A tragic day

[saxitoxin]

U.S. President Donald Trump, a few minutes ago, strongly suggested the UK appoint Nigel Farage as ambassador to him -



Theresa May will be well served to do what she's told over the next four years if she knows what's good for her.

Re-foed

[saxitoxin]

So more news has emerged about the Nigel Farage thing. Apparently the current British ambassador, Kim Darroch, sent a memo to May the day after the election that said Trump could be influenced by the British government. The memo was "leaked."

Trump then suggests Nigel Farage should be appointed ambassador without mentioning the memo.

Kim Darroch has been urgently recalled to London for consultations and the Telegraph has called for him to be sacked.

IOW, British career diplomats thought they were clever by plotting and sniveling in the shadows that they could "influence" Trump; without missing a beat Trump turned the tables to show them whose daddy; he fired a shell straight into Whitehall that's left them all scrambling.

[mookiemcgee]

So more news has emerged about the Nigel Farage thing. Apparently the current British ambassador, Kim Darroch, sent a memo to May the day after the election that said Trump could be influenced by the British government. The memo was "leaked."

Trump then suggests Nigel Farage should be appointed ambassador without mentioning the memo.

Kim Darroch has been urgently recalled to London for consultations and the Telegraph has called for him to be sacked.

IOW, British career diplomats thought they were clever by plotting and sniveling in the shadows that they could "influence" Trump; without missing a beat Trump turned the tables to show them whose daddy; he fired a shell straight into Whitehall that's left them all scrambling.

How stupid, they should have know it's only Russia that has a puppeteers hand up the donalds ass.

[mrswdk]

My favorite leak of the past week was the one where a partner at Deloitte wrote to No 10 telling the UK Government it had no plan for Brexit, didn't look in control and needed an extra 200-300,000 staff to implement Brexit, and someone sent the memo straight to the newspapers.

Theresa May, got those ministers on lockdown!

[saxitoxin]

The President's Thanksgiving declaration gets re-tweeted 552 times.

The President-Elect's Thanksgiving declaration gets re-tweeted 18,000 times.

[BoganGod]

The President's Thanksgiving declaration gets re-tweeted 552 times.

The President-Elect's Thanksgiving declaration gets re-tweeted 18,000 times.

[PLAYER57832]

This is a sad day for humanity... after the UK voting for the brexit, USA has chosen Trump. If in 2017 france votes Le Pen, it will be official... idiots are the majority. Uneducated fools who just want a change and are ok to try their own shit just to change.

Well, the real trouble is that most of the world is now getting their "information" via the internet.

There used to be a few general sources of information that most everyone was at least aware of. No longer. Now, if you happen to be a vegan, hunting-hater you won't see anything from those who eat meat and hunt. If you do, its likely to be the most obnoxious and unreliable sites, sites that are likely designed by vegans/anti-hunting folks to try and present "the other side". EXCEPT -- it really is not.

You here are absolutely no exception. It has been some time since I posted herein, and the reason is plain and simply just that.. too many of you here post without even verifying your information.

this PARTICULARLY true for very controversial topics.

I cite 2 specifics... a thread where someone (cannot remember who) claimed to have "proof" that plants were sentient. When questioned, the poster got irate and claimed that I "was not reading the links".. except I very much had, or at least tried (not all the links were valid or public).

an even more controversial example is abortion. Follow just about EVERY reference to its end, and you find that almost all of the real data out there is based on one single study. Folks who want it illegal cite that study, folks who want it legal do as well, and all claim that the study backs what they say!!!!! The real truth is that few if any actually read the original documents.

when I have pointed this out, I was simply told "we don't have time"

Opinions are great. Everyone is entitled to think differently, but unless you are willing to actually LISTEN and TALK to people who actually disagree with you.. and I mean really and truly disagree, then you are nothing but a blind fanatic. You have no idea what anybody else REALLY thinks unless you actually talk to them. Viewing blogs that claim to present "both sides" will NOT do it. For one thing, most legitimate issue have many sides, and many real and true basis for each side. Unless you are willing to take the time to really and truly VERIFY what you consider to be a fact, and to check that your opinions are not based no erroneous information, then you are an ignorant idiot swayed by whatever trend you find attractive, not a real, thinking and intelligent person adding to this world.

