[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[Streaker]

Wing, we lynch rose over tim or vice versa today?

Tim.

It takes a lot of coincidences for Rose to be mafia. Mitch's investigation has to have been misdirected, which is massive coincidence for one night. Rose may just be making simple mistakes.

Agreed. Though Tim flipping mafia doesn't exactly give Rose town credit, in fact Tim's backing up of Rose in the heat of battle would in that case smell of a 'not so experienced' scummate coming to the rescue.

Rose, would you be willing to lynch Tim?

[TimWoodbury]

with how WCG was talking the last few posts he has jumped up on my unreliable skumdar i know me you and mitch are town so leaves a bunch more to pick from

How do YOU know rose is town?

im going off bealiving mitches claim of cop and he investigated rose are yall not reading any of mitches posts...

[TimWoodbury]

okay lynch me im a vanilla townie anyways so im useless to the game from a role stanpoint keep theimportant ones alive im fine ith that

[TimWoodbury]

and streak when i flip town you just put a huge bullseye on your head saying kill me kill me... both you and wing ARE skum

[madmitch]

First of all unvote cyan I think it is just a lack of game playing for his posts but at least he is posting.Where is Kratos? he has not said a thing since day1 .streaker and twr both seem to have tunnel vision with each other at the end of the tunnel which is sad because I know one is town and am pretty sure the other one is also I also think wing and sausage is town also. Pixar has vanished , PT has been busy,but tim you have been suspicious as hell, sorry pal I just don't like your posts, you keep saying you know me you and twr rose is town but I have no proof that you are town. I trying to decide who to vote you or Kratos who has not said a word since Dakky died. give me and everyone else a good reason not to vote for you tim.

[Endgame422]

Official Vote Count
Cyanineeter(3)ragian,streaker,pixar
WingCmdr(2)thewhiterose,TimWoodbury
Timwoodbury(1)Wing
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is november 6th

[kratos644]

Sorry I went MIA. Had a really busy week, I will read up on everything and get involved again

[*Pixar*]

long halloween weekend as well, will read up tomorrow

[the white rose]

At the beginning of D2, I had a slight scum read on wing. With Tim's posts, it has become clear that White Rose and Time are 2 scum, wing is town.

How has it become clear that i am scum?

how do you explain mitch's investigation of me?

[Streaker]

okay lynch me im a vanilla townie anyways so im useless to the game from a role stanpoint keep theimportant ones alive im fine ith that

Tim, vanilla townies are probably THE most important role in this game. They get to push cases like crazy, as it won't matter that attention is drawn to them. They get to stirr shit up. They don't have to worry about balancing their act, so they don't get NK'd by scum. They get to protect more important power roles.

Further, there are 0 votes on you yet you feel you need to claim? This is a game about discussions, stop hiding behind power roles and claims and shit.

Tim, one more thing, READ MY POSTS. A result from a cop can get skewed by a godfather, busdriver, redirector, framer and a bunch of other power roles. It's there because this game is NOT called 'follow the cop'. Don't assume anything, trust your reads instead of unconfirmed power roles.

Last 3 pages have completely shifted my reads in this game.
Rose, can you just explain why you chose to lynch dakky at that time, instead of pushing for an actual role claim?

Here are my updated thoughts on Rose: I don't see Rose hammering a scummate from L-2, with deadline approaching quickly. The problem here is that Rose played it very deceptively, which takes away any town credit to be gained from lynching scum.
But it was just too big of a bus to be scummate, imo. That, plus a cop report (which can be skewed, but doesn't have to be), completely busts anything I have on Rose.

That brings me around to a single post that wing made on Tim:

@ WHITE ROSE I knew you were joking about the poem and that is why I posted what I did and did not really think you were scum until you jumped all over me and that was after I made the post about Dakky, you are very protective of Dakky he must be your scum mate so you won't like this VOTE DAKKY

hmm mitch thi sounds ALOT like retaliation right here, rose votes you for defending IB then you instantly jump onto the dakky bandwagon and connect it with rose defending him

i would say this makes mitch looks even more suspicious

vote mitch

Tim's sole read D1 was that dakky was town and mitch was scum

Tim's sole read D2 is that Mitch is town.

And he votes Cyan.

Vote TimWoodbury

Bet he flips Mafia Busdriver.

It's a solid post. Rose, what are your thoughts on this?

Fastposted by Rose, Rose please read this post and it should explain yours.

[the white rose]

@Mitch i unvoted because of the last post i hope in the morning tat you have something good to offer or else your my #1 lynch target

but tim unvoted mitch after his soft claim and voted dakky before i did.

