American gun culture

[Phatscotty]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.

At least you admit you were wrong. We are making progress

[Phatscotty]

I'm sure the whole story would be that he didn't actually have any money on him(he was at home in a low-rent/high crime neighborhood). You know, in the kind of place where you leave you're wallet inside and take your gun with you when you step out for a smoke...Want me to break down the neighborhood for you?(cuz I will )

It's almost like you're saying he deserved to be shot for not having his money on him when a super-special guy with a gun came by and told him to hand it over.

I am not too concerned about how a pussy might feel about this.

[PLAYER57832]

Typical CC poster: "I don't get it! Why didn't he just drop his weapons and kneel? Then he would live! What a tard!"

Answer: FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yep, there is a lot of freedom in a graveyard.

[Phatscotty]

At the battle of Thermopylae king Leonidas was confronted with a far superior force which was better armed and had a much more intrinsic supply chain, before the battle he's approached by the "king" of the Persians who made him a simple offer "lay down your arms and embrace me, I shall make you the lord of all of Greece! The very Mediterranean will bow low to you!"

Leonidas looks back to his pitifully small band of resistance fighters, insurgents if you will, most of which have been his close, personal friends since boyhood, and to a man they unwaveringly meet his gaze. He lowers his gaze and for a moment contemplates the offer, that his friends and family should survive, that his culture would live another century. At that moment an unidentified man amongst his ranks draws his sword. In the deathly calm before battle the sound of the sword being drawn from its scabbard brought him back to reality, not only with it's familiar sound but also with the connotation it brings: as long as we hold arms, we hold our own destiny in our hands, no man shall be our master unless we CHOOSE to obey.

The Great King turns to the Master of Persia and, facing certain death of himself and everyone he's ever known, screams "MOLON LABE!" and charges headlong into battle followed by those who would rather die then be ruled by a virtue to which they do not swear allegiance, to be told how to live and who to pay tribute to. To some, there are worse things then death.

To those who've fought for and won their own place in this world, who've watched their friends bleed out into the dirt until breath escapes them, to those that have carried Last Letters to the families who cared, in the name of what WE believe in, our arms ARE NOT a tool, they are the very symbol of our freedom no different then the Statue of Liberty, the bald eagle or the White House.

Typical CC poster: "I don't get it! Why didn't he just drop his weapons and kneel? Then he would live! What a tard!"

Answer: FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yep, there is a lot of freedom in a graveyard.

If anything is worth dying for, it is freedom.

[PLAYER57832]

Typical CC poster: "I don't get it! Why didn't he just drop his weapons and kneel? Then he would live! What a tard!"

Answer: FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yep, there is a lot of freedom in a graveyard.

If anything is worth dying for, it is freedom.

I believe you missed the point. Dying instead of handing over a couple hundred bucks is stupidity, not "freedom". Freedom IS worth fighting for, but not stupidity.

[Phatscotty]

Typical CC poster: "I don't get it! Why didn't he just drop his weapons and kneel? Then he would live! What a tard!"

Answer: FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yep, there is a lot of freedom in a graveyard.

If anything is worth dying for, it is freedom.

I believe you missed the point. Dying instead of handing over a couple hundred bucks is stupidity, not "freedom". Freedom IS worth fighting for, but not stupidity.

I believe I was the one making the point. This gets old Player and no matter what you say, people can be alive and free.

I mean, how free is someone who must hand over all their money whenever a criminal demands it? WTF are you kidding me? Nobody wants to live in that world, except for you and Woodruff.

Stupidity is handing over 100$ to a thief, and thinking they aren't going to be back tomorrow asking for another $100.

Player, have you ever in your life saw or heard of the lunch money bully? No? How about "Give them a cookie, they are going to want some milk too?" Stupidity, oh yes, sweet stupidity.

[BigBallinStalin]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.

At least you admit you were wrong. We are making progress

What does the Broken Clock analogy mean?

[Army of GOD]

There's an obvious fundamental disagreement here. Liberals are pussies and conservatives are idiots.

I'm not sure which one is worse.

