Random of all Random

[Chewie1]

In light of the pantomime that was CCUP4 voting thread DBC would like to make a challenge to an ELITIST clan:

NO SCRIPTED BS just keep it random baby.

[spoiler=THE CHALLENGE]25 1v1 games, random players, random map, random settings.
25 2v2 games, random players, random map, random settings.
25 3v3 games, random players, random map, random settings.
25 4v4 games, random players, random map, random settings.
1 4v4 game (if necessary), picked players, random map, random settings.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=HOW IT WORKS]1) 1) Players: each clan submits a list of eligible players. There are 250 player spots in the proposed method. Assign each player a number then randomize that for all 250 player slots. The first 25 would be the 1v1 for each team, 26-75 the doubles pairs, 76-150 the triples teams, and 151-250 the quads teams. When a number comes up more than once in a pairing (for example, if you get a quad team of 1, 1, 2, and 4, you simply skip the duplicate number and add one more to the bottom). This system means it's truly random who plays who, but obviously not all players would get the same number of games. That's particularly tricky for freemiums, but there is a work-around for that too, based on proper scheduling.

2) Maps: random map setting on CC.

3) Settings: same as players. As the above plan calls for 100 games, you simply assign a number to each applicable setting (1 for escalating, 2 for flat rate, 3 for no spoils, and 4 for nuclear, for example) then at random.org ask it to provide 100 integers between 1 and 4. Then you apply them to games as they come up. The same can be done for reinforcements, trench, and fog, and even freestyle and manual if we choose to allow them.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=TERMS]Day 1: Clans agree to terms.
1 : Clans each submit a list of eligible players between 8 and 16, along with up to 2 designated game creators.
2 : [player]denominator[/player] submits a spreadsheet of all 100 games with players and settings.
3 : Games start at a pace of 16 per week (8 created by each clan - 2 each of 1v1, doubles, triples, quadruples).[/spoiler]

DBC will hold their own against any clan with this. We are all great players, just we suck at playing scripted maps that the other clan picks out.

So who out there is brave enough to take on the Random challenge DBC style. (The CCUP4 cup final that never was!)

[Juan_Bottom]

This forum needs more traffic lights. It's so busy.

[patrickaa317]

There's actually 250 spots per clan.

25*1= 25
25*2= 50
25*3= 75
25*4=100

[Chewie1]

There's actually 250 spots per clan.

25*1= 25
25*2= 50
25*3= 75
25*4=100

Yes thanks have edited the op.

[notyou2]

Looks like they are all scared.

[Chewie1]

Over 90 views no takers.

C'mon top clans, too difficult a challenge for you?

[Vid_FISO]

DBC will hold their own against any clan with this.

You reckon? If (when) they all knock you back then give us a shout, we need to get more maps and varied settings into our lower ranks

[denominator]

DBC will hold their own against any clan with this.

You reckon? If (when) they all knock you back then give us a shout, we need to get more maps and varied settings into our lower ranks

Then put your money where your mouth is. Don't talk shit and then sit back and watch.

[Vid_FISO]

DBC will hold their own against any clan with this.

You reckon? If (when) they all knock you back then give us a shout, we need to get more maps and varied settings into our lower ranks

Then put your money where your mouth is. Don't talk shit and then sit back and watch.

Well, we are an elite clan, but not in the way the Chewie meant
We'd be happy to play but we're not what Chewie's after with the challenge.

[crispybits]

Yeah but we all know the top clans are far too <<insert word here to your liking>> to accept a challenge like this

Bring it DBC - we're the only ones so far to show any willingness to take you on!

[eddie2]

Over 90 views no takers.

C'mon top clans, too difficult a challenge for you?

Lol maybe they thought it was a all random cup

[silversun6]

where were you when the random league started if you are so into random ?

Osa has 4 wars now (not counting RL3 & CL5) and 2 coming up , no way to add one more now..

[jsnyder748]

its funny how all you guys care so much about this elitest crap....its online risk people

plus what silver said there is already a random league most clans are in....i think

[Chewie1]

its funny how all you guys care so much about this elitest crap....its online risk people

plus what silver said there is already a random league most clans are in....i think

Want to go to war then?

[denominator]

its funny how all you guys care so much about this elitest crap....its online risk people

plus what silver said there is already a random league most clans are in....i think

where were you when the random league started if you are so into random ?

Osa has 4 wars now (not counting RL3 & CL5) and 2 coming up , no way to add one more now..

The Random League only uses random maps. Clans are still allowed to pick their teams and settings. So it is only partially random, not completely random like we have proposed.

[chapcrap]

Yeah but we all know the top clans are far too <<insert word here to your liking>> AWESOME to accept a challenge like this

Bring it DBC - we're the only ones so far to show any willingness to take you on!

Done.

where were you when the random league started if you are so into random ?

Osa has 4 wars now (not counting RL3 & CL5) and 2 coming up , no way to add one more now..

This is true. We have CL5, RL3, Empire, VVV, TSM, and CC4, plus negotiations with another clan. Our guys don't want anything else right now.

[Chewie1]

Yeah but we all know the top clans are far too <<insert word here to your liking>> AWESOME to accept a challenge like this

Bring it DBC - we're the only ones so far to show any willingness to take you on!

Done.

where were you when the random league started if you are so into random ?

Osa has 4 wars now (not counting RL3 & CL5) and 2 coming up , no way to add one more now..

This is true. We have CL5, RL3, Empire, VVV, TSM, and CC4, plus negotiations with another clan. Our guys don't want anything else right now.

We could postdate the start of the war OSA/FALLEN so to fit in your hectic schedules if your want to put us in our place

[jsnyder748]

its funny how all you guys care so much about this elitest crap....its online risk people

plus what silver said there is already a random league most clans are in....i think

Want to go to war then?

I like playing a lot vs anyone, but my clan doesn't do too many challenges at one time like OSA and I dont mind being in only 2-3 challenges at a time because I can just play random stuff. It would be up to mudpuppy and everyone else

[Swimmerdude99]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

[Chewie1]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

[IcePack]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

Well if you truly want truly random perhaps you should make a list of clans and randomly select your opponent. By excluding so many clans and only targeting a top elitist clan you are removing an element of random as well.

[Chewie1]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

Well if you truly want truly random perhaps you should make a list of clans and randomly select your opponent. By excluding so many clans and only targeting a top elitist clan you are removing an element of random as well.

But couldnt do that as the elitist clans would insist on being seeded

[Swimmerdude99]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

Because 1v1s would make it too random. You might as well just draw straws to determine who wins in a 1v1. Then again maybe you should do that for the whole challenge if you don't mind 25 of the games being based on dice

[denominator]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

Because 1v1s would make it too random. You might as well just draw straws to determine who wins in a 1v1. Then again maybe you should do that for the whole challenge if you don't mind 25 of the games being based on dice

So you actually believe that there is no skill in winning a 1v1 game?

[Swimmerdude99]

Suppose someone were to offer you a challenge if the 1v1s were taken away and each player were only allowed to play X number of times so that everyone got to play almost equal amount of games?

Wouldnt be truly random then would it.

Why drop the 1v1 s?

Because 1v1s would make it too random. You might as well just draw straws to determine who wins in a 1v1. Then again maybe you should do that for the whole challenge if you don't mind 25 of the games being based on dice

So you actually believe that there is no skill in winning a 1v1 game?

If both players know what they are doing it is 100% skill. I'd say on the whole a 1v1 match is gonna be 80% luck and 20% skill.