Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[zimmah]

Win conditions:

the green faction had a complicated win condition, but this was balanced by their great survivabilty (however people REALLY wanted them dead in this game unfortunatly)

the conditions were:
- Both Vigs needed to die
- Count Paris needed to die
- Romeo, Juliet and Brother Lorenzo needed to be alive
- If the above conditions are met, any day after that ends in a no-lynch would win them the game. (succesfully restored peace)
- If the above conditions are impossable because one of their essential party members died, they'd get an alternative win condition, at the end of this post)

Romeo was allowed to hide each odd night, making him untargetable by the Montegue Vig (who was only able to kill on odd nights) while the Montegue Doc was able to protect him on Even nights, if the Montegue Doc would find out he's a montegue (Brother John only reported Montegue, Capulet or No-Family, but it would not report anyone in the R&J Faction, that's why romeo was flagged as a Montegue) It would probably be smart to play as a montegue and ask for protection from them at least long enough to win the game, as the R&J faction needed some time to claim their win, as 3 players needed to die.

Juliet would revive if she died for whatever reason (she'd take a fake poison, even when she'd be lynched, she'd take the poison before the lynch would happen) she'd revive in 24 hours after that (however based on the play i think 48 hours would be more appropriate) EXCEPT if either romeo or Lorenzo are dead. If romeo died, she'd suicide (she'd kill herself in the same way romeo died, as in the play, in the play she technically did not die from the same cause as romeo, but she attempted to poison herself with the poison that killed romeo, after that failed she stabbed herself with his dagger)

Brother Lorenzo was completely invinsable until Prince Escalus died, after that, he'd be a regular VT, except that he also was a priest (could not hammer) and he activated the revival ability of Juliet, as well as the win condition for their faction)

Prince Escalus could prevent a lynch to save himself, and if he know who his party members were, he could save them too.

i hoped these safety measures would be enough to keep them alive a bit longer.

Montegues/Capulets

they simply had to kill the other family (not including Romeo or Juliet, however, they both didn't know that Romeo/Juliet were not counted as their family)

Survivors

Just regular survivors

Alternate endings/shared win conditions:

If Romeo or Juliet died, they'd both die, however if the rest of their party was still alive, they'd became regular survivors, they'd lose their protection too, however Prince Escalus would still have his 2 denies (however he'd not automatically save himself anymore)

If Brother Lorenzo died (which happened) R&J would become survivors, they'd just marry each other after one of the families died and live somewhere far away, Juliet would lose her reviver ability, they'd both be allowed to talk each night instead of every other night, but romeo would still have his hide ability.

Brother John was able to win together with all factions, however Count Paris could only win together with both of the families, as his death was a requirement of the win condition of R&J. R&J could technically 'win' (as survivors) together with the families, however their main WC was to restore peace.

If R&J would win, the ending scene would depend on who was alive, noone would really 'lose' but only the R&J faction would really 'win'. It would have been the best scenario for most of the players though.

i think i got it all covered now.

[shieldgenerator7]

wow that was so cool
Great game!

I knew the vigs alternated nights, but I didn't realize the docs did too. On the key night when General was killed, I protected him in case we could restore peace, but that must have been my night off. So I didn't doc him and he died. Oh well. I We still won. And now I'm queen! (actually that sounds so weird to me because I'm a guy but I'll just go with it for now).

I think the masons was a good idea, tho I couldn't figure out how it fit into our charts.

And no apothecary?

Also I completely called it that there were 6 members of each family. Altho R&J didn't count, I thought they did when I made that estimate.

Are you going to name MVP or should we vote on it?

I really enjoyed this game

-SG7 ( )

[zimmah]

you can vote on mvps

[SPARTACUS1974]

great game i enjoyed this 1

[shieldgenerator7]

I want to say either dazza for spreading valuable info or pmc for rallying the capulets.
edoc also comes to mind for being the biggest activist for restoring peace. general also helped with this

-SG7 ( )

[SPARTACUS1974]

im thinking the general wow was his role hard lol
and it nearly drove him insane ,
dazza had a great role and his info was vital.

[jgordon1111]

Edoc for trying and fighting that hard to bring enough players around to his WC

[dazza2008]

Great game Zimmah

I'm glad they never restored peace. Peace is boring

[dazza2008]

Also I would say edoc or pmc for MVP. Edoc lost but he played it well. Just happened that the numbers wen against him.

pmc helped loads to clear things up and help us move forward.

I really enjoyed my role. I shat my pants when it looked like I was for the lynch day 1 though

[zimmah]

i also think edoc did very well, he was just quite unlucky that a mayority of the players wanted him dead and he was voted down even before he had a chance to speak.

