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betiko wrote:i have to say i'd be very curious to see what happens if they become independent... a great science lab to see "what would happen if". there are so many provinces in europe fighting for independence, and it has always seemed so dumb. "look what happened to scotland" will be quite interesting; right now I doubt it will be as horrible as some might say or as great as some others think, it's worth testing. Is there turning back?
Catalonia splitting from Spain has great potential to be a prosperous move. To name one potential: they get to drop Spain's disastrous labor regulations which prevents unemployment from falling. The problem is that the Spanish government (IIRC) threatened Catalonia with an economic embargo if it kept thinking about leaving, so there's that cost. In one sense, it's dumb that a central government would want to prohibit regulatory innovation across its provinces, but in another sense it's smart for the central government to reject secession because secession would result in lower central government revenues for Spain's dumb public policies.
UBS, JP morgan and all you want mark catalonia's independence as a high risk factor. Independentist economists claim that the new state, if created, would manage to keep incomes and expenses at the same level; but this is just theorical. This doesn't take into acount possible political decisions such as creating an army or not; and increasing the police force and any other decision to help the state be more "sovereign". Cataluña has a huge public debt towards the spanish state, and it would be interesting to figure out how they would pay it as the conditions would definitely change. This is all economic-fiction; it's hard to predict what would happen with spain, with the EU and with other neighbours. How would the spanish workforce working in spain would react and so forth. It's really not as manichean as that.
pmchugh wrote:It is a campaign tactic to say that they will not accept a currency union, and will be something to bargain with in the post vote negotiations. A currency union is the best thing for both Scotland and the rest of the UK, the British government would be a whole new level of incompetent to reject it.
One alternative would be to have Scotland have its own currency but have it tied to the UK Pound (much like Bermuda has its own currency but is tied to the U.S. Dollar). That way they can have their own currency (and put whatever they want on their bills) without having to worry about loosing trade and commerce from England.
(On second thought ... can you imagine if Scotland went "full Bermuda"? Per their currency to the U.K. pound, eliminate income tax, eliminate corporate income tax, watch all the business from England go "Gault" and move to Scotland. Yea, it really hasn't worked for Bermuda either except for the refinance industry.
pmchugh wrote:It is a campaign tactic to say that they will not accept a currency union, and will be something to bargain with in the post vote negotiations. A currency union is the best thing for both Scotland and the rest of the UK, the British government would be a whole new level of incompetent to reject it.
One alternative would be to have Scotland have its own currency but have it tied to the UK Pound (much like Bermuda has its own currency but is tied to the U.S. Dollar). That way they can have their own currency (and put whatever they want on their bills) without having to worry about loosing trade and commerce from England.
That is pretty much the backup plan. It will be interesting to see it being played out though, I do slightly worry that Westminster are so entrenched in their argument that they would make the wrong choice just to be seen to be tough and not back down.
(On second thought ... can you imagine if Scotland went "full Bermuda"? Per their currency to the U.K. pound, eliminate income tax, eliminate corporate income tax, watch all the business from England go "Gault" and move to Scotland. Yea, it really hasn't worked for Bermuda either except for the refinance industry.
We do seem to have a little bit of hypocrisy in the yes camp with regards to taxation. The yes camp like to put forward that they will have a more just and fair society, but it is almost certain we will lower corporation tax to incentivise businesses to come north of the border. Although not to 0%
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I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.
--Andy
someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back
God can judge my enemies, i will arrange the meeting.
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.
--Andy
someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.
--Andy
someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back
That was me!
i would of bought it,if was under a fiver
God can judge my enemies, i will arrange the meeting.
GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians. Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.
--Andy
someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back
My American friend gave me his postal vote in the US election last time around.
GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians. Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.
Bollocks.
Quote the whole post and you should understand the meaning of it... As it is you quoted only what fits you... I never said that Macedonia was populated only by Macedonians, you concluded that by your own. But the same can not be said for Canada which was predominately populated by Native Indians before the arrival of Europeans to Northern America... at least in the last 15 000 years
What I said:
GoranZ wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I bet my computer monitor is bigger than your tv!
I dont watch TV, so technically you are correct...
DoomYoshi wrote:Says the guy from the country with 33% unemployment and an average salary that is below the Canadian poverty line.
What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians. Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians. Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.
Bollocks.
Quote the whole post and you should understand the meaning of it... As it is you quoted only what fits you... I never said that Macedonia was populated only by Macedonians, you concluded that by your own. But the same can not be said for Canada which was predominately populated by Native Indians before the arrival of Europeans to Northern America... at least in the last 15 000 years
What I said:
GoranZ wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I bet my computer monitor is bigger than your tv!
I dont watch TV, so technically you are correct...
DoomYoshi wrote:Says the guy from the country with 33% unemployment and an average salary that is below the Canadian poverty line.
What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians. Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.
Just to let everyone know, I received a divine message last night about the possibility of Scottish Independence. Based on the outcome of the vote, we'll know if I am some sort of primate prophet.
Serbia wrote:Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.
Bollocks.
Well I didn't expected that you could understand... considering the nickname you have chosen and sharing similar views with regular Serbs. You are no different than Jew who adores the Nazis.
AndyDufresne wrote:Just to let everyone know, I received a divine message last night about the possibility of Scottish Independence. Based on the outcome of the vote, we'll know if I am some sort of primate prophet.
--Andy
so what was the message... bananas with Scottish flag or with British flag
P.S. Bananas are imported... I bet even the flag is imported(bloody Chinese they have their hands everywhere, even in your dream )
voted first thing this morning,whole place is buzzing,nobody has a clue what way its going to go,shame about the andy murray thing though,relay hoping theres no trouble
God can judge my enemies, i will arrange the meeting.
Serbia wrote:Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.
Bollocks.
Well I didn't expected that you could understand... considering the nickname you have chosen and sharing similar views with regular Serbs. You are no different than Jew who adores the Nazis.
Best reply ever!
You guys need to settle this with a DICES AT DAWN game on Balkan Peninsula. Winner gets a ticket to the Platinum Lounge!!!!