[Woodruff]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?

OIC. Let the criminals take over. Whenever someone tries to rob you, just give the robber your money and your car.
Woodruff's motto: "Go ahead fellas! Tread on me! Yeah! Tread the shit out of me baby!"

I do sincerely hope that you're not this thoroughly irrational in real life. I mean...this is just a caricature of you, right? Please tell me it is.

I know you like to pretend that you know a lot more than I do about dangerous situations and what the appropriate/best reaction to them is, but you're so clearly full of bullshit on the subject that it's really quite overwhelming.

I mean, how free is someone who must hand over all their money whenever a criminal demands it? WTF are you kidding me? Nobody wants to live in that world, except for you and Woodruff.

Why do you insist on being a dumbshit, PhatScotty? Is it some sort of congenital condition that you can't seem to overcome?

Damn, mod edit

[Aradhus]

There's an obvious fundamental disagreement here. Liberals are pussies and conservatives are idiots.

I'm not sure which one is worse.

I think you've got that backwards. Conservatives are pussies who need to own guns to feel safe(and help deal with the obvious insecurities found in most gun owners) And Liberals are idiots because they argue with conservatives on topics like 'is more gun control necessary'.

[Phatscotty]

[Phatscotty]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?

Calling people names and fomenting hate is super smart of you though. You said in your post that you should just hand the cash over to the criminal. That is as irrational as it gets. There is no way around that one, (unless you call people names n stuff!)

[Woodruff]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?

Calling people names and fomenting hate is super smart of you though. You said in your post that you should just hand the cash over to the criminal. That is as irrational as it gets. There is no way around that one, (unless you call people names n stuff!)

It's not irrational at all. I'm sorry that you believe your life is only worth the $100 you have in your wallet at the time, but I happen to recognize that my life is worth far more than that. Only an idiot endangers their life unnecessarily. Like I said, I know you like to pretend that you know more than I do about how to react in a dangerous situation, but you consistently say things on the subject that make no rational sense.

As far as calling you names, it seems like the only response that makes sense when all you can seem to do is make up lies about me. Perhaps if you stopped lying and tried to actually discuss the issue like a rational adult instead of a three year old child, you might find that you don't have people react to you as if you're a three year old child.

[Phatscotty]

I don't even ever respond to you. You are the one always responding to me, always harassing me.

You only have me responding now because you are insulting the shit out of me for the sake of insulting someone and I stand up to hatred and flaming. You have nothing to say about the issue, you only say things about me.

Good day

[Phatscotty]

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.

At least you admit you were wrong. We are making progress

What does the Broken Clock analogy mean?

It means that we can protect ourselves from robbers and muggers and rapists and murderers, and especially protect ourselves from people who try to infringe on our second amendment rights. I know to you guys this is just idiotic psycho babble, but they are inalienable rights. Criticize me for standing up for them all you like. Say what you want it doesn't matter to me. I know my rights, I have my rights, and I will keep my rights no matter what haters try to say or do.



The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance

[Woodruff]

I don't even ever respond to you.

Of course you don't...everyone on this site recognizes that you do your damndest to ignore anything that shows your arguments to be the tripe that they are. Nobody expects you to do anything with sound counter-arguments but ignore them.

You are the one always responding to me, always harassing me.
You only have me responding now because you are insulting the shit out of me for the sake of insulting someone and I stand up to hatred and flaming. You have nothing to say about the issue, you only say things about me.
Good day

I don't insult you for the sake of insulting someone. I insult you because you truly deserve nothing but insults. You're nothing but a troll. Based on the statements that you make in these fora and the lengths you go to in order to ignore relevant information...if you were any less intelligent, you would have to be watered twice per week.

the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.

sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.

At least you admit you were wrong. We are making progress

What does the Broken Clock analogy mean?

It means that we can protect ourselves from robbers and muggers and rapists and murderers, and especially protect ourselves from people who try to infringe on our second amendment rights. I know to you guys this is just idiotic psycho babble, but they are inalienable rights. Criticize me for standing up for them all you like. Say what you want it doesn't matter to me. I know my rights, I have my rights, and I will keep my rights no matter what haters try to say or do.

