Black Jesus?

[heavycola]

We have had a "black jesus" running his mouth around CC lately and although I have nothing against owen, this would make for an interesting thread for me... was Jesus black? Post your thoughts below and after everyone has vented I will put up a poll and see what the majority believes.


This was a photo I found just on google of what i always believed Jesus looked like... not black, but not white.

-griff

Obama will tell you Jesus is black. Correction. Barak Obama sat in a church for 20 years that preaches Jesus was a black man. I think Obama said "I didn't hear those parts."

Well, I have heard it,and I have never even been to that church. Want to see it for yourself? in his own words? okay.

"Jesus was a poor black man" first 30 seconds

But I thought he was a Muslim, why would he sit in a church?

Also doesn't he hate traditional Judeo-Christian values, why would be even be in a church?

Isn't he a Marxist and therefore against religion?

His church gave a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farakhan

He wanted to get elected

He likes to hide his Marxism

It's the perfect plan - behave JUST like a christian your whole life, attend church regularly and describe yourself as a christian, in order to disguise the fact that you're a communist, white-culture-hatin' muslim!
See the Pope? That dude worships satan and likes nothing better than having sex before marriage and he never uses a condom! The whole 'Pope' thing is just a front!
Or it's like Hitler! He just slaughtered all those millions of people and started a massive war to disguise his REAL agenda, which was all about giving jewish babies the best start in life and nursing injured puppies back to health! It was all just a front!
Etc.
Etc.
yawn.

[AAFitz]

We have had a "black jesus" running his mouth around CC lately and although I have nothing against owen, this would make for an interesting thread for me... was Jesus black? Post your thoughts below and after everyone has vented I will put up a poll and see what the majority believes.


This was a photo I found just on google of what i always believed Jesus looked like... not black, but not white.

-griff

Obama will tell you Jesus is black. Correction. Barak Obama sat in a church for 20 years that preaches Jesus was a black man. I think Obama said "I didn't hear those parts."

Well, I have heard it,and I have never even been to that church. Want to see it for yourself? in his own words? okay.

"Jesus was a poor black man" first 30 seconds

How is that any worse than sitting in a church and listening to a preacher say Jesus was a white man? He was Jewish, and at least possibly closer to black than white. Either way, who cares. He is worshiping his God. If that God exists, do you honestly think he has a favorite race...and if he does, do you honestly think its the one that executed his Sons natural born race? Starting off that Jesus was a poor black man, is so much more historically accurate than Jesus was a white entitled little boy that, this post actually shows Obama is more informed than most other politicians that go to church.

Myself, I think most polititians have sold their souls long ago, and church is just window dressing anyways, and as been true in history, the religion and God are used as weapons and not for good, more often than not. For example, your post. You missed your time though. Youd have fit right in at the inquisition. You must be so disappointed you missed out on that opportunity.

More likely physical appearance:


Half of the people in here today would assume he was a muslim terrorist and would block him from trying to build a church if he reappeared in his original form....unless of course the prophesies are correct, and then those people will be a little too busy to continue their racist discrimination, though clearly, most arent true believers in the first case, or they would never have allowed themselves to allow such things in the first place.

If he exists, and if he came back, and if he looked like anything other than a white man, most professed believers would be the first in line to vote for his execution, and the rest would be hoping to God, he cant read your actual thoughts, and that he is indeed, very, very forgiving.

[tzor]

More likely physical appearance:

Not quite but close; the hairstyle would be significantly longer as well as the beard. Besides, we already have the best image of the man; doesn't anyone believe in miracles these days?

The Shroud of Turin: recent photo of the face, positive left, negative right. Negative has been contrast enhanced.

[natty dread]

In 1988 a radiocarbon dating test was performed on small samples of the shroud. The laboratories at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, concluded that the sample they tested dated from the Middle Ages, between AD1260 and AD1390.

Tzor, are you saying Jesus actually lived in the 13th-14th century?

[AAFitz]

In 1988 a radiocarbon dating test was performed on small samples of the shroud. The laboratories at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, concluded that the sample they tested dated from the Middle Ages, between AD1260 and AD1390.

Tzor, are you saying Jesus actually lived in the 13th-14th century?

I also think he lived to age 33, not 63. I do not think he is actually offering that as an actual picture however. I suspect he is quite well aware it is probably not Jesus.

[jimboston]

I'm not entirely convinced Jesus ever existed. So I will say he was most likely purple.