[alt1978]

Great game zimmah...that was good fun. I can verify that the capulet masons were using our power of discussion quite liberally. Thanks zimmah...thanks also to pmc for clearing so much up for me and teaching me a ton about the game.

I vote pmc for mvp...but i'm probably biased since i was masoned with him.

Anyway, great time.
Thanks again for the game.

[pmchugh]

Great game zimmah...that was good fun. I can verify that the capulet masons were using our power of discussion quite liberally. Thanks zimmah...thanks also to pmc for clearing so much up for me and teaching me a ton about the game.

I vote pmc for mvp...but i'm probably biased since i was masoned with him.

Anyway, great time.
Thanks again for the game.

Your very welcome!

Also fantastic game zimmah I had great fun trying to find the vig and then trying to save him when I realised I had been partially duped by edoc and thegeneral.

My mvp would go to either (biased again) but alt because he argued in our pm's that we should try for a the capulet win and that it was possible (at first I thought we had no chance with alternating night kills) as well as staying under the radar as a capulet. Edoc and thegeneral also get a nomination for controlling the families really well, they looked certain to win at one point.

Good game all

[spoiler=My notes on game]Capulet (5)
me mason

alt-mason
(check for affiliation with general)
seems uninformed about cap vig and probably non-family due to bargianing with mont family- what do i know!

newguy- dunno wat to make of him--- Juliet
fos at ghost- maybe doesnt want to vote as they are masons but he disagrees?
seems to pretend to be a family member at least
possibly vig
believes general

chapcrap- Vig suspect number 1. family member, seems to have a thing against edoc, perhaps he is
vig

shieldgenerator7- probably harmless cap.
suspected capulet killerjuliet, confirmed family member
wants role of monteague in the open- he is probably capulet
naive post on who is likely to be killers- either faked or he is a servant on the other side
(check for julietness, i.e. alignment with edoc)

Montagues (5)
edoc - romeo? romeo! claims survivor/no night action. (pop opinion: mercutio...romeo's body guard)

clever- confirmed dead vig

jgordon- claimed Lord M, roleblocker

ghost
he has a mason
agreed with chapcrap
Either chaprcrap or bleed green

bleed green- suspected mason partner and montague

Third Party green(3)
Eldario- dead prince, protected general

general- mod confirmed brother lor

Third Party Other(3)
Dazza- mod confirmed brother john

Lee- 3rd party apothecary? seems to think that there are a lot of third party people
possible vig, possibly has an odd role

spartacus is not romeo, juliet or green aligned third party.
voted general
general dislike for greens

no survivors- confirmed third party modified busdriver

Vig Suspects:
Chapc= too anti geneal to be juliet
sg7 - cap
leehar -anti-general vote, protects edoc. Either juliet or other 3rd party. Probably orange
newguy -- juliet
spartacus -- doesnt seem like the vig.

each house must have two masons, a vig, a doctor a roleblocker and r or j (6)
or jgordon lied[/spoiler]

[safariguy5]

Finally a win as 3rd party survivor. I've had terrible luck with them, I think I'm 1-5 now. I seemed to have replaced too late to really influence the game much besides voting power, so I'll vote for pmc for MVP because he steered the lynches.

[dazza2008]

Finally a win as 3rd party survivor. I've had terrible luck with them, I think I'm 1-5 now. I seemed to have replaced too late to really influence the game much besides voting power, so I'll vote for pmc for MVP because he steered the lynches.

I think that is my first win as 3rd party survivor too. Second time lucky for me.

[Leehar]

I was kinda rooting for the 4th party to win, but was just easier to go with the flow, and I'm king now so s'all good

[chapcrap]

The game probably shouldn't have been over. I actually didn't reach my WC.

All Montegues were supposed to be dead for me to win.

Also, those of you voting for edoc or general as the MVP: Losers should not get the MVP.

Additionally, I think it was silly to alternate vig kills without actually telling the vigs. What was the point of that?

[zimmah]

The game probably shouldn't have been over. I actually didn't reach my WC.

All Montegues were supposed to be dead for me to win.

Also, those of you voting for edoc or general as the MVP: Losers should not get the MVP.

Additionally, I think it was silly to alternate vig kills without actually telling the vigs. What was the point of that?

i explained that in a previous post.

i also disagree with losers not being allowed to MVP. a good player can lose even though he played very well, you can't control everything.

and i chose to endgame it because the montegues had no real way of winning anymore, even the two masons in the capulet side would eventually be able to win the game if needed, and capulet had ther whole house while montegue only had 2 players left, and pmc (and probably others) knew exactly who was in which team. it would have just taken 1 more speedlynch day like the last 2 and another predicatable night.

no need to prolong the game when the outcome is clear.