Be ready to be really hated everywhere in the world americans. The W bush years were nothing compared to Trump.. I would recommend you to stay in your country now.. that sucks because if you travel that means you are a victim and not one of these asshat hillbillie trump voter.

Yeah, because you are such an elightened and intelligent individual... condemning a whole country because you dislike a leader... a leader who did not even win the majority of the vote (did win electoral college, is president, but not by majority vote).

I did NOT vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Bush. I still believe in my country, though I am saddened by the election results.

I ALSO recognize that each and every one of us is responsible. Either we are part of the solution or the problem.

Go f*ck yourself america. I am deeply disapointed by you.

I see.

Now put down a list of all you have done today to make this a better world... then maybe we can talk. Actually, I will talk regardless, but if you want anything more than disdain... you had best do better.

[riskllama]

nice to see you again, PLAYER...*waves*

[BoganGod]

Bah, Humbug. Truth, lies, and edited video tapes. The rainbow jesus is sad. Very Sad.

Do better America, Do better world.

The gay coloured jesus

[Falkomagno]

remain strong Player!

[Phatscotty]

Yeah yeah player, one exception though to people here not being informed or not verifying there sources. That would be in the Obamacare thread...
Don't MAKE me bump it

[mrswdk]

put down a list of all you have done today to make this a better world... then maybe we can talk. Actually, I will talk regardless

lol. Yup, sounds like PLAYER.

[saxitoxin]

Love that Trump (a) invoked the imperial We and Our to announce his appointment of Mad Dog Mattis as Secretary of Defense, (b) did it at a Party Mass Rally -

[mrswdk]

Love that he's appointed someone nicknamed 'Mad Dog' full stop.

He's either a bad ass sonuvabitch, or he's wise like Dumbledore (who appointed a professor named 'Mad Eye').

[saxitoxin]

Love that he's appointed someone nicknamed 'Mad Dog' full stop.

He's either a bad ass sonuvabitch, or he's wise like Dumbledore (who appointed a professor named 'Mad Eye').

[saxitoxin]

A top union leader lashed out at AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka for sending out an endorsement ballot for chair of the Democratic National Committee that listed the name of only one candidate.

"A single name on the ballot more resembles an attempt at a coronation in a totalitarian regime rather than an election within the House of Labor," Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, wrote in an email to Trumka sent late Wednesday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/f ... air-232070

[Symmetry]

Love that he's appointed someone nicknamed 'Mad Dog' full stop.

He's either a bad ass sonuvabitch, or he's wise like Dumbledore (who appointed a professor named 'Mad Eye').

Didn't that just turn out to be Dr Who in disguise? I'm all for it, if so.

[warmonger1981]

Ellison sucks. He's an extremist in sheep's clothing.

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah yeah player, one exception though to people here not being informed or not verifying there sources. That would be in the Obamacare thread...
Don't MAKE me bump it

Are you implying I made an error? No argument.

Are you arguing that YOUR record of verification even comes close to matching mine? No argument there, except from you and a few of your supporters.

Sorry, but YOU don't have a leg to stand on... and if you wish to bump, try the many threads on welfare reform, healthcare, abortion, etc, etc, etc. I will hold out my record for not just veracity, but absolutely for verifying information over yours.

You are allowed to disagree. You are NOT allowed to pick and chose who you cite, without regard to veracity. Period! Truth is not about what you like and dislike. AND that includes picking out choice facts while ignoring others to better "present your case". There is no "case", no "opinion" to truth. Opinions hold where there is no verifiable fundamental fact.

[Woodruff]

Loved that post, Patches - I have to admit it was funny.

That being said, I genuinely don't understand all of the angst over Trump being elected. Did I personally vote for him? Well, those of you that remember me know there wasn't much chance of that (I didn't vote for Hillary either...I held my nose and voted for Johnson).

But there are a number of reasons to believe that President Trump isn't really going to mirror Candidate Trump. I'm willing to give it a wait-and-see approach.

Oh my fucking God, was I mistaken. That's all I have to say.

[thegreekdog]

Woodruff!
Player!