This is a moot debate... typical conspriracy theory.

One who doesn't want to believe that the man, Jesus of Nazareth, never exisited will argue all evidence of said existance is part of the conspiracy. You can't prove a negative.

There is no way to prove to you he existed, anymore than I might proof to a conspiracy nut that NASA did in fact put a man on the moon.

BTW, I am not Christian (at least not anymore)... and I don't believe he is the Son of God anymore than I myself am... but I do believe he existed. It's illogical to believe that a non-existant person would be the basis for something like the Christian Faith or the Catholic Church.

This may be a good link... just reviewing it now.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

Oh... BTW... I think he likely looked like a Palenstinian or Arab. Dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes... not African black; but certainly not white with fair skin and blue eyes... as depicted in most paintings and drawings I have ever seen.

[tzor]

In 1988 a radiocarbon dating test was performed on small samples of the shroud. The laboratories at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, concluded that the sample they tested dated from the Middle Ages, between AD1260 and AD1390.

Tzor, are you saying Jesus actually lived in the 13th-14th century?

Gosh Natty, your news is so ... 20th century.

On April 6, 2009, the London newspaper The Times reported that Dr. Barbara Frale, an official Vatican researcher, had uncovered evidence that the Shroud had been kept and venerated by the Templars since the 1204 sack of Constantinople. According to the account of one neophyte member of the order, veneration of the Shroud appeared to be part of the initiation ritual. The article also implies that this ceremony may be the source of the 'worship of a bearded figure' that the Templars were accused of at their 14th century trial and suppression.

On October 5, 2009, Luigi Garlaschelli, professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, announced that he had made a full size reproduction of the Shroud of Turin using only medieval technologies. Garlaschelli placed a linen sheet over a volunteer and then rubbed it with an acidic pigment. The shroud was then aged in an oven before being washed to remove the pigment. He then added blood stains, scorches and water stains to replicate the original. The image on the reproduction, peer-reviewed, would closely match that of the Turin Shroud with differences explained as the result of natural fading over the centuries. But according to noted sindonologist Giulio Fanti, professor of mechanical and thermic measurements at the Padua University, "the image in discussion does not match the main fundamental properties of the Shroud image, in particular at thread and fiber level but also at macroscopic level".

In November 2009 Vatican scholar Dr. Barbara Frale announced that she had "managed to read the burial certificate of Jesus the Nazarene, or Jesus of Nazareth." imprinted in fragments of Greek, Hebrew and Latin writing, together with the image of a crucified man on the cloth. She asserted that the inscription provided an "historical date consistent with the Gospels account" and that the letters, not obvious to the human eyes, were first detected during an examination of the shroud in 1978, with others since coming to light. As with the image of the man himself Frale reports that the letters are in reverse and only become intelligible in negative photographs. Frale further asserts that under contemporary Jewish burial practices, within a Roman colony such as Palestine, a body buried after a death sentence could only be returned to the family after a year in a common grave (though the gospels report that Jesus was buried in a tomb provided by Joseph of Arimathea), therefore a death certificate was glued to the burial shroud, usually stuck to the face, to identify it for later retrieval.

Other scholars have argued that the writing originates from a reliquary in which the cloth was housed during medieval times. Frale disagrees on her assumption that a medieval Christian would not have referred to Jesus as "the Nazarene" but rather "Jesus as Christ" since the former would have been "heretical" in the Middle Ages, defining Jesus as being "only a man" rather than the Son of God. Frale's reconstruction of the text reads:

"In the year 16 of the reign of the Emperor Tiberius Jesus the Nazarene, taken down in the early evening after having been condemned to death by a Roman judge because he was found guilty by a Hebrew authority, is hereby sent for burial with the obligation of being consigned to his family only after one full year".
Frale further argues that the use of three languages was in line with the multi-lingual practices of Greek-speaking Jews in a Roman colony.

In 2010, three professors of statistics wrote in a scientific paper that the statistical analysis of the raw dates obtained from the three laboratories suggests "the presence of an important contamination in the 1988 TS samples".

[AAFitz]

We have had a "black jesus" running his mouth around CC lately and although I have nothing against owen, this would make for an interesting thread for me... was Jesus black? Post your thoughts below and after everyone has vented I will put up a poll and see what the majority believes.


This was a photo I found just on google of what i always believed Jesus looked like... not black, but not white.

