Jonty125's Mad Mafia Game Over

[nagerous]

Could also be opening ourselves for a trap here. If virus isn't a one shot vig but a mafia assassin giving them an extra kill one night it would be game over for us on the town side.

[Lootifer]

Presumably you guys want me to target kgb to chat with to verify my claim?

no... if you target kgb and I busdrive him, then you'll get whomever I switch him with. You should target safari, who will be protected by the doc. So then you have no excuses of saying you tried to recruit someone who died, or that no-one was recruited because I switched kgb with one of you three (which is what you were hoping would happen I assume)

Ah ok. Never played with a bus driver. Twists my noodle a little bit.

Could also be opening ourselves for a trap here. If virus isn't a one shot vig but a mafia assassin giving them an extra kill one night it would be game over for us on the town side.

Ew is that a real role? I could be convinced to vote if you guys think that's a real risk. To me I am not so sure since mafia NK + kamakazi + mafia vig/assassin is a lot of killing capability.

[Anarkistsdream]

I don't believe there is a mafia at all... Not with Metsfan

[Nebuchadnezer]

I'll follow safariguy with a list of my own. From Most Town (1) to Most Scum (7). I'll leave myself out, as I hate when people put themselves as town. You guys can comment on me yourselves.

1. safariguy5 - Town cop. There has to be one, right?
2. kgb007 - Town Doc. There has to be one, and safariguy investigated him.
From those two, it gets a little sketchy:
3. Lootifer - Encryptor. Had recruited Anarkistsdream and nagerous to his "cult." He has no ability to clear his recruits as "town" but yet the three of them seem totally convinced that each other are town. I can't reconcile how they are all so sure.
4. virus90 - 1 shot vig. Seems a little weak, plus we've had a JOAT, a vengeful and myself. Of course, depending on Metsfanmax's WC, maybe there needed to be a lot of shooters in order to give Mets a chance to win.
5. nagerous - Commuter. Won't tell us when he commuted...which, if he is commuter is probably a smart choice. So, we had a hider and a commuter? He's part of the trifecta with Lootifer and Anarkistsdream.
6. Hotshot53 v2.0 - Bus Driver. He claims that there were no night actions given. Therefore nothing can be confirmed. New guy was here, but sporadic in his activity. Is it possible he didn't turn in an action when he posted after the lynch on D2?
7. Anarkistsdream - Will not/can not claim. Part of the trifecta with nagerous and Lootifer.

Analysis. Obviously, the only two I trust are safariguy and kgb. I am bothered by Lootifer, nagerous and Anarkistsdream. They are adamant and fierce that they are all town, and defending each other quite extensively. Yet, they admitted that they are not told each others' alignment when they are joined. Why is this? I need to know why you three are convinced that the other two are town. I also need Anarkistsdream's claim. This just seems too fishy.

Here's my other thought. Hotshot is a bus driver...but a mafia driver. Look at the town power that we've had! Mafia needs to have something to counteract that. Driver seems like a nice counter to town's power.

I can go along with the No Lynch for today, but we are basically in a follow the cop mode then. Right now, I'm down to Anarkistsdream and Hotshot.

I'd like to hear from Anark and Hotshot...

[Nebuchadnezer]

I don't believe there is a mafia at all... Not with Metsfan

So, what's your other option? Another SK? That's a thought...which if that's the case, then we are not at LYLO (MYLO?). Recruiter? Whatcha thinking?

[Anarkistsdream]

I don't believe there is a mafia at all... Not with Metsfan

So, what's your other option? Another SK? That's a thought...which if that's the case, then we are not at LYLO (MYLO?). Recruiter? Whatcha thinking?

I don't know, bro. But seriously, I swear on my wife's life that I am town. Metsfan decimated us, but I have nothing to give town. I am just a dude with a vote.

[HotShot53]

I'll follow safariguy with a list of my own. From Most Town (1) to Most Scum (7). I'll leave myself out, as I hate when people put themselves as town. You guys can comment on me yourselves.