[chapcrap]

The game probably shouldn't have been over. I actually didn't reach my WC.

All Montegues were supposed to be dead for me to win.

Also, those of you voting for edoc or general as the MVP: Losers should not get the MVP.

Additionally, I think it was silly to alternate vig kills without actually telling the vigs. What was the point of that?

i explained that in a previous post.

i also disagree with losers not being allowed to MVP. a good player can lose even though he played very well, you can't control everything.

and i chose to endgame it because the montegues had no real way of winning anymore, even the two masons in the capulet side would eventually be able to win the game if needed, and capulet had ther whole house while montegue only had 2 players left, and pmc (and probably others) knew exactly who was in which team. it would have just taken 1 more speedlynch day like the last 2 and another predicatable night.

no need to prolong the game when the outcome is clear.

You didn't explain it in a previous post. You explained why it was like that for balance reasons. You didn't explain why the vigs were left in the dark about it. If you would have let the game run its course before ending it early, safari would not have won as third party. He was likely going to be lynched today. So, the winners would have been different.

[pmchugh]

I disagree we were a faction, if a faction + survivors has 50% of players then they win.

[DoomYoshi]

This game seems like it just started. Congrats to those who won. I am curious to see edoc's postgame comments.

[dazza2008]

I am curious to see edoc's postgame comments.

Me too. Generals too. Did he not promise "Someone is going to get verbally ass fucked"

[zimmah]

The game probably shouldn't have been over. I actually didn't reach my WC.

All Montegues were supposed to be dead for me to win.

Also, those of you voting for edoc or general as the MVP: Losers should not get the MVP.

Additionally, I think it was silly to alternate vig kills without actually telling the vigs. What was the point of that?

i explained that in a previous post.

i also disagree with losers not being allowed to MVP. a good player can lose even though he played very well, you can't control everything.

and i chose to endgame it because the montegues had no real way of winning anymore, even the two masons in the capulet side would eventually be able to win the game if needed, and capulet had ther whole house while montegue only had 2 players left, and pmc (and probably others) knew exactly who was in which team. it would have just taken 1 more speedlynch day like the last 2 and another predicatable night.

no need to prolong the game when the outcome is clear.

You didn't explain it in a previous post. You explained why it was like that for balance reasons. You didn't explain why the vigs were left in the dark about it. If you would have let the game run its course before ending it early, safari would not have won as third party. He was likely going to be lynched today. So, the winners would have been different.

you could be right about the survivors indeed. maybe i did end it prematurely, but the game was basically 'over'.

and i didn't tell the vigs because i wanted to let them figure it out themselves. some people realised it and posted in the forums that they thought the vigs had alternating nights, you didn't seem to pick it up or believe it though.

i did write that some roles may have twists, known or unknown.

i also think this theme could also be used as a more open setup, where you have 3 or 4 possible role combinations that are known from the start, and one of those role combinations is chosen at random. (like a c9)

[edocsil]

This game seems like it just started. Congrats to those who won. I am curious to see edoc's postgame comments.

RAAAAAAGE!!!!

Absolutely NO WAY for my original WC to happen due to events under my control.

IF Paris randomly died, and Juliet, I and Lawrence AND the Governor all lived (i didn't know governor existed) we could have done a gov style NL to win. Otherwise I basically have to convince 10 odd guys or so to do a NL. Hard to sell.


Oh, here is the trick, if I won, every surviving family member lost. So I had to get this WC done before one family was wiped out, and convince every survive family member to lose.

And I am a MOTHER FUCKING HIDER/LOVER. One who could hide every other night.

I mean, Jesus.

So the Lawrence dies (He had to live as per my WC) Guess what happens? All I have to do is live till the end of the game to win.

WHAT THE f*ck!

So it goes from impossible to embarrassingly easy. Anyone think my gameplay MIGHT have been just a touch different if I knew I just had to hide to win???

And then I was speed lynched. Thanks guys.

Now I am just venting pretty hardcore, but DAMN this game has me pulling out my hair. 4 roughly equal factions is a bear to balance, but my WC was as it is, and the others had to merely survive/kill off another faction. I had no kill, no nothing. I was a little hard to kill, so was general, but for fucks sake with incompatible WCs from the rest of you this was never, ever going to end with me and Juliet wining.


Ever.

[TheGeneral2112]

Hey I would be interested in hearing your post game comments, the game is now over.