-griff

I had no idea Picasso lived that long ago.

[NightWolf]

Just in case anybody forgot, this is the likely origin of the first thread on this subject. It was burned into my mind for the pure hilarity of posters being ridiculous: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=66311 .

The whole subject is just hilarious to me. It has no importance whatsoever. Most, if not all people in the middle-east at that time had a skin color closer to that of Mexicans. Of course, that doesn't mean anything either. If we were all treated the same from a "visual perspective", I honestly believe we would all be a lot more similar than we realize, if you exclude factors such as culture and EUGENICS. You'll either understand or you haven't been taught some very important things in life.

Anyways, if anybody wants to carry on with pure comedy on the subject, go ahead and I'll listen. I know it's not important what you say about it, so I'll take it all from a fool's perspective.

Oh, and based on my observations, I'm sure lots of people do think he's black. On the other hand, I think it's inaccurate, so keep on talking guys.

[tzor]

But NightWolf, this is Serious Interwebz Business, we have to be ... uh serious? I mean it's not the exact color of the skin Jesus had, everyone really wants to know what his nose looked like. Did he have a Roman Nose, or a Greek nose or a real Jewish Schnoz? Historians want to know!

[ronsizzle]

jesus is black, and is the leader of my clan. that is all i have ever known.

mel gibson knows that.

[jonesthecurl]

"Mel" is a girl's name.

[grifftron]

jesus is black, and is the leader of my clan. that is all i have ever known.

mel gibson knows that.

Oh stop licking black Jebuses crack... no one to impress here, so far with all the feedback we have gotten people believe that Jesus was most likely mid-toned or more darker toned but for sure NOT black

-griff

[billy07]

in africa there was no religion until the missionaries brought christianity to them. the vast majority of africans now practice christianity alot more than white people (british), so if they want to turn jesus black thats fine by me. he is what you want to believe he is.

[Joodoo]

I'm pretty sure he was Native American

[DJPatrick]

on-going in the C&A reports folder right now...worth a look...
BTW...Africans ( and others...Druids, anyone?) had their own religion long before Christianity arrived to "save" them...
I much sprefer the speculation on melons tho...

[AAFitz]

he is what you want to believe he is.

That is surprisingly, most profoundly correct.

[comic boy]

in africa there was no religion until the missionaries brought christianity to them. the vast majority of africans now practice christianity alot more than white people (british), so if they want to turn jesus black thats fine by me. he is what you want to believe he is.

Yes of course there were no indigenous religions in Africa before the white men came calling, also Islam didn't predate Christianity on that continent and it doesn't still equal Christianity as the widest practised religion in Africa today.

[AAFitz]

in africa there was no religion until the missionaries brought christianity to them. the vast majority of africans now practice christianity alot more than white people (british), so if they want to turn jesus black thats fine by me. he is what you want to believe he is.

Yes of course there were no indigenous religions in Africa before the white men came calling, also Islam didn't predate Christianity on that continent and it doesn't still equal Christianity as the widest practised religion in Africa today.

I think what you mean to say is;

That is so unsurprisingly, profoundly incorrect.

I myself still like the last part. It rings true on a basic level, and this entire thread is evidence of it.

[nietzsche]

This is utterly stupid. I'm so tired of all of you and your ignorance.

Jesus was Mexican, therefore his name: Jesus, not Joseph; Jesus "Cristo" Lopez Garcia. Chuy Cristo for his 12 compadres.

He was a diver.

[jimboston]

in africa there was no religion until the missionaries brought christianity to them.

Wow... and to think I thought that had some religion.

Paganism maybe?

In the northern parts and northeast maybe a few Muslims?

Naw... they had no religion at all.

[billy07]

in africa there was no religion until the missionaries brought christianity to them. the vast majority of africans now practice christianity alot more than white people (british), so if they want to turn jesus black thats fine by me. he is what you want to believe he is.

Yes of course there were no indigenous religions in Africa before the white men came calling, also Islam didn't predate Christianity on that continent and it doesn't still equal Christianity as the widest practised religion in Africa today.

yes they had voodoo, witchdoctors, lots of different gods to pray to etc etc. however, the question is 'what colour is jesus?' maybe i should've worded it correctly but i'm a lazy bugger when it comes to typing.

just to be pendantic though. i'd bet that christianity was practiced on some level in africa before islam. maybe not by the indigenous people but by someone.