1. safariguy5 - Town cop. There has to be one, right?
2. kgb007 - Town Doc. There has to be one, and safariguy investigated him.
From those two, it gets a little sketchy:
3. Lootifer - Encryptor. Had recruited Anarkistsdream and nagerous to his "cult." He has no ability to clear his recruits as "town" but yet the three of them seem totally convinced that each other are town. I can't reconcile how they are all so sure.
4. virus90 - 1 shot vig. Seems a little weak, plus we've had a JOAT, a vengeful and myself. Of course, depending on Metsfanmax's WC, maybe there needed to be a lot of shooters in order to give Mets a chance to win.
5. nagerous - Commuter. Won't tell us when he commuted...which, if he is commuter is probably a smart choice. So, we had a hider and a commuter? He's part of the trifecta with Lootifer and Anarkistsdream.
6. Hotshot53 v2.0 - Bus Driver. He claims that there were no night actions given. Therefore nothing can be confirmed. New guy was here, but sporadic in his activity. Is it possible he didn't turn in an action when he posted after the lynch on D2?
7. Anarkistsdream - Will not/can not claim. Part of the trifecta with nagerous and Lootifer.

Analysis. Obviously, the only two I trust are safariguy and kgb. I am bothered by Lootifer, nagerous and Anarkistsdream. They are adamant and fierce that they are all town, and defending each other quite extensively. Yet, they admitted that they are not told each others' alignment when they are joined. Why is this? I need to know why you three are convinced that the other two are town. I also need Anarkistsdream's claim. This just seems too fishy.

Here's my other thought. Hotshot is a bus driver...but a mafia driver. Look at the town power that we've had! Mafia needs to have something to counteract that. Driver seems like a nice counter to town's power.

I can go along with the No Lynch for today, but we are basically in a follow the cop mode then. Right now, I'm down to Anarkistsdream and Hotshot.

I'd like to hear from Anark and Hotshot...

I think I've pretty much said everything I can over the last few pages... I agree that the trifecta of Lootifer, nagerous and Anarkistsdream seems like they very well could be three mafia covering for each other... but just in case one dies, they cover themselves by saying "but they could be hidden scum, even though I think they are town". And the more they talk, the more convinced I am. I don't really see what other combinations work... but then I've been wrong in some games before on things I was pretty sure of, so I'm not sure if risking a lynch of Anarkistsdream is the best move or not.

I think if we go into night we will have a very good chance of knowing if loot's claim works because he'd have to recruit someone like safari to prove it, and safari can also research someone to prove/disprove someone. The only worrying part is if the scum have something like a rollblocker that could ruin things, or another crazy role like metsfan's that could totally screw things up.

As far as new guy not taking his actions, all I know is that he was almost lynched in both this and the other game he was in for being inactive, and then almost replaced before he came back shortly, and then disappeared again. I don't know for sure that he missed his actions or if he wasn't active enough to know who to busdrive and purposefully skipped, all I know is that when I got his roll I was told he didn't take his actions either night.

So in conclusion I am currently divided whether to no-lynch or to lynch nark... I am currently leaning towards no-lynch but I will go along with whatever the majority of other players vote (especially safari and kgb)

[kgb007]

i don't agree with the no lynch for today although i don't how we're going to avoid it at this point and correctly lynch scum. there is some overlap in roles between 1shotvig/commuter/deflector.

i'm also doubting my vote on nark, going back and forth on his towniness, congrats everyone, i'm thoroughly confused and conflicted

[Anarkistsdream]

i don't agree with the no lynch for today although i don't how we're going to avoid it at this point and correctly lynch scum. there is some overlap in roles between 1shotvig/commuter/deflector.

i'm also doubting my vote on nark, going back and forth on his towniness, congrats everyone, i'm thoroughly confused and conflicted

Thanks GOD! You should feel conflicted, because you are placing a vote on a good townie, here...

As for my above posts regarding no mafia... I feel that Metsfan kind of showed us that he was third party... Notice the color of his role. If there IS a mafia, I can only possibly imagine it being two people. Anymore than that, and I daresay this game would already be over...

What we need to figure out is WHY Metsfan was the only one who killed last night. Who was blocked? Who was busdriver? and who was protected?

[virus90]

anyone saying there is no maffia should probably be lynched right away for not reading / scummarining or whatever reason.
I quote a piece of the day 3 start scene:

In another part of town, a mafia member, was walking downing the street, unaware of what was happening elsewhere, he came across his target's house. Slipped in through an open window, and threw a knife in the back of Iron Butterfly - Funske - Town JOAT who lay dead on the floor of his own home.

i also said that in the first post i made day 3. so its not 1 post that is not being read...

ok i have to read this again. WTF !its almost an achievement to not get a single maffia killed.

ok i read it again.
not that it matters much but i got the feeling everyone who visited benga got killed by metsfanmax. the way the scene is written makes me think that.was he that suspicious? that both NoS and Hotshot visited him? and what was metsfanmax victory he had to kill 3 at once? it doesnt matter much for the game i guess to discuss this. but what the hell..