Ghostly, bleed_green, newguy1, if you are easily offended, don't read this.

[spoiler=Endgame Comments]

Vote count

[2] edocsil - ghostly, pmc,(L-6)
[5] nosurvivors safariguy - alt1978, edoc, gen, jgor, sparta (L-3)
[2] chapcrap - leehar, sg7, (L-6)

This is the vote count when there was no lynch? Who is going to get verbally assfucked?

1) ghostly
2) bleed_green
3) newguy1

1) You're fucking retarded. YOU VOTED AGAINST THE ONLY FUCKING HOPE YOU HAD OF WINNING THIS GAME!!! I can't even put into words how fucking stupid your play was. THERE WAS NO POSSIBLE WAY YOU COULD WIN ON YOUR OWN!!!!! Do you want to know why you are number one? These are a few fucking awesome quotes from you on D3 where you proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you lack the mental faculties necessary to win this game.

Woah. You mad bro?

Thanks. Dick. How am I so thickheaded?

This is when you got a little pissy after I raged at you tunneling Edoc. I love this one.

I side with chapcrap here. And I regret outting my own damned vig. Please point EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE END. Because right now, I think zimmah would say it in our role pm's saying "There is an alternate ending" or something of the sort.

Then here you are siding with the faction that wins when you are dead. Specifically, the member of the faction who kills you 2 nights later.

2) You're fucking retarded. Your hardcore lurking is what killed not only your faction, but mine as well. If you had fucking participated enough to learn you no longer had a possibility of achieving your win condition, you would have fucking voted instead of lurking like a bitch. Seriously, f*ck you.

Alright so I am all caught up on this now... Quite a bit going on here lol

Leehar: Otherwise, if we're leaning towards no lynch, then it doesn't hurt to confirm Generals claim.

I agree with this if we are currently in a stale mate and moving towards a no lynch day, better to see if his claim is true versus not lynching him and finding out later that he lied about it. Plus is so adamant about being invincible so he should not mind it at all.
Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins
Dazza role I believe right now can be extremely helpful if you proceed with caution cause potential he could completely out your fraction in a couple nights
This is just a flavour spec. But to me it seems that we are starting at the beginning of the story where R&J have not met as of yet, so as I read back that the friars and conditions to win would be to introduce them or something along those lines which would fit Generals claim since he is looking for specific people. Romeo and Juliets win condition could be based on their family eliminating the other.

Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins

This is untrue. It should be easily evidenced by my words so far that my WC is not the same as the Montague's. I love how my JG vote has gotten totally ignored in favor of flav spec.

Your JG vote did not get ignored, I can see where he is coming from not wanting to allow Dazza to live due to the fact that who ever he reports can potentially give out valuable information. I see this but right now I also see that the information provided can be very valuable in the early stages. (double edge sword)

Idk what it is, you always seem so scummy to me I think this is the third game in a row.Also, dollars to doughnuts says you are a Vig for one of the families. I aught to tell you that your allies WC isn't the same as yours. Gosh, perhaps I am third time lucky.

Edoc how are able to determine that his WC is not the same as his allies?

Just a heads up, I will be out of town until Tuesday...

So I have been sitting here pretty slightly and just following along waiting for a slip up... Sorry I will just have to confirm my notes tomorrow at work but Chap if you do not name claim you will pretty much force my hand to vote for you

With time running out, I would like to give Saf the ability to contact the mod and get his night actions to share with us if indeed he is a busdriver.

That is all you posted in this entire game. f*ck you.

3) You're fucking retarded. Please read my comments to bleed_green.

i read and saw my name. as of right now, after seeing the general only had two caps left to count, and chapcrap seems to have given away that he is the vig, i believe chap to be the vig. i am however, going to read again to make sure that i place my vote correctly, and so i will most likely be posting a vote for him, as well as my reasoning being what was said above (by many other people). get back to you in a little while, once i read my other forums and such.

You didn't do shit on D3 and as a result, lost the game. YOU WERE JULIET, YOU STUPID f*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY THE f*ck WOULD YOU NOT VOTE WITH YOUR FACTION?!?!?!?!?



If these three players had used just a fucking ounce of their brain, they would have voted with Edoc and I. Newguy should have voted with us because he was a part of our faction. Ghostly and bleed green had no choice but to vote with us since they had ZERO hope of winning without us. This is why this game was a trainwreck.[/spoiler]

[pmchugh]

Kinda wished I hadn't asked. It is fair enough to criticise a persons play or lack of activity but you don't need to stoop to saying, "You're fucking retarded".