You may believe you know all of those things, but you don't seem to know what the Broken Clock Analogy means.

[Phatscotty]

It's too bad only a couple posters have even talked about the topic and all the rest is a bunch of blathering about nothingness, flaming, and trolling. It was a good fantasy thread Symm!

In closing

[Woodruff]

It's too bad only a couple posters have even talked about the topic and all the rest is a bunch of blathering about nothingness, flaming, and trolling. It was a good fantasy thread Symm!

Yes, you should definitely stop blathering about nothingness, flaming and trolling, Phatscotty. It'd be a nice change of pace.

Now, would you care to respond to the actual points that I've made, or did you just want to continue with your pity party about how I'm always just picking on you?

[HapSmo19]

Now, would you care to respond to the actual points that I've made...?

You made actual points?

[Phatscotty]

What I did was post a piece of evidence proving my point. Bottom of page 4.

Your response to my evidence was to make 3 or 4 expletive laden posts all about me and how stupid I am.

[HapSmo19]

Woodruff's motto: "Go ahead fellas! Tread on me! Yeah! Tread the shit out of me baby!"

We need to design that flag for him.

[BigBallinStalin]

The Broken Clock analogy:


A broken clock is correct two times a day, but every other time is incorrect. In other words, there are instances when a certain stance is correct, but most of the time, it isn't.

Phatscotty cites one example of how a gun presumably saved someone's life in order to prove his point that bearing arms is generally safer for the gun-bearer. "Presumably" because the Hero was shot in the stomach as well--probably when he pulled out his pistol... And if not, there's still a high chance that violence will escalate when both have a gun anyway.


You cited just one example, Phatsco; that's it. Do you really think that's enough to prove your point, or is this another weak attempt at trolling?

[Phatscotty]

The Broken Clock analogy:


A broken clock is correct two times a day, but every other time is incorrect. In other words, there are instances when a certain stance is correct, but most of the time, it isn't.

Phatscotty cites one example of how a gun presumably saved someone's life in order to prove his point that bearing arms is generally safer for the gun-bearer. "Presumably" because the Hero was shot in the stomach as well--probably when he pulled out his pistol... And if not, there's still a high chance that violence will escalate when both have a gun anyway.


You cited just one example, Phatsco; that's it. Do you really think that's enough to prove your point, or is this another weak attempt at trolling?

The victim might have done well to "fantasize" pretending to hand his wallet over but instead unloading a clip. He was able to use the gun to keep his life and his wallet, obvisouly (ya know, they already shot him...and were going to leave him for dead....). The violence is escalated the moment a criminal decides to commit a crime, not the moment the victim tries to protect themselves.

Results: Victim keeps his life, Murdering mugger loses his. What is the problem? If you ask me, the victim of this crime has saved countless lives. If the murdering thief did not get the money he needed, he was most likely on his way to rob another person, no? How about the next time the murderer needs some money? Tomorrow night? Remember, stealing money is easy because everyone is supposed to just hand over the cash right? The easier it is to steal cash, the more people are going to steal it. no?

The day people fear defending themselves from harm because they fear escalation of violence is the day criminals will rule.

And as for this most recent example, there are always examples. it's not just one. I can tell you first hand accounts, but won't. This most recent self defense story is at least the 5th or 6th one I have seen in this forum, and that's usually only when there is a gun thread going.

The reality is this thread was created, and it only took about 48 hours for fresh evidence to surface. Guns for self defense is a reality, and denying that is beyond me, so there is just gonna have to be disagreement, as always.

[BigBallinStalin]

John Lott, who wrote More Guns, Less Crime, provided much more evidence than you--concerning more guns bringing less crime, and he still hasn't ended the debate because his methods were questionable.

The truth is that no one is really sure--not even the experts, so why should anyone spend additional time debating this issue with you?

[KoolBak]

You guys just enjoy arguing Get married...stay married 20+ years......then you'll look here for other kinds of entertainment

*continues cleaning guns*