IB got maffia killed as i read it, i guess maffia just took an experienced member afraid of being picked out by IB.

ok flabbergasted by this... havent seen this before..

first the no claim then this maffia... how much more confusion can you create ?
so vote anarkistdream

[Anarkistsdream]

I never read scenes... Oops. Took you long enough to notice that I can't help but feel you are searching for something.

[nagerous]

i don't agree with the no lynch for today although i don't how we're going to avoid it at this point and correctly lynch scum. there is some overlap in roles between 1shotvig/commuter/deflector.

i'm also doubting my vote on nark, going back and forth on his towniness, congrats everyone, i'm thoroughly confused and conflicted

you should be doubting it. I think it is clear who the mafia is right now

[nagerous]

Certain people aka virus will push for his lynch as his claim which apparently he can't make which I don't get is the weakest. If nark was lying and trying to pull a fast one he would definitely do it better than this and would not put his integrity on the line like the above post. I said it in another game but he wears his heart on his sleeve lol I have known him a long time and have faith in him. Others like neb makes implications that we are perhaps a cult but ultimately sits on the fence in terms of votes.. If we were a cult it would make no sense for loot to claim and then give all his members away and also like the scene suggested there is a mafia. I believe neb to be the third mafia member as Safari and KGB seem sound and lootifer has recruited me to his group and if he was mafia that would be a ridiculously broken role. Sorry for shortness and untidiness of post but I am in 35 degree heat at a national park in Thailand using their free wifi and sweating like a beast. I have said most of what I need to say it is really down to KGB and Safari as to how to play this out, we can do the gamble of the no lynch and loot recruit safari as he is protected at night if you wish, I would prefer that to anarkists lynch.

[nagerous]

The above post refers to nark swearing on family members lives

[Anarkistsdream]

The above post refers to nark swearing on family members lives

Especially my beautiful wife...

[HotShot53]

The above post refers to nark swearing on family members lives

Especially my beautiful wife...

Hmm... that's assuming you have one, you could just be swearing on something that doesn't exist to mislead us lol.

I never read scenes... Oops. Took you long enough to notice that I can't help but feel you are searching for something.

You never read scenes? How in the world do you know what's happening then? I'd have a lot easier time believing that you were purposefully trying to mislead us. This has pushed me over the top to unvote vote Anarkistsdream

[Anarkistsdream]

You are gonna jump and vote me, yet you haven't said anythig up to this point? You didn't notice either, you sonofabitch! Haha... how dare ANYbody attack me for that when it took this long, and people like Neb were even fine with that!

And I read who dies, but not the damn flavor... it colors you about stuff that usually is misleading.

[nagerous]

Hotshot throws his vote that way.. Figures. Vote count?

[nagerous]

When town lose this guys don't blame me, I have called out who the mafia is it is just down for people to listen.

[Lootifer]

Where is everyone? (including myself).

TBH I dont have a lot to say. I dont want to lynch Anark - and you have heard my reasons.

vote no lynch

[jonty125]

Vote Count
Anarkistsdream (3) - kgb007; virus90; Hotshot53;
Hotshot53 (1) - nagerous;
No Lynch (2) - safariguy5; Lootifer

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, 3 April @ 0900GMT, if the vote count were to remain so at deadline 24-hour runoff would be enforced.

[safariguy5]

I think this day can end only one of two ways. Either nark is lynched or we no lynch.

I think we have two likely scenarios here.

1. There is a mafia faction, probably 3 members. Can be a combination of several people, but it would mean a mislynch is basically game. This would push me towards no lynching to try and buy an extra day phase and to at least try and validate some of the claims.

2. There is only another SK or some other third party anti town player. I still think that no lynching is the better policy as it lengthens the amount of time I have to investigate correctly.

The third small possibility is that we have a cult, in which case we're pretty well screwed any way you look at it, and I for one welcome our new insect overlords hope to be recruited.

[kgb007]

unvote vote no lynch let's see what the night brings..

[Nebuchadnezer]

unvote vote no lynch let's see what the night brings..

While part of me thinks a run off would be interesting, it is to dangerous at this point. Safari has enough protection to get some results.... vote no lynch

[HotShot53]

before I switch my vote back to the no lynch and end the day, I just want to know if virus plans to kill anyone tonight, and if so, who... I don't want to busdrive the doctor into a vig kill accidentally lol

If I know who saf is investigating, I'll also avoid that person... not sure at this point is there benefit to hiding who you will investigate or not?