I have decided to stop rating people. I don't want to get a C&A report because I give all 5's. I thought that's what you were supposed to do. Turns out, that's abuse. I withdrew all of my ratings. Some of you probably got helped out by that, as I used to rate people honestly and actually give poor ratings when people suck. Since about September it's been all 5's though.

Now if I can just get rid of that red reminder that I can leave ratings. I think that's the only reason I rated people in the first place, was to get that to go away.

I wonder if my medals will go away.

We are not supposed to leave all 5's?! Well I am not sure how this can be defined as abuse since IMO it's purely a matter of opinion on a players abilities.

[KoE_Sirius]

Giving everyone all 5's doesn't make sense... was everyone really perfect?

Well I can only speak for myself,but yeah.

[Blitzaholic]

why delete so many?


and how long did it take you?

[firth4eva]

We are not supposed to leave all 5's?! Well I am not sure how this can be defined as abuse since IMO it's purely a matter of opinion on a players abilities.

Which part of 'rate an average player 3 stars' don't you understand?

[frogger4]

In my opinion, most players I come across seem to me to be good players. To a seemingly good player, I usually give all 5s because I think they deserve it. To a player that seems to be bad, I will give a lower rating. If I have no opinion on the person, then I won't bother to rate them. is it really that complicated?

[ronsizzle]

why delete so many?


and how long did it take you?

i deleted all of the bad ratings i gave people. some of you may want to go take a look at who you have rated. cuz you will notice some of them you have changed your mind about.

[PLAYER57832]

there was 1 case that was ruled upon from a player that gave all 5's and since then there has been a pandemic about this.

The part of the story on that case that some don't want to bring up cause it takes away from the drama effect is that player rated everyone all 5's and had numerous pages of players that were well undeserving of such kindness. In short he rated at least 15 players 5's in all categories that deadbeated the game away. A player that deadbeats is not worth 3 5 stars. And seeing as he had a vast majority of inaccurate ratings it was collectively deemed by Team CC that he was misusing the rating system by rating most users he came in contact with haphazardly. Granted it wasn't on the latter side of abuse like you often see, but it was still abuse.

Rating others is completely subjective, and we never take sides as to why someone would rate/tag a certain way if their is ever a glimmer of proof that can stem from the certain rating/tag given. However when you get a user that solely leaves poor ratings/tags cause he loses a game then we consider that abuse. Just like if you get a user that misuses the tags he distributes, the most common one being the "Deadbeat" tag to players that didn't deadbeat the game. (Missed 3 turns consecutively and kicked out)

If you run across a player that is missing turns you can rate him as slow, rude, coward, clueless, quitter, cheap tactics, poor strategy or even teammate killer if it was a teams games, just not "deadbeat" unless he got kicked form the game for missed turns

As long as your assessment on a rating you give can be justified then your in the clear.. When you start rating players based on inaccurate facts because you sore from a loss is when you start to abuse the system.

KS

Having been gone for a bit and coming back to the possibility that I might be banned, thanks' for clearing it up.

Truth is, people give all 5's because the system was not really geared to reflect what people actually think. I remember pages of discussion, but then this system was plopped down without any real and true consensus or resolution. Also, you make it exceedingly difficult for people who play lots of games (not the case for me now, but was) to go back and check/change ratings. As a result, most people "err" on the side of giving people the higher rating. Nobody really cares if they get an "undeserved" 5, but if they get a 2 -- they tend to throw fits even if it is deserved for that game. And if they play again and improve -- there is no way to really and truly account for that easily.

Lot's of people have suggested alternatives, including several from myself, but none have been accepted. I think rushing into a new "solution" would be the worst thing you could do. That said, some of the suggestions would make a huge difference without causing a terrific hassle for admin. In particular, just having the ratings averaged, so that I can rate the game I just played and not have to worry about what I rated that person before.... seems like it would help everyone.