I just skimmed through this thread and I just wanted to remind our non-US friends before they continue to make stupid generalizations about the American populace of the following statistics:


Total people in the US - 300,000,000 (approximate)
Total voters - 136,607,788 (approximate) or 45.5% of the total population
Hillary Clinton - 65,844,954 votes (48.2% of the total voters or 21.9% of the total population)
Donald Trump - 62,979,879 votes (46.1% of the total voters or 20.9% of the total population)

So, foreign friends, when you rail against the stupidity of the US people for electing Donald Trump, please keep in mind that approximately 48% of voters and 22% of the population voted for Hillary Clinton (basically a pro-choice Republican) and 46% of voters and 21% of the population voted for Donald Trump (basically a pro-worker hawk). Such low percentages (22% and 21%) don't even fit the definition of a generalization.

I also ask you for some introspection, foreign friends, in light of these numbers... how stupid you must be to make such a broad generalization about Americans.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/ ... nal-count/

[mrswdk]

Total voters - 136,607,788 (approximate) or 45.5% of the total population

A quick Google tells me that out of the number of people in America who are allowed to vote, the proportion who actually bother to do so has struggled to even reach 60% for most of the past 100 years. Every four years, like clockwork, 40-50% of the population decide that trying to have a say on how they are governed is so futile that, even when explicitly asked to give their input, they might as well not bother.

I guess we can strike 'model of government' off the list of things that the American propaganda machine gets to demonize China about with a straight face.

[KoolBak]

Bet that post gave ya wood, dinnit, China-boy?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Woodruff!
Player!

I just skimmed through this thread and I just wanted to remind our non-US friends before they continue to make stupid generalizations about the American populace of the following statistics:


Total people in the US - 300,000,000 (approximate)
Total voters - 136,607,788 (approximate) or 45.5% of the total population
Hillary Clinton - 65,844,954 votes (48.2% of the total voters or 21.9% of the total population)
Donald Trump - 62,979,879 votes (46.1% of the total voters or 20.9% of the total population)

So, foreign friends, when you rail against the stupidity of the US people for electing Donald Trump, please keep in mind that approximately 48% of voters and 22% of the population voted for Hillary Clinton (basically a pro-choice Republican) and 46% of voters and 21% of the population voted for Donald Trump (basically a pro-worker hawk). Such low percentages (22% and 21%) don't even fit the definition of a generalization.

I also ask you for some introspection, foreign friends, in light of these numbers... how stupid you must be to make such a broad generalization about Americans.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/ ... nal-count/

By that metric one could argue that the rest of the eligible voting population was just as stupid by not voting and thus allowing Trump to win.

Of course, we both know that's not the case, as it would always be a choice between blue and red, but yeah...

-TG

[thegreekdog]

Woodruff!
Player!

I just skimmed through this thread and I just wanted to remind our non-US friends before they continue to make stupid generalizations about the American populace of the following statistics:


Total people in the US - 300,000,000 (approximate)
Total voters - 136,607,788 (approximate) or 45.5% of the total population
Hillary Clinton - 65,844,954 votes (48.2% of the total voters or 21.9% of the total population)
Donald Trump - 62,979,879 votes (46.1% of the total voters or 20.9% of the total population)

So, foreign friends, when you rail against the stupidity of the US people for electing Donald Trump, please keep in mind that approximately 48% of voters and 22% of the population voted for Hillary Clinton (basically a pro-choice Republican) and 46% of voters and 21% of the population voted for Donald Trump (basically a pro-worker hawk). Such low percentages (22% and 21%) don't even fit the definition of a generalization.

I also ask you for some introspection, foreign friends, in light of these numbers... how stupid you must be to make such a broad generalization about Americans.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/ ... nal-count/

By that metric one could argue that the rest of the eligible voting population was just as stupid by not voting and thus allowing Trump to win.

Of course, we both know that's not the case, as it would always be a choice between blue and red, but yeah...

-TG

Yeah it's disappointing but not too disappointing since those people would likely have chose Red or Blue.

That being said, I wonder what our foreign friends would be complaining about vis-a-vis President Hillary Clinton? I have some thoughts:

"You fuckers are invading [insert country with a majority of non-white people]? What the f*ck!"
"You fuckers have a cabinet full of [insert term for businesspeople or rich people]? What the f*ck!"
"You fuckers are getting rid of trade agreements? What the f*ck!"

I would say someone should write an alternate history of the Hillary Clinton administration, but seems like it would not be that much different than what we're going to see over the next four years (other than the tweets, anger over tweets, protests by the Blue Team, and insults hurled at foreign dignatories (President Clinton probably more likely to hurl bombs, not insults)).