D2 he reads mitch as town, which is not unreasonable as no-one has counterclaimed cop. Of course he may not be cop, but it would not be a mistake to accept that claim for now.

my case against you was built upon you accepting a poor claim and my case against wing in that he supported you and tried to get me lynched even though logic dictates that i am more than likely town, as i think you now admit.

so he switches tack and now you go after tim, probably the most vulnerable of townies and the one who you are likely to get more support on.

its not so much that i believe tim to be town, but that you and wing are surely scum, and there must be some townies out there, this is the same reason why i refused to hammer cyan, he may or may not be your scum buddy, but i feel on safer ground lynching either you or wing.

if we lynch wing and he flips town, then i will probably look into tim....but i would be surprised to see wing flip town

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

yah know what wcg ur jsut flat out annoying the piss outa me idk if your trying to get lynched maybe its part of your role idk but vote wingcommander

Tim's first post after me making a case and voting him. This isnt an argument, its just retaliation with no substance.

okay lynch me im a vanilla townie anyways so im useless to the game from a role stanpoint keep theimportant ones alive im fine ith that

Tim has a single vote against him and has claimed in the hope that it will deflect the lynch. This has worked in previous games for Mitch and Dakky. It will not work again.

White Rose - This is why Tim is mafia. Its less that he reads Mitch town, its more that he doesnt have any reads. He is trying to avoid committing to anything so that he doesnt need to renegade on his word later. If you look back you'll see that my first post in this game pointed to Tim and Kratos being mafia. Its on page 10. No tact change at all.

You are correct that until there is evidence of a logical explanation to Mitch Cop read being wrong I cant force a lynch on you.

[Streaker]

@Mitch i unvoted because of the last post i hope in the morning tat you have something good to offer or else your my #1 lynch target

but tim unvoted mitch after his soft claim and voted dakky before i did.

D2 he reads mitch as town, which is not unreasonable as no-one has counterclaimed cop. Of course he may not be cop, but it would not be a mistake to accept that claim for now.

my case against you was built upon you accepting a poor claim and my case against wing in that he supported you and tried to get me lynched even though logic dictates that i am more than likely town, as i think you now admit.

so he switches tack and now you go after tim, probably the most vulnerable of townies and the one who you are likely to get more support on.

its not so much that i believe tim to be town, but that you and wing are surely scum, and there must be some townies out there, this is the same reason why i refused to hammer cyan, he may or may not be your scum buddy, but i feel on safer ground lynching either you or wing.

if we lynch wing and he flips town, then i will probably look into tim....but i would be surprised to see wing flip town

I'm not going after Tim, as far as you know. If you read my previous post, you know that I'm coming around on you. It does indeed not make sense for a townie to hammer in that position.

However facts are facts, and Tim:

-Is going crazy with minimal pressure on him
-Is being erratic with his reads and votes
-Did a HUGE omgus on wing

How do you think about this, rose? And please, this time no beating around the bushes.

[the white rose]

thanks for those clarifications

now what do you want me to say?

you want me to admit to being godfather? well i could, but i am not the godfather, all this talk of wifom is confusing me.
<snipped for brevity>
if you really believe that i am a double voting godfather who has just lynched a scum mate then go ahead and lynch me, you will have mafia laughing all night long.

sometimes you know a spade is just a spade and wifom means you are enjoying a glass of wine with your dinner.

this is really sounding like me in my 1st game where sum was pushing me super hard i was saying anything and everything +1 for twr 100% townie to me now

sounds like a read to me....and a pretty accurate one if i may be so bold to say

[Streaker]

Rose, I put up 3 distinct items on Tim. What are your thoughts on them?

[the white rose]

However facts are facts, and Tim:

-Is going crazy with minimal pressure on him
-Is being erratic with his reads and votes
-Did a HUGE omgus on wing

How do you think about this, rose? And please, this time no beating around the bushes.

thats as maybe, but none of those traits would suggest scum anymore than it would town. Tim accepts mitch as cop and thus me as town, discounting the extremely unlikely option that there may be a bus driver.

meanwhile wing is bending over backwards to make a case against me, now he realises that he cannot lynch me so switches to tim....you too went crazy when i pressured you, claiming me to me godfather in the worlds biggest OMGUS post. now you say you think i am town, if thats not erratic reads, don't know what is.

your recent posts have been making me reconsider your scumminess, but there is no way of getting over your bizarre sounds legit post when unvoting dakky at what you thought was l-1, was it a genuine misread? doesn't seem likely at all to me.

[Streaker]

However facts are facts, and Tim:

-Is going crazy with minimal pressure on him
-Is being erratic with his reads and votes
-Did a HUGE omgus on wing

How do you think about this, rose? And please, this time no beating around the bushes.

thats as maybe, but none of those traits would suggest scum anymore than it would town. Tim accepts mitch as cop and thus me as town, discounting the extremely unlikely option that there may be a bus driver.

meanwhile wing is bending over backwards to make a case against me, now he realises that he cannot lynch me so switches to tim....you too went crazy when i pressured you, claiming me to me godfather in the worlds biggest OMGUS post. now you say you think i am town, if thats not erratic reads, don't know what is.

your recent posts have been making me reconsider your scumminess, but there is no way of getting over your bizarre sounds legit post when unvoting dakky at what you thought was l-1, was it a genuine misread? doesn't seem likely at all to me.

For now, let's ignore the fact that I made a misread on dakky.
Do you really consider those traits equally town as scummy?

I didn't go crazy with your push on me, I stayed calm and tried to explain everything. And that was with you bending over backwards making a case on me

There is considerable less pressure on Tim.
My coming around with my reads is not erratic, it is all explained. There was also new information that made me reconsider. I don't see that as erratic. When I pushed, I voted in lign with my case. That's not erratic.

Tim's reaction to pressure was way more then any townie should feel if they have a clear consience. Please take a moment to look back at Tim's responsed to what was very little pressure and tell me again, you feel that was a town reaction.

[the white rose]

no, that does not follow at all. in the last game, he was the same, got lynched and flipped cop.

not saying he is definitely town, but there is no evidence to suggest he is scum. He has accepted mitch's claim in light of no couunterclaim and therefore accepted me as 100% town as well.

ragian pushed dakky hard and was instrumental in getting him lynched, that makes him more town to me.

so its a matter of either you and wing being scum buddies or looking at the inactives.

Its stramge that the only 2 mistakes have come from both you and wing, seems you are as thick as thieves together.

of course i may be wrong, but all the evidence points to you and wing being scum buddies and no amount of talking now is gonna convince me otherwise.

so, while there is a chance of lynching you or wing i will not be voting for anyone else.

[Streaker]

We need a LOT more input from ptlowe, whatsausage, pixar, kratos, cyaniteer. Also it would be very helpfull to get Ragian in here and have his thoughts on the matters. If anything, Ragian is my biggest town read.

[the white rose]

yeah can't argue with you there

[madmitch]

I really enjoy the postings between TWR and Streaker. Both of you have very valid points and I also know that Tim has said that he believes that I am the cop and believes TWR is town also but how does his belief make him town? It is nice to finally hear from someone else.

[the white rose]

like i said mitch, anyone of us could be scum, even you. maybe there is no counterclaim cos there is no cop or maybe cop wants to stay hidden for now...its a matter of balancing the probabilities, how probable is it that you are lying? how probable is it that streaker made a fatal mistake accepting dakky's bogus claim so quickly and without question...how probable is it that wing is right and tim is the bus driver who switched me and i am indeed a mafia doublevoter who lynched dakky to avert suspicion...which is more likely?

for me, streaker's mistake coupled with wing's obsession suggesting that against all the odds i am scum seems more likely to me, so that is what i am going for. i do not believe tim is the bus driver, but he could be mafia, nothing to suggest otherwise except that streaker and wing are much more likely to be scum.

what do you and others think is the most likely?

[Streaker]

like i said mitch, anyone of us could be scum, even you. maybe there is no counterclaim cos there is no cop or maybe cop wants to stay hidden for now...its a matter of balancing the probabilities, how probable is it that you are lying? how probable is it that streaker made a fatal mistake accepting dakky's bogus claim so quickly and without question...how probable is it that wing is right and tim is the bus driver who switched me and i am indeed a mafia doublevoter who lynched dakky to avert suspicion...which is more likely?

for me, streaker's mistake coupled with wing's obsession suggesting that against all the odds i am scum seems more likely to me, so that is what i am going for. i do not believe tim is the bus driver, but he could be mafia, nothing to suggest otherwise except that streaker and wing are much more likely to be scum.

what do you and others think is the most likely?

I'm tempted to follow wing's lead and hang Tim. It's a good case on him, and I didn't like the way Tim responded.

[madmitch]

@ TWR you will go crazy if you try to analyze every post, some times it is just a gut feeling.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

how probable is it that wing is right and tim is the bus driver who switched me and i am indeed a mafia doublevoter who lynched dakky to avert suspicion...which is more likely?

Lets be clear here, I am only dealing with the probability of Tim being mafia. The rest we will deal with if someone flips busdriver. Its not me rolling all these things into one. I am dealing solely with the likelihood that Tim is mafia, and I think